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Re: [Koha] Re: marc and stuff!
by COURYHOUSE＠aol.com 24 May '01

24 May '01

Lora, Sounds great! Please send the Link! Thanks Ed! > Subj: RE: [Koha] Re: marc and stuff! > Date: 5/24/01 1:49:16 PM US Mountain Standard Time > From: Lora(a)wfftrc.org (Lora Morgaine) > Sender: koha-admin(a)lists.katipo.co.nz > To: koha(a)lists.katipo.co.nz ('koha(a)lists.katipo.co.nz ') > CC: Deirdre(a)wfftrc.org (Deirdre McDonough) > > > > > Hi everyone, > > I've been lurking on this list for a while but would like to put in my two > cents. > > I work for a non-profit organization called the Technology Resource Center, > based in Seattle, Washington. We try to find ways to help alleviate the > digital divide, and are very involved in libraries in the USA and in Latin > America. > > A small group of us have been working on making KOHA compatible with MARC > records and in general with libraries in North and South America. We are at > the point where we successfully import MARC records in full, and allow > editing on over 200 most-utilized fields and subfields. One can also create > a new MARC record, but cannot export records yet. > > We also altered the database structure significantly to import successfully > all fields, subfields, and indicators, and also changed the OPAC interface. > It was rewritten in PHP for more flexibility, as well. Because we have > changed so much of the system, we renamed ours to "OpenBook" - but it's > still an open-source system with code available to everyone. Our ultimate > goal is to help small libraries who wish to automate or move to less > expensive automation options. > > Now, that said, it's not quite ready yet for public input and > troubleshooting. We will be ready for beta testing as of the US ALA > convention, on June 15 2001. I can send the link to the OPAC to anyone who > wants to try that out though. It does have problems still, we know, and > we're working on them. > > If you have questions or etc, please let me know. We give full credit to the > folks in New Zealand - without their structure this never would have come to > completion! We just hoped to change it for the N. American MARC standards in > cataloging, and change the OPAC to be more like US-based OPACs. > > Right now, we only have OPAC and cataloging modules done. Circulation will > be forthcoming around September, possibly a bit later. > > I hope that the members of this list will be interested in trying out the > OPAC and doing testing on cataloging for us... > > Sincerely, > > Lora Morgaine > TRC > > > > _______________________________________________ > Koha mailing list >

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Re: [Koha] Re: marc and stuff!
by COURYHOUSE＠aol.com 24 May '01

24 May '01

Steve, I will ramble some too..... (think I will build the LINUX server this weekend) I have spoken to several other libraries here in Arizona that are considering automating, they are not large library districts but one has two branches so sizable enough..... In my instance I could live without MARC loading and exporting but I don't really want to.... In the case of the others libraries here they MUST have MARC. Has to do with interlibrary loans and the Liberian went on to explain.... But in talking with people, they want to use something that adheres to standards. Our library of course being a reference library never inter library loans and we do not allow patrons to check things out even ... too much that is not replaceable! The reason We wish to have MARC is it is the standard, and if others wish to use records that we have generated through original cataloging they will have them in the format that they use. > Subj: [Koha] Re: marc and stuff! > Date: 5/24/01 12:35:47 PM US Mountain Standard Time > From: tonnesen(a)cmsd.bc.ca (Tonnesen Steve) > Sender: koha-admin(a)lists.katipo.co.nz > Reply-to: <A HREF="mailto:tonnesen@cmsd.bc.ca">tonnesen(a)cmsd.bc.ca</A> (Tonnesen Steve) > To: chris(a)katipo.co.nz (Chris Cormack) > CC: COURYHOUSE(a)aol.com, koha(a)lists.katipo.co.nz (Koha Open Source > Library System) > > > > > > On Wed, 23 May 2001, Chris Cormack wrote: > > > > we may be at that point someday ... I guess the biggest > question > > > is how to load the marc records into the database can you point me > > > somewhere for this? > > > thanks for all the advise! And I love the way the software works.... > > > > > Ok Steve Tonnessen who is on this list has been working on this and I > think > > he has a working marc importer running. > > Ill cc him in this reply. > > > I have a couple of schools who have been downloading marc records for > their books and importing then one at a time. They check my automatic > conversion of the marc records and make whatever modifications they need. > Since the site they have been getting marc records from is Canadian, they > have needed to modify the ISBN to the canadian publication's ISBN in every > case anyway. > > I've also started working on Z39.50 support. Just signed the contract for > access to the National Library of Canada's Z39.50 services today. I've > got a perl module called Zeta working for Z39.50 searches, but it only > seems to return SUTRS format (unstructured text) and not MARC format > results. It seems that Net::Z3950 is a better module, but I haven't got > it working yet. Also the YAZ toolkit also has a perl-based Z39.50 server > that would really be nice to tie into Koha. > > LCCN should not be just overwritten on the dewey field, it should have a > new field created for it. I guess the hitch with this is reworking the > scripts for entering and editing books... > > > Here comes some long rambling on my part... > > I think Koha really needs to be moved to a system that is at least partly > based on Marc. I think that the records for each bibliography should be > in MARC format, and that changes can be made either to the Koha Mysql > tables, or the underlying MARC records and changes will be made in both > places. The way that Koha stores records currently (broken into biblio > and biblioitems) might make this a little difficult, but we could maybe > associate particular MARC records with biblioitems, I guess, and then just > have groups of MARC records associated with one biblio, as is done now. > > I'm thinking maybe about having one module that is used for modifying > records. Something like: > > modifybibitem($env, $bibitemnumber, "author=Doe, Jane"); > > > would change the author for biblioitem $bibitemnumber to Jane Doe. The > modifybibitem routine would be responsible for modifying both the MARC > record, and the MySQL tables. > > This all gets a little tricky when you consider that the MARC record > stores a fair amount more information than the MySQL tables, for example, > if a particular MARC record has a subject added entry like: > > 650 a Extinct animals > x Encyclopedias, Juvenile. > > The corresponding entry in the MySQL bibliosubjects table would be: > > Extinct animals -- Encyclopedias, Juvenile > > Now if I edit the bibliosubjects entry to read: > > Extinct animals -- Encyclopedias > > It would be difficult to determine how to modify the MARC record > automatically in a generic way. If the entry was changed to: > > Extinct animals -- dinosaurs > > It becomes even more difficult to incorporate the change back into the > MARC record. > > I suppose the web interface could pop up a form saying something like, > > --- > > Need more information for MARC record modification: > > 650 a Extinct animals > __ Encyclopedias > > --- > > with an 'x' as a suggestion for the text entry box. > > > Steve Tonnesen > Coast Mountains School District > > _______________________________________________ > Koha mailing list > Koha(a)lists.katipo.co.nz > http://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha >

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Huh? Re: [Koha] Hello from the Museum's Library In Arizona!
by COURYHOUSE＠aol.com 24 May '01

24 May '01

I believe there may have been that many messages in the thread however they were different? Ed Sharpe > Subj: Re: [Koha] Hello from the Museum's Library In Arizona! > Date: 5/24/01 5:08:37 AM US Mountain Standard Time > From: gregg.martinson(a)rahs.roseville.k12.mn.us (Gregg Martinson) > Sender: koha-admin(a)lists.katipo.co.nz > To: COURYHOUSE(a)aol.com, nsr4n(a)tetra.mail.virginia.edu, chris(a)katipo.co.nz > CC: koha(a)lists.katipo.co.nz > > > > > > Internal storage would be great, but auto-responders wouldn't be...(Is this > the fifteenth or sisteenth copy of this message we have recieved?) > At 07:37 PM 5/22/01 -0400, COURYHOUSE(a)aol.com wrote: > >Yes, internal storage would be mote if the converter and gateway was > there. > > > >Ed Sharpe > > > >>Subj: Re: [Koha] Hello from the Museum's Library In Arizona! > >>Date: 5/22/01 4:22:49 PM US Mountain Standard Time > >>From: nsr4n(a)tetra.mail.virginia.edu (Nicholas Stephen Rosasco) > >>Sender: koha-admin(a)lists.katipo.co.nz > >>To: chris(a)katipo.co.nz (Chris Cormack) > >>CC: koha(a)lists.katipo.co.nz > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > I have no immediate plans to work on making koha MARC compliant, but > >>having > >> > MARC importers, and exporters would be cool. > >> > >>If we can achieve this, I don't see how the internal data storage would > >>matter much.... > >> > >>I think there are MARC routines out there, possibly even in perl. > >> > >>Question: has anyone sat down and sorted out how close Koha's existing > >>records are to MARC output (or Z39.50, for that matter)? > >> > >>Nick > >>...still interested in being able to feed bulk ISBN numbers in for > >>populating the database off Natl' Library (LC, etc) z39/marc access > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>Koha mailing list > >>Koha(a)lists.katipo.co.nz > >>http://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha > >> > >> > >>----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- > > > > _______________________________________________ > Koha mailing list > Koha(a)lists.katipo.co.nz > http://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha > > > >

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Re: [Koha] Hello from the Museum's Library In Arizona!
by COURYHOUSE＠aol.com 24 May '01

24 May '01

Yes, internal storage would be mote if the converter and gateway was there. Ed Sharpe > Subj: Re: [Koha] Hello from the Museum's Library In Arizona! > Date: 5/22/01 4:22:49 PM US Mountain Standard Time > From: nsr4n(a)tetra.mail.virginia.edu (Nicholas Stephen Rosasco) > Sender: koha-admin(a)lists.katipo.co.nz > To: chris(a)katipo.co.nz (Chris Cormack) > CC: koha(a)lists.katipo.co.nz > > > > > > I have no immediate plans to work on making koha MARC compliant, but > having > > MARC importers, and exporters would be cool. > > If we can achieve this, I don't see how the internal data storage would > matter much.... > > I think there are MARC routines out there, possibly even in perl. > > Question: has anyone sat down and sorted out how close Koha's existing > records are to MARC output (or Z39.50, for that matter)? > > Nick > ...still interested in being able to feed bulk ISBN numbers in for > populating the database off Natl' Library (LC, etc) z39/marc access > > _______________________________________________ > Koha mailing list > Koha(a)lists.katipo.co.nz > http://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha > > > ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- >

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Re: [Koha] Hello from the Museum's Library In Arizona!
by Gregg Martinson 23 May '01

23 May '01

marc.pm is a perl module that you can use to parse marc records. Its fairly easy. find it at http://sourceforge.net/projects/marcpm/ . I would love to see koha use marc records as well, it would be the ONLY way I could sell it to the media specialists in my district.

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Re[2]: [Koha] Hello from the Museum's Library In Arizona!
by emannering＠mail.sd91.bc.ca 23 May '01

23 May '01

What record format is used?--is the data easily transferred to and from "commercial" library databases? Ernie Mannering Director, Technology & Information Services School District No. 91 (Nechako Lakes) Voice 1.250.567.2284 Fax 1.250.567.4639 Web http://www.sd91.bc.ca ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: Re: [Koha] Hello from the Museum's Library In Arizona! Author: "Ben Ostrowsky" <ostrowb(a)tblc.org> Date: 5/22/2001 5:19 AM >Wondering though how we get the information from LC into the database to be >accessed by the software! I'm not actually using Koha yet, but my understanding is: The records would typically be typed by hand, although you could probably write some Perl scripts to import existing records. If you have MARC records, you could use MARC.pm to do this. >Is this MARC record? Koha does not currently use the MARC format. Ben _______________________________________________ Koha mailing list Koha(a)lists.katipo.co.nz http://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha

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Re: [Koha] Hello from the Museum's Library In Arizona!
by COURYHOUSE＠aol.com 23 May '01

23 May '01

Thanks for the info! Yikes the though of hand typing 4,000 records really scares me! At what point will it support marc? Is there development in this direction? Ed Sharpe archivist for SMECC > Subj: Re: [Koha] Hello from the Museum's Library In Arizona! > Date: 5/22/01 5:21:29 AM US Mountain Standard Time > From: ostrowb(a)tblc.org (Ben Ostrowsky) > Sender: koha-admin(a)lists.katipo.co.nz > To: koha(a)lists.katipo.co.nz > CC: COURYHOUSE(a)aol.com > > > > > > >Wondering though how we get the information from LC into the database to be > >accessed by the software! > > I'm not actually using Koha yet, but my understanding is: > > The records would typically be typed by hand, although you could probably > write some Perl scripts to import existing records. If you have MARC > records, you could use MARC.pm to do this. > > >Is this MARC record? > > Koha does not currently use the MARC format. > > Ben >

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Re: [Koha] Hello from the Museum's Library In Arizona!
by <s.yeates＠cs.waikato.ac.nz> 23 May '01

23 May '01

> > I have no immediate plans to work on making koha MARC compliant, but having > > MARC importers, and exporters would be cool. > > If we can achieve this, I don't see how the internal data storage would > matter much.... > > I think there are MARC routines out there, possibly even in perl. > > Question: has anyone sat down and sorted out how close Koha's existing > records are to MARC output (or Z39.50, for that matter)? If you're going to do Z39.50, let me recommend the YAZ (http://www.indexdata.dk/yaz/) toolkit. We use it at the New Zealand Digital Library and are very happy with it. It has a perl interface called: Net::Z3950 stuart -- stuart yeates <s.yeates(a)cs.waikato.ac.nz> aka `loam' "To err is human--but it feels divine." -- Mae West X-no-archive:yes

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Hello from the Museum's Library In Arizona!
by COURYHOUSE＠aol.com 22 May '01

22 May '01

Hello from the Museum's Library In Arizona! We have extensive holdings in engineering, communications and computation and like what we have seen on this software.... Wondering though how we get the information from LC into the database to be accessed by the software! Is this MARC record? thanks Ed Sharpe archivist for southwest museum of engineering, communication and computation ---www.smecc.org

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new biblio record
by mustafa 09 May '01

09 May '01

I think this is a very nice job. I reviewed your programme, however I couldn't find any solution for the problem in recording biblios. I would like to be informed about wether it is possible to record journal or book etc. data without any supplier admittance. On the other hand, is there any form or programme to provide direct data access to the database? I would be pleased if you let me know about it. Thank you, Mustafa Yilmaz

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