Hi Bob, thank you for your reply and sorry for my inexperience, I have just start to use Koha. I don't understand what do you mean when you say: ------ holds are placed on items that are currently (already) on loan ------ Only the books that are already loan by some user can be place on hold by another user? Is this correct? How can a user place a hold for a book that is already loan by an other user? Thank you very much, and sorry again for my inexperience Sander -- View this message in context: http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.com/Circulation-in-Koha-tp5736037p5736039.html Sent from the Koha-general mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Hi Bernardo, thank you for your reply. Maybe I don't have understand what "on loan" means: it mean that the book is potentially on loan or that a person has already place a hold for the book, and has the book on loan at his home? Thank you Sander -- View this message in context: http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.com/Circulation-in-Koha-tp5736037p5736041.html Sent from the Koha-general mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Hi to all, Il 09/12/2012 11:38, Sander898 ha scritto:

Maybe I don't have understand what "on loan" means:

it mean that the book is potentially on loan

or

that a person has already place a hold for the book, and has the book on loan at his home?

"on loan" means: 'the book is on the hands of somoene outside the library' Bye Zeno Tajoli -- Dott. Zeno Tajoli Dipartimento CILEA z.tajoliAT_SPAM_no_prendiATcineca.it fax +39 02 2135520 CINECA - Consorzio Interuniversitario

Salvete!

But the problem is that if I don't set this option to "Allow" I cannot place any hold, even if the books for that I try to place a hold are not on loan.

    That's because some collections are non circulating or do not allow for holds. Those Libraries don't allow anyone to ever place a requeston anything, and thus, there needs be a preference to allow for that situation. Cheers, Brooke

Hi François, thank you for your reply, the hold allowed are set to 3: ---- <http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.com/file/n5736058/circulation_4.jpg> <http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.com/file/n5736058/circulation_5.jpg> ---- Thanks also to Brooke, and hoe can I define if a Library, a collection or a book can be allowed for circulating and place in hold? Thanks Sander -- View this message in context: http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.com/Circulation-in-Koha-tp5736037p5736058.html Sent from the Koha-general mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

You will also want to make sure that you have an all/all rule defined that has a number of reserves defined for all items. Liz Rea On 10/12/12 11:09, François Charbonnier wrote:

Hi Sander,

Ok. You set up your circulation rules the way I would do it... So the problem doesn't come from here! Did you set up the tables under the circulation rules matrix? If so, could you show us how?

I was also thinking about the "maxreserve" system preferences. What value did you use? It should be more than 0. ;)

If I sum up the situation. You checked out a book to one patron. Then you tried to put an hold on this book for another patron. And it says "no items available for holds", right? Did you test this with a book that have more than 1 item attached? Lets say, you have 3 items for 1 book. If there is only 1 item on loan, you will have at the opac level, the option to put an hold, but if you try to put it on the next available item, I think you would have the "not items available" message.

Hope this will help you.

Francois

Le 9 déc. 2012 à 21:19, Sander898 <scrittore@hotmail.it> a écrit :

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Hi François,

thank you for your reply, the hold allowed are set to 3:

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Thanks also to Brooke, and hoe can I define if a Library, a collection or a book can be allowed for circulating and place in hold?

Thanks Sander

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* Sander898 (scrittore@hotmail.it) wrote:

Hi,

thank you Liz, yes I have set a rule for All/library/patron and items.

Thank you Francois, so the maxreserve value is set on 50; and I don't have set up any tables under the circulation rules matrix. Have I to do?

I try to explain you better the situation:

- I create a new record, with new item

- i create a new patron

I try to place an hold with this patron for the new item, but koha say that "No item are avilable for holds".

To place an hold I have to set as "Allow" the AllowOnShelfHolds option.

Yes, that is exactly right, and what you need to do. By default, Koha allows holds on items that are on loan (issue) to people. If you want to allow a hold (reserve) on items that aren't on loan you have to switch that preference on. So it is working as designed and switching that option on was what you needed to do. To allow people to place holds (reseves) on items that are on the shelf. A hold is not an issue (loan) perhaps that is where you confusion comes in. It is just saying you want to have that book in the future. The library still has to check it out (issue) it to the the person. Chris -- Chris Cormack Catalyst IT Ltd. +64 4 803 2238 PO Box 11-053, Manners St, Wellington 6142, New Zealand

* Sander898 (scrittore@hotmail.it) wrote:

Hi Chris,

thank you for your explanation.

So if I disable the AllowOnShelfHolds option, how can I give to a patron a book? I miss this passage, sorry.

Just check it out (issue it) to them, you don't need to have a hold on something to have it issued to you. Have you worked with an ILS before? I think perhaps starting with the manual is a good start, holds are related to circulation, but you they are not required. Chris -- Chris Cormack Catalyst IT Ltd. +64 4 803 2238 PO Box 11-053, Manners St, Wellington 6142, New Zealand

Hi Chris, ok thank you, maybe I have understand: - if I disable the AllowOnShelfHolds option I can check-out (loan) a book to a patron, but this person have to come to the desk and ask directly to me the book - if I enable the AllowOnShelfHolds on patron, from his house can place an hold for a book and then when he comes to the Library I see his hold and I check-out for him the book Is it right? Thanks for your suggestion, I'm new with the ILS, I'm reading the manual in those days but I have misunderstood this passage. Thanks Sander -- View this message in context: http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.com/Circulation-in-Koha-tp5736037p5736078.html Sent from the Koha-general mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Hi, ok perfect, thank you very muche Chris and Marc for your help. Have a nice day Sander -- View this message in context: http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.com/Circulation-in-Koha-tp5736037p5736087.html Sent from the Koha-general mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

* Sander898 (scrittore@hotmail.it) wrote:

Hi,

sorry I have one more question: to make a check-out I need to put the Barcode of the Item, but why I can't see the barcode of the book that one patron has on hold?

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Hi again Are there any librarians reading this that would like to help Sander with a brief introduction to ILS. I'm out of my depth on that, someone ask me about caching frameworks or something instead :) Chris -- Chris Cormack Catalyst IT Ltd. +64 4 803 2238 PO Box 11-053, Manners St, Wellington 6142, New Zealand