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More question on Cataloging using different character set (Arabic, Chinese & etc.)
by Amzari Abu Bakar 01 Mar '06

01 Mar '06

Hi everybody, I have a little background in cataloging. I am an ex-librarian (in charge in Library Automation). Thus, my concern on ability of the system esp. Koha. For almost a year I have been following Koha, do a part time testing, finding the best way of implementing Koha in different environment. (Maybe if libraries in Malaysia want an Open Source Solution, I can recommend Koha). I am following current discussions on cataloging materials in different character set (e.g: Chinese pinyin). It's come to my attention that tags 880 have something todo with this (by the way, I am still learning cataloging). My concern is, how to catalog Arabic Materials. My question as follows (Assume these questions from beginner level cataloger): 1. What should I add in my MARC structure, Links to other fields and etc? 2. Must I modify Koha scripts in order to enable presentation different character set? ( I have tried copying arabic word, put on tag 245 and I have problems of displaying these character. Character not show up properly, even though I set my browser Encoding to Arabic character set). 3. Can I directly catalog in native language (eg: Arabic) in tags other than tag 880-Not using transliteration. Example tag 245. If can, how? -Maybe related to question no.2 (In this case patrons have to search using arabic words). Thanks in advance for your kind response. Amzari Abu Bakar Lecturer International Islamic University Malaysia. --- koha-request(a)lists.katipo.co.nz wrote: > Send Koha mailing list submissions to > koha(a)lists.katipo.co.nz > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, > visit > http://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha > or, via email, send a message with subject or body > 'help' to > koha-request(a)lists.katipo.co.nz > > You can reach the person managing the list at > koha-owner(a)lists.katipo.co.nz > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it > is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Koha digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Re: [Koha-win32] Re: [Koha] Tag 880 (Carol > Ku) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 11:08:59 -0800 (PST) > From: Carol Ku <carolcool01(a)yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: Re: [Koha-win32] Re: [Koha] Tag 880 > To: Joshua Ferraro <jmf(a)liblime.com> > Cc: Koha Mailing List <koha(a)lists.katipo.co.nz>, > Koha Windows > <koha-win32(a)nongnu.org>, "Steven F. Baljkas" > <baljkas(a)mts.net> > Message-ID: > <20060225190859.61521.qmail(a)web54510.mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > So if we were to download books directly from other > libraries... it may involve lots of record code > editing, as all the Chinese info in other libraries > will be entered into tag 880. > > e.g. 100 Author name in pinyin > 245 Author name in pinyin > 880 $6100 Author name in chinese > 880 $6245 Title name in Chinese > > With the MARC record downloaded, I wonder if I can > swap the information in tag 880 $6100 with that of > tag 100, so that when I upload the record into Koha, > OPAC will display the author name in Chinese instead > of pinyin. > > I suspect MARCEdit will not be able to recognize > the $6 link. So I cannot designate the info at tag > 100 to be swapped with info at tag 880$100 and not > say 880$245. > > Anyway, Joshua, you have been of a great help. > Thank you. > > Carol > Joshua Ferraro <jmf(a)liblime.com> wrote: > On Sat, Feb 25, 2006 at 09:39:43AM -0800, Carol Ku > wrote: > > Joshua: > > You are wonderful!!! You mention you used the Koha > MARC edit in catalogue, > > that means you manually enter the Chinese books in > koha catalogue, and not > > download the record from some libraries? > Yep, that's right. So long as you have UTF-8 set up > correctly, you can input > as well as display any utf-8 you want in Koha. > > Now, let me warn you that the Koha MARC editor is > still not perfect > and I would still recommend you use an external MARC > editor if that > has been your cataloging practice thusfar. You > should be able to set > it up to handle a repeatable 900, 945, etc. tag, > with the appropriate > subfields to handle the transcriptions (don't limit > yourself to just > the title/author, feel free to include any others > you want). So long > as you set up your MARC Framework to handle the 9XX > fields and link > to them via the search points (ie 245a will need a > 'search also' > entry for '945a','945c' (and you might as well put > '245c' in there > while you're at it)), it will work without having to > use Koha's > editor. If you need more specific implementation > details let me > know. > > > Pardon me if this question appears to be silly. > But your input is > > very helpful still. > No question is silly :-). I'm glad I could be of > some help. > > Sincerely, > > -- > Joshua Ferraro VENDOR SERVICES FOR OPEN-SOURCE > SOFTWARE > President, Technology migration, training, > maintenance, support > LibLime Featuring Koha Open-Source ILS > jmf(a)liblime.com |Full Demos at > http://liblime.com/koha |1(888)KohaILS > > > > --------------------------------- > Brings words and photos together (easily) with > PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. >

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Re: [Koha] New to KOHA
by BWS Johnson 01 Mar '06

01 Mar '06

Salve! >Also, I don't know that you need to have an easy MARC record per se: by that, >I think you mean a record with just certain core fields, right? When would >*you* (your library system) not want a complete MARC record? There are always >the distinctions between 1st level and 3rd level description (nobody expects >that you would do 3rd for everything ... I hope! If so, push for a pay >increase ;-D). > I'd agree that it's better to have too many MARC tags visible than too few. The neat thing about the harrowing setup of the parameters is that you may select which tag shows where. When I set up my tags, I put the absolutely crucial stuff on the first tab. If my clerks never made it to the next tab, no big deal :) Cheers, Brooke @ Hinsdale MA

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Z39.50 daemon
by vimal kumar 28 Feb '06

28 Feb '06

Dear Koha Users, When I try to start Z39.50 daemon using following command with root power, # cd /usr/local/koha/intranet/scripts/z3950daemon # ./z3950-daemon-launch.sh I got the following message, # This account is currently not available. Why it hesistate to start and how can I launch this daemon? Vimal Kumar Asian School of Business Technopark Trivandrum-695 581 vimal0212(a)yahoo.com --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments.

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Re: Koha and LDAP
by KL Nasveschuk 28 Feb '06

28 Feb '06

Yes, work fine. Kent On Mon, 2006-02-27 at 16:50 -0600, Mark Flach wrote: > Did you ever get LDAP and Koha working? > > Mark Flach >

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Re: [Koha] New to KOHA
by Steven F.Baljkas 28 Feb '06

28 Feb '06

Monday, February 27, 2006 20:52 CST Hi, Marie, Just one quick notendum, as I know you have received useful responses on the more germane matters from Stephen, Joshua, et al, already ... > From: "Marie Wardall" <mwardall(a)dce.k12.wi.us> > Date: 2006/02/26 Sun PM 02:01:21 CST > To: <koha(a)lists.katipo.co.nz> > Subject: [Koha] New to KOHA > > Our school district is building a new K-5 building to open in the fall and we > are looking into opening the library using KOHA. I will be the librarian in > the new building and have been looking into and trying things out in the KOHA > demo. Our new school would be the pilot school for KOHA in the district and > if things went well then it would be implemented throughout the district. > [snip] > > *One last thing for now, as I am sure I will have others as I investigate > more and am able to work through the setting up of the system preferences, is > that in the Cataloging on the demo there is a Default MARC record framework > and a Test MARC record framework I could choose from. I'm thinking I could > set up different frameworks here for the different types of materials that I > catalog such as book, video, DVD, CD, equipment and an easy MARC for when I > don't need or want a complete MARC record. Once I set up those different > MARC frameworks when I would catalog I could just choose the framework and > put in the information that was needed for that type of material or > item...right? Just a vocabulary suggestion here, really; since many ILS and cataloguers would refer to them as such, we may want to stick with the term 'template' for different set-ups to catalogue different material types (especially). Also, I don't know that you need to have an easy MARC record per se: by that, I think you mean a record with just certain core fields, right? When would *you* (your library system) not want a complete MARC record? There are always the distinctions between 1st level and 3rd level description (nobody expects that you would do 3rd for everything ... I hope! If so, push for a pay increase ;-D). You do realise that you do not have to have all fields represented for a record to be a valid MARC record. It is perfectly valid, for example, to decide that, for certain kinds of materials, certain fields are omitted. Many school libraries don't subject video materials to subject analysis (I personally think that a mistake, but hey, I'm a cataloguer) or decide that maps, globes and posters get 1st level description where books and videos get 2nd. I don't think even LC uses 3rd level for everything. IIRC, Follett, among many others (Sagebrush, Mandarin), makes reference to easy MARC records to mean quickie records created when something new pops up or just as often, when the ILS has mysteriously lost an item ;-). If that is what you are worried about, Marie, I think you may find it is less a concern with Koha than with most ILS. In fact, I cannot remember anyone ever noting/complaining about Koha losing records in the nearly 4 years I have followed the listserv faithfully. Good luck with your migration to Koha. Hopefully, it will be a success for you and give impetus to Anne and team in piloting Koha in other Wisconsin schools. Best wishes, Steven F. Baljkas library tech at large Koha neophyte Winnipeg, MB, Canada

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Re: [Koha] New to KOHA
by Marie Wardall 27 Feb '06

27 Feb '06

Yes storing barcodes in a scanner and then dumping them into the circ station is what I mean. We close down the library for two plus days and scan everything in the library for inventory. We run reports against the shelves for missing items that have not been scanned and we can tell then what items were mysteriously lost that year. Marie >>> KL Nasveschuk <klnasveschuk(a)klnconsulting.net> 2/27/2006 11:56 AM >>> Marie, Are you just trying to scan barcodes versus typing in a barcode? We have tested this briefly and it works with Koha. Ex. scan a barcode, pull record from catalog advanced search. I guess what really matters is how it is setup in Koha. If you are looking to store barcodes in the scanner, then download as part of inventory, I don't believe Koha will do that. Someone correct me if I am wrong. Kent On Mon, 2006-02-27 at 08:29 -0600, Marie Wardall wrote: > So the Dolphin Scanners that we have right now that we use for inventory could be re-programmed to work with the KOHA system if we had someone do that for us. Our Network Manager I'm thinking could do this. > > Thanks! > Marie > > Marie J. Wardall > IMC Coordinator > Rothschild Elementary School > 810 First Street > Rothschild, WI 54474 > mwardall(a)dce.k12.wi.us > Phone: 715-359-3186 ext.5424 > FAX: 715-355-3723 > Fate gives us the hand, and we play the cards. > Arthur Schopenhauer > > >>> "Stephen Hedges" <shedges(a)skemotah.com> 2/26/2006 3:06 PM >>> > Marie Wardall said: > [...] > > *Barcodes-Our current barcodes are 5 digits long with a leading T for a > > material barcode and a leading P for a patron barcode. > > Joshua noted that Nelsonville Public Library still uses the Follett patron > barcodes, so I can give you some extra information here. > > Follett uses Interleaved 2-of-5 symbology in their barcodes, but the > scanned codes are then manipulated by their system so the user only sees a > "T" or a "P" and no more than five digits. If you scan these barcodes > with a non-Follett scanner in a text editor, you will see that the > barcodes are actually always 10 digits long: the visible digits (no "T" > or "P") with leading zeros to pad the number to 7 digits, plus three more > digits that tell the Follett software a little more about the barcode > (such as if it is a "T"itle or a "P"atron barcode). For example, if the > Follet library card had the number "P 1234" printed on it, an > off-the-shelf scanner would read something like "0001234999." > > Most vendors of barcode scanners know how to program their products for > Follett systems, so they can sell to schools that use Follett. Those same > vendors can help you program your scanners to simply remove the last three > digits. Then the barcode example above would look like "0001234" when > scanned into Koha. Staff quickly get used to making this conversion in > their heads if they need to type in a number manually. Works fine. (But > don't expect the Follett folks to help you with the scanner programming, > of course!) >

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Re: [Koha] New to KOHA
by Marie Wardall 27 Feb '06

27 Feb '06

So the Dolphin Scanners that we have right now that we use for inventory could be re-programmed to work with the KOHA system if we had someone do that for us. Our Network Manager I'm thinking could do this. Thanks! Marie Marie J. Wardall IMC Coordinator Rothschild Elementary School 810 First Street Rothschild, WI 54474 mwardall(a)dce.k12.wi.us Phone: 715-359-3186 ext.5424 FAX: 715-355-3723 Fate gives us the hand, and we play the cards. Arthur Schopenhauer >>> "Stephen Hedges" <shedges(a)skemotah.com> 2/26/2006 3:06 PM >>> Marie Wardall said: [...] > *Barcodes-Our current barcodes are 5 digits long with a leading T for a > material barcode and a leading P for a patron barcode. Joshua noted that Nelsonville Public Library still uses the Follett patron barcodes, so I can give you some extra information here. Follett uses Interleaved 2-of-5 symbology in their barcodes, but the scanned codes are then manipulated by their system so the user only sees a "T" or a "P" and no more than five digits. If you scan these barcodes with a non-Follett scanner in a text editor, you will see that the barcodes are actually always 10 digits long: the visible digits (no "T" or "P") with leading zeros to pad the number to 7 digits, plus three more digits that tell the Follett software a little more about the barcode (such as if it is a "T"itle or a "P"atron barcode). For example, if the Follet library card had the number "P 1234" printed on it, an off-the-shelf scanner would read something like "0001234999." Most vendors of barcode scanners know how to program their products for Follett systems, so they can sell to schools that use Follett. Those same vendors can help you program your scanners to simply remove the last three digits. Then the barcode example above would look like "0001234" when scanned into Koha. Staff quickly get used to making this conversion in their heads if they need to type in a number manually. Works fine. (But don't expect the Follett folks to help you with the scanner programming, of course!) -- Stephen Hedges Skemotah Solutions, USA www.skemotah.com -- shedges(a)skemotah.com

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Re: [Koha] New to KOHA
by Stephen Hedges 27 Feb '06

27 Feb '06

Marie Wardall said: > So the Dolphin Scanners that we have right now that we use for inventory > could be re-programmed to work with the KOHA system if we had someone do > that for us. Our Network Manager I'm thinking could do this. So those are actually handheld computers, right? That's much fancier hardware than I'm used to using. Usually a standard barcode scanner (unless it's a very cheap one) can be programmed by scanning a series of special barcodes. The trick is finding the programming manual -- but most are available online. Stephen -- Stephen Hedges Skemotah Solutions, USA www.skemotah.com -- shedges(a)skemotah.com

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I can connect to Koha locally, but not from another machine
by Craig Andersen 27 Feb '06

27 Feb '06

I can connect and use Koha locally, either by using http://machinename or by http://127.0.0.1 and it works fine. If I try to connect to it using http:/IPaddress or http://machine name from another machine I get following error: NOT FOUND the requested URL/ was not found on this server. I checked the Apache error log which showed: [error] [client ipaddress] file does not exist /htdocs If I type the ip address into the browser on the server, rather than http://127.0.0.1 I get the Not Found error. I'm at a loss. When I first installed Koha I'm pretty sure that I was able to connect to it from another machine, but now when I'm ready to start testing some things out, it seems to get lost after connecting to the apache server. I'm using Firebox to connect. Same thing happens with IE. The server is running Debian Sarge and apache2. Any ideas or help would be appreciated Thanks in advance Craig

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Re: [Koha] New to KOHA
by Stephen Hedges 27 Feb '06

27 Feb '06

Marie Wardall said: [...] > *Barcodes-Our current barcodes are 5 digits long with a leading T for a > material barcode and a leading P for a patron barcode. Joshua noted that Nelsonville Public Library still uses the Follett patron barcodes, so I can give you some extra information here. Follett uses Interleaved 2-of-5 symbology in their barcodes, but the scanned codes are then manipulated by their system so the user only sees a "T" or a "P" and no more than five digits. If you scan these barcodes with a non-Follett scanner in a text editor, you will see that the barcodes are actually always 10 digits long: the visible digits (no "T" or "P") with leading zeros to pad the number to 7 digits, plus three more digits that tell the Follett software a little more about the barcode (such as if it is a "T"itle or a "P"atron barcode). For example, if the Follet library card had the number "P 1234" printed on it, an off-the-shelf scanner would read something like "0001234999." Most vendors of barcode scanners know how to program their products for Follett systems, so they can sell to schools that use Follett. Those same vendors can help you program your scanners to simply remove the last three digits. Then the barcode example above would look like "0001234" when scanned into Koha. Staff quickly get used to making this conversion in their heads if they need to type in a number manually. Works fine. (But don't expect the Follett folks to help you with the scanner programming, of course!) -- Stephen Hedges Skemotah Solutions, USA www.skemotah.com -- shedges(a)skemotah.com

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