[Koha] [Koha-translate] [Koha-devel] Announcing ... New koha.org Website based on Plone

[Joshua Ferraro]

2009/5/8 Chris Cormack <chris at bigballofwax.co.nz>

> 2009/5/9 Joshua Ferraro <jmf at liblime.com>:
>
> >>
> >>
> >> 3.2 PAY FOR SUPPORT
> >>
> >> Support companies are listed by the date they joined the Koha community.
> >>
> >> I really don't want to remove any credits to LibLime or BibLibre.  You
> >> guys are doing awesome job.  However, I'm a bit confused about the
> >> contribution part.
> >>
> >> As far as I can tell, a contribution should be something that the
> company
> >> as paid or provide the ressource to do something.  Features developped
> for
> >> and paid by a client shouldn't be considered as a contribution.
> >>
> >> Has contributed over 55% of the entire Koha codebase, including the
> >> integration of Koha and Zebra
> >> Has contributed over 35% of the entire Koha codebase
> >> Was the developpment payed by a client?  If so, the client should be
> >> credited for the integrations/development, not LibLime... does it make
> >> sense?
> >
> > Well, I can't speak for BibLibre, but LibLime does not get paid by
> clients
> > to contribute back to the Koha community. We don't get paid to maintain
> > those contributions. We don't get paid by clients to write and maintain
> the
> > free documentation we've maintained for the community, and we don't get
> paid
> > by clients to hold time-consuming official Koha positions such as Release
> > Manager, Translation Manager and Documentation Manager. LibLime pays
> those
> > expenses ourselves at considerable cost to us.
> >
> > Many of the Koha vendors listed on the support page do not contribute
> 100%
> > of the code they write for customers to the community, and we've learned
> > over the past fwew years that in some cases this is due to them not being
> > paid for that effort, and in other cases, its a deliberate attempt to
> > proprietize components of the services they offer.
> >
> > LibLime has, from our inception in 2005, contributed back 100% of the
> code
> > we've created because we believe in the community process and we strive
> to
> > set an example for other support organizations.
> >
> > Listing notable contributions by vendors on the support page where
> > applicable is additional incentive for vendors to get more actively
> involved
> > in contribution. Its important that libraries selecting support options
> know
> > the roles that their support provider is playing in the community.
>
> I'm not going to answer this until I have calmed down enough to not go
> into flame mode.
> I do find it highly insulting to the rest of the community who are not
> liblime though.

Certainly not my intent to insult anyone, nor to start a flame war,
appologies if I've done so. I think LibLime's record speaks for itself on
this matter, we've given everything we have to this community.


>
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> In March 2007, LibLime acquired the Koha division of Katipo
> >> Communications, Ltd., the original developers of Koha 1.0.
> >> Not really a contribution...  This is marketing stuff and shoud stay on
> >> LibLime website.
> >
> > That is not meant to be a marketing statement, but rather an explanation
> of
> > LibLime's listing having been grandfathered from Katipo's Koha Division,
> > which could be confusing to first-time visitors.
> >
>
> Maybe then in that case in order to no confuse first time visitors you
> need to put that the three people hired in that grandfathering have
> all since left liblime.

Please don't re-write history.


>
>
> >>
> >> the koha-manage group decided to...
> >>
> >> What are the factor making for someone to be in the Koha-manage group?
> >> There is no mention of such a group on koha.org.
> >>
> >> My main point here is that the Koha.org website should be as
> >> vendor-independant as possible.  I really think that the Alphabetical
> order
> >> is the best way to reach that goal.
> >
> > I respectfully disagree. Listing by date joined is the most
> > vendor-independent and community-focused. Another fair option would be to
> > list in order of contributions, most to least. This community is, after
> all,
> > a meritocracy :).
> >
> The community is what the community decides it should be.

I'm not sure I understand what you mean, Chris, could you explain? Do you
mean to imply that the Koha community is not a meritocracy? Koha, like the
Apache community has always represented 'Meritocracy in Action!' from my
POV.

Cheers,

Josh

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