[Koha] Going completely on-line with Koha

COURYHOUSE at aol.com COURYHOUSE at aol.com
Wed Dec 24 07:06:07 NZDT 2003

you said: "unhelpful "we're not using 
koha" reply to a survey, cc'd to the developers (to annoy them?"

Our reply: I believe we hit reply all on the mail page... whatever addresses 
were in there of course were cc'ed!  Why did we reply to the survey we were 
not using it (yet)? Please study it... We, as well as others that exist in the 
academic, scientific and technical community  use the library of congress 
numbers rather than Dewey to catalog our books in.

Let us digress back into history further ... this was a feature that  had 
been requested ages ago,  most probably before you came on board and had slipped 
though the cracks.  Both the LC and  Dewey information is present in the MARC 
record, and at the expense of sounding harsh,  if you do not  know what a 
library of congress cataloging number is, and you are doing programming work on 
this project,  perhaps you should study up on it a bit.

You mentioned.... "links to other projects"

I believe  what you are referring to was he DYNIX Link... If you are not 
familiar with DYNIX you need to be. It is a very expensive product with many 
interesting features.  If you carefully read the message that included the DYNIX 
link  it was to offer  a look at the other part of the world you are personally 
attempting to involve yourself in. Only by examining all of the product 
offerings that are out there will you understand  what the state of the art is. This 
state of the art is what others that are  looking at library automation 
systems  look at also. As I had previously stated.... it is always a goal to meet  
or exceed what exists already... and HEY!( yep this one was a shout)  if you 
don;t study it you will continue along in a direction that you think  is 
reality but the rest of the world is examining he entire picture, not just what you 
are working on...

Ed Sharpe archivist for SMECC
On 2003-12-23 02:04:53 +0000 ed sharpe <esharpe at uswest.net> wrote:

> perhaps we could also hope   that there are some programmers on this 
> project
> for purely altruistic reasons and not trying to milk $$ from  each 
> line of
> code....   sometimes things need to get done just for the pure reason 
> they
> need to get done....

I am quite uphappy about this email. I may as well write that "we 
could also hope that there are some librarians who work for purely 
altruistic reasons and not trying to milk $$ from each collection". We 
all know that programmers need money to live, just like librarians, so 
why be so hostile to the idea?

Library free software interests me. There are some libraries which are 
real assets to their communities and could benefit from it, but I have 
no grant funding any more. I have to make money to live and koha-based 
projects are part of that. There is a lot of koha work that I do for 
free, including things that "need to get done" but no-one will pay 
for. I cannot afford to help everyone for free, so I pick a few things 
at a time which look like fun, good ideas and worthwhile. I hope that 
someone appreciates it, even if you don't.

The paid work is on top of that, extra to the time that I would spend 
on koha anyway. If we've no paid work on koha, that time gets filled 
with other paid work because it has to be. Payment brings extra 
programmer time to koha. (Don't worry about my email writing: I type 
very quickly.) Those priorities are determined by what the payer 
wants, so if your idea doesn't get worked on for free and it's 
important to you, consider trying it commercially.

Maybe smecc can't afford to do that. I can't find details about staff 
or funding on its web site. Off the top of my head, I can't recall 
what they contributed or offered to koha. A quick search for smecc on 
the lists gives the LoC request many times, including some BLOCK CAPS 
SHOUTING, links to other projects, and an unhelpful "we're not using 
koha" reply to a survey, cc'd to the developers (to annoy them?). I 
think people wanting free help need to be more open about their 
institution and reasons, and nicer to potential helpers. I suspect it 
will be the same with any of Pat's suggested groups. No-one donates to 
people who offend them, even a charity.

> (remember folks to make it  print out the library of congress catalog 
> number
> instead of the Dewey number it is  just  one field you are dealing 
> with! )

I don't know/remember what's required for this. I probably won't do it 
unless I need it, because I've other things to do and it now makes me 
think of this unhappy exchange. I think you should reconsider your 
methods of motivating people. Maybe you can find out what has to be 
done and record it on bug report 498.

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