----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Ide" <benide@gmail.com> To: "Koha-Mailingliste" <koha@lists.katipo.co.nz> Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 10:05:50 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: Re: [Koha] Final Results for Koha Foundation Options What's with all the "non completed" entries? 54 for the first part of the first question and 66 for the first part of the second question, and it goes up from there. Thanks, -- Ben On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 9:57 AM, Nicole Engard <nengard@gmail.com> wrote:

I have updated the wiki with the files for the final survey results. Now, all that is left is to move forward.

http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=en:organisations:koha_project_organisation:...

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Would someone be kind enough to just say what the result was? I cannot access the site, and when I could access earlier, I was not able to download. I do not need to manipulate results. Just want to know. Thanks, Gary Harris New Mexico State Library, USA. -----Original Message----- From: koha-bounces@lists.katipo.co.nz [mailto:koha-bounces@lists.katipo.co.nz] On Behalf Of Ben Ide Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 9:06 AM To: Koha-Mailingliste Subject: Re: [Koha] Final Results for Koha Foundation Options What's with all the "non completed" entries? 54 for the first part of the first question and 66 for the first part of the second question, and it goes up from there. Thanks, -- Ben On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 9:57 AM, Nicole Engard <nengard@gmail.com> wrote:

I have updated the wiki with the files for the final survey results. Now, all that is left is to move forward.

http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=en:organisations:koha_project_organis ation:forming:vote_in_final_survey

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I believe, if I am interpreting the results correctly (and I qualify here that my statistics background is quite limited), that HLT is the top choice for a foundation to ally with right now, and SPI is the second choice. In the long term, forming a Koha-specific foundation is the top choice. I'm not too clear on what the second choice would be (either forming a more general open source foundation, or staying allied with HLT, perhaps?). Someone with better statistics analysis skills should probably confirm this before we start taking action, but that's what it looks like to me. Cheers, Ian Walls Systems Integration Librarian NYU Health Sciences Libraries 550 First Ave., New York, NY 10016 (212) 263-8687 -----Original Message----- From: koha-bounces@lists.katipo.co.nz [mailto:koha-bounces@lists.katipo.co.nz] On Behalf Of Ben Ide Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 11:41 AM To: Harris, Gary, DCA Cc: Koha-Mailingliste Subject: Re: [Koha] Final Results for Koha Foundation Options On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 11:16 AM, Harris, Gary, DCA <Gary.Harris@state.nm.us> wrote:

Would someone be kind enough to just say what the result was? I cannot access the site, and when I could access earlier, I was not able to download. I do not need to manipulate results. Just want to know.

The results, in plain text: LimeSurveyLimeSurvey Quick statistics: (Koha Foundation Options) Results Number of records in this query: 258 Total records in survey: 258 Percentage of total: 100.00% Field summary for ORG [1] Which organization should Koha align itself with for the time being?Please rank the following options #1 being your first choice.[Ranking 1] Answer Count Percentage Horowhenua Library Trust (HLT) (HLT) 116 44.96% Software in the Public Interest (SPI) (SPI) 26 10.08% International Federation of Library Associations 27 10.47% (IFLA) (IFLA) Software Freedom Conservancy (SFC) (SFC) 6 2.33% None (NO) 29 11.24% Non completed 54 20.93% Field summary for ORG [2] Which organization should Koha align itself with for the time being?Please rank the following options #1 being your first choice.[Ranking 2] Answer Count Percentage Horowhenua Library Trust (HLT) (HLT) 23 8.91% Software in the Public Interest (SPI) (SPI) 60 23.26% International Federation of Library Associations 29 11.24% (IFLA) (IFLA) Software Freedom Conservancy (SFC) (SFC) 38 14.73% None (NO) 20 7.75% Non completed 88 34.11% Field summary for ORG [3] Which organization should Koha align itself with for the time being?Please rank the following options #1 being your first choice.[Ranking 3] Answer Count Percentage Horowhenua Library Trust (HLT) (HLT) 13 5.04% Software in the Public Interest (SPI) (SPI) 30 11.63% International Federation of Library Associations 15 5.81% (IFLA) (IFLA) Software Freedom Conservancy (SFC) (SFC) 50 19.38% None (NO) 8 3.10% Non completed 142 55.04% Field summary for ORG [4] Which organization should Koha align itself with for the time being?Please rank the following options #1 being your first choice.[Ranking 4] Answer Count Percentage Horowhenua Library Trust (HLT) (HLT) 9 3.49% Software in the Public Interest (SPI) (SPI) 10 3.88% International Federation of Library Associations 34 13.18% (IFLA) (IFLA) Software Freedom Conservancy (SFC) (SFC) 26 10.08% None (NO) 11 4.26% Non completed 168 65.12% Field summary for ORG [5] Which organization should Koha align itself with for the time being?Please rank the following options #1 being your first choice.[Ranking 5] Answer Count Percentage Horowhenua Library Trust (HLT) (HLT) 8 3.10% Software in the Public Interest (SPI) (SPI) 3 1.16% International Federation of Library Associations 13 5.04% (IFLA) (IFLA) Software Freedom Conservancy (SFC) (SFC) 2 0.78% None (NO) 41 15.89% Non completed 191 74.03% Field summary for LONG [1] Which organization should Koha align itself with in the long term?Please rank the following options #1 being your first choice.[Ranking 1] Answer Count Percentage Form a foundation specific to Koha (NEW) 112 43.41% Horowhenua Library Trust (HLT) (HLT) 15 5.81% Software in the Public Interest (SPI) (SPI) 9 3.49% International Federation of Library Associations 9 3.49% (IFLA) (IFLA) Software Freedom Conservancy (SFC) (SFC) 2 0.78% Form a foundation specific to library open source 40 15.50% (LIB) Do nothing (NO) 5 1.94% Non completed 66 25.58% Field summary for LONG [2] Which organization should Koha align itself with in the long term?Please rank the following options #1 being your first choice.[Ranking 2] Answer Count Percentage Form a foundation specific to Koha (NEW) 35 13.57% Horowhenua Library Trust (HLT) (HLT) 47 18.22% Software in the Public Interest (SPI) (SPI) 14 5.43% International Federation of Library Associations 9 3.49% (IFLA) (IFLA) Software Freedom Conservancy (SFC) (SFC) 7 2.71% Form a foundation specific to library open source 48 18.60% (LIB) Do nothing (NO) 1 0.39% Non completed 97 37.60% Field summary for LONG [3] Which organization should Koha align itself with in the long term?Please rank the following options #1 being your first choice.[Ranking 3] Answer Count Percentage Form a foundation specific to Koha (NEW) 8 3.10% Horowhenua Library Trust (HLT) (HLT) 31 12.02% Software in the Public Interest (SPI) (SPI) 22 8.53% International Federation of Library Associations 14 5.43% (IFLA) (IFLA) Software Freedom Conservancy (SFC) (SFC) 15 5.81% Form a foundation specific to library open source 21 8.14% (LIB) Do nothing (NO) 4 1.55% Non completed 143 55.43% Field summary for LONG [4] Which organization should Koha align itself with in the long term?Please rank the following options #1 being your first choice.[Ranking 4] Answer Count Percentage Form a foundation specific to Koha (NEW) 5 1.94% Horowhenua Library Trust (HLT) (HLT) 14 5.43% Software in the Public Interest (SPI) (SPI) 19 7.36% International Federation of Library Associations 15 5.81% (IFLA) (IFLA) Software Freedom Conservancy (SFC) (SFC) 18 6.98% Form a foundation specific to library open source 9 3.49% (LIB) Do nothing (NO) 3 1.16% Non completed 175 67.83% Field summary for LONG [5] Which organization should Koha align itself with in the long term?Please rank the following options #1 being your first choice.[Ranking 5] Answer Count Percentage Form a foundation specific to Koha (NEW) 2 0.78% Horowhenua Library Trust (HLT) (HLT) 7 2.71% Software in the Public Interest (SPI) (SPI) 17 6.59% International Federation of Library Associations 13 5.04% (IFLA) (IFLA) Software Freedom Conservancy (SFC) (SFC) 21 8.14% Form a foundation specific to library open source 6 2.33% (LIB) Do nothing (NO) 1 0.39% Non completed 191 74.03% Field summary for LONG [6] Which organization should Koha align itself with in the long term?Please rank the following options #1 being your first choice.[Ranking 6] Answer Count Percentage Form a foundation specific to Koha (NEW) 2 0.78% Horowhenua Library Trust (HLT) (HLT) 7 2.71% Software in the Public Interest (SPI) (SPI) 6 2.33% International Federation of Library Associations 23 8.91% (IFLA) (IFLA) Software Freedom Conservancy (SFC) (SFC) 14 5.43% Form a foundation specific to library open source 4 1.55% (LIB) Do nothing (NO) 5 1.94% Non completed 197 76.36% Field summary for LONG [7] Which organization should Koha align itself with in the long term?Please rank the following options #1 being your first choice.[Ranking 7] Answer Count Percentage Form a foundation specific to Koha (NEW) 1 0.39% Horowhenua Library Trust (HLT) (HLT) 2 0.78% Software in the Public Interest (SPI) (SPI) 0 0.00% International Federation of Library Associations (IFLA) (IFLA) 3 1.16% Software Freedom Conservancy (SFC) (SFC) 3 1.16% Form a foundation specific to library open source (LIB) 0 0.00% Do nothing (NO) 41 15.89% Non completed 208 80.62% LimeSurvey Version 1.85 (7121) Field summary for LONG [7] Which organization should Koha align itself with in the long term?Please rank the following options #1 being your first choice.[Ranking 7] Answer Count Percentage Form a foundation specific to Koha (NEW) 1 0.39% Horowhenua Library Trust (HLT) (HLT) 2 0.78% Software in the Public Interest (SPI) (SPI) 0 0.00% International Federation of Library Associations (IFLA) (IFLA) 3 1.16% Software Freedom Conservancy (SFC) (SFC) 3 1.16% Form a 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2009/10/27 Ben Ide <benide@gmail.com>:

Horowhenua Library Trust and a foundation specific to Koha win so long as we don't count the "Non Votes" -- the set of non completed results -- or we consider the polling a simple horse race with the winner of the first category receiving 1st place, the winner of the second category receiving 2nd place, etc.

Taking all the votes in total and dividing by the number of potential votes (1290 and 1806, respectively) gives this: "Which organization should Koha align itself with for the time being?" Total Votes % of Total Votes Horowhenua Library Trust 169 13.10% Software in the Public Interest 129 10.00% International Federation of Library Associations  118 9.15% Software Freedom Conservancy 122 9.46% None 109 8.45% Non completed 643 49.84% "Which organization should Koha align itself with in the long term?" Total Votes % of Total Votes Form a foundation specific to Koha 165 9.14% Horowhenua Library Trust 123 6.81% Software in the Public Interest 87 4.82% International Federation of Library Associations 86 4.76% Software Freedom Conservancy 80 4.43% Form a foundation specific to library open source 128 7.09% Do nothing 60 3.32% Non completed 1077 59.63% You see why I wondered about the "non completed" results?  :-) We have a few statisticians, and I'd like to hear from them about this.  Barring that, I agree with your assessment, Ian.

I only have 200 level stats (minor I think the USians call it) my major was pure maths. But I would be inclined to not count the non-votes, if you do so, whether you then run it as pure horse race, or as pecentage of total (which i dont think is valid that counts someone ranking HLT sixth the same as someone ranking SPI first) the result is the same. I will wait for MJ Ray who has a much stronger background to answer. But I do think that non-votes are spoiled ballots and not counted. If the person meant none there was an option for that. Chris

I did not give an option 1 and 2 because I did not think it was 'essential' and since I did not have a clear decision for my second choice it would have been a pot luck selection. I did not consider that my vote would be discounted because of it! I thought, since I only had a single preference that my single vote would be counted. Cheers Jo. Chris Cormack wrote:

2009/10/27 Ben Ide <benide@gmail.com>:

...

Horowhenua Library Trust and a foundation specific to Koha win so long as we don't count the "Non Votes" -- the set of non completed results -- or we consider the polling a simple horse race with the winner of the first category receiving 1st place, the winner of the second category receiving 2nd place, etc.

Taking all the votes in total and dividing by the number of potential votes (1290 and 1806, respectively) gives this: "Which organization should Koha align itself with for the time being?" Total Votes % of Total Votes Horowhenua Library Trust 169 13.10% Software in the Public Interest 129 10.00% International Federation of Library Associations 118 9.15% Software Freedom Conservancy 122 9.46% None 109 8.45% Non completed 643 49.84% "Which organization should Koha align itself with in the long term?" Total Votes % of Total Votes Form a foundation specific to Koha 165 9.14% Horowhenua Library Trust 123 6.81% Software in the Public Interest 87 4.82% International Federation of Library Associations 86 4.76% Software Freedom Conservancy 80 4.43% Form a foundation specific to library open source 128 7.09% Do nothing 60 3.32% Non completed 1077 59.63% You see why I wondered about the "non completed" results? :-) We have a few statisticians, and I'd like to hear from them about this. Barring that, I agree with your assessment, Ian.

I only have 200 level stats (minor I think the USians call it) my major was pure maths. But I would be inclined to not count the non-votes, if you do so, whether you then run it as pure horse race, or as pecentage of total (which i dont think is valid that counts someone ranking HLT sixth the same as someone ranking SPI first) the result is the same.

I will wait for MJ Ray who has a much stronger background to answer. But I do think that non-votes are spoiled ballots and not counted. If the person meant none there was an option for that.

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2009/10/27 Joann Ransom <jransom@library.org.nz>:

I did not give an option 1 and 2 because I did not think it was 'essential' and since I did not have a clear decision for my second choice it would have been a pot luck selection.

I did not consider that my vote would be discounted because of it! I thought, since I only had a single preference that my single vote would be counted.

Sorry my mistake looking at the raw data, it appears the not completed ones are those that didnt answer the name and email address fields Yours is marked completed even though you only ranked one for the question. So non-completed ones are those with no way to identify the people who cast them. Chris

Ben Ide a écrit :

Horowhenua Library Trust and a foundation specific to Koha win so long as we don't count the "Non Votes" -- the set of non completed results -- or we consider the polling a simple horse race with the winner of the first category receiving 1st place, the winner of the second category receiving 2nd place, etc.

Taking all the votes in total and dividing by the number of potential votes (1290 and 1806, respectively) gives this:

"Which organization should Koha align itself with for the time being?" Total Votes % of Total Votes Horowhenua Library Trust 169 13.10% Software in the Public Interest 129 10.00% International Federation of Library Associations 118 9.15% Software Freedom Conservancy 122 9.46% None 109 8.45% Non completed 643 49.84%

"Which organization should Koha align itself with in the long term?" Total Votes % of Total Votes Form a foundation specific to Koha 165 9.14% Horowhenua Library Trust 123 6.81% Software in the Public Interest 87 4.82% International Federation of Library Associations 86 4.76% Software Freedom Conservancy 80 4.43% Form a foundation specific to library open source 128 7.09% Do nothing 60 3.32% Non completed 1077 59.63%

Shouldn't we consider only the 1st choice ? (as, if it's possible to build a foundation using the 1st choice, then the 2nd choice won't be useful ). We need only one winner ;-) -- Paul POULAIN http://www.biblibre.com Expert en Logiciels Libres pour l'info-doc Tel : (33) 4 91 81 35 08

I think the non votes are due to people not putting all five options in order. Say someone only voted for 1. HLT 2. SPI then didn't order the rest of the options, their votes would look like: Org1: HLT Org2: SPI Org3: non-complete Org4: non-complete Org5: non-complete Perhaps the way to analyze this give each group points based on how many votes they received in each of the 5 sections. Getting a vote in Org1 would be worth 5 points, a vote in Org2 4 points, etc. That would yield: HTL: 737 SPI: 483 IFLA: 377 SFC: 386 none: 240 And using a similar weighting scheme for the long term results (Long1 = 6): NEW: 900 HLT: 512 SPI: 309 IFLA: 249 SPC: 217 LIB: 607 None: 67 So, by this method, HLT then NEW are still the winners. SPI is runner up for Org, and a more generic open source ILS foundation (LIB) is second for Long. {a double-check on my arithmatic is requested, if anyone has the time] Changing the weighting would of course change the outcome. Would it make sense to degrade the point value for each rank based on how many people actually filled in an option for that rank? Regardless, it seems clear to me that there is a pretty strong preference for HLT being our next step. Cheers, Ian Walls Systems Integration Librarian NYU Health Sciences Libraries 550 First Ave., New York, NY 10016 (212) 263-8687 ________________________________________ From: Ben Ide [benide@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 1:01 PM To: Walls, Ian Cc: Koha-Mailingliste Subject: Re: [Koha] Final Results for Koha Foundation Options Horowhenua Library Trust and a foundation specific to Koha win so long as we don't count the "Non Votes" -- the set of non completed results -- or we consider the polling a simple horse race with the winner of the first category receiving 1st place, the winner of the second category receiving 2nd place, etc. Taking all the votes in total and dividing by the number of potential votes (1290 and 1806, respectively) gives this: "Which organization should Koha align itself with for the time being?" Total Votes % of Total Votes Horowhenua Library Trust 169 13.10% Software in the Public Interest 129 10.00% International Federation of Library Associations 118 9.15% Software Freedom Conservancy 122 9.46% None 109 8.45% Non completed 643 49.84% "Which organization should Koha align itself with in the long term?" Total Votes % of Total Votes Form a foundation specific to Koha 165 9.14% Horowhenua Library Trust 123 6.81% Software in the Public Interest 87 4.82% International Federation of Library Associations 86 4.76% Software Freedom Conservancy 80 4.43% Form a foundation specific to library open source 128 7.09% Do nothing 60 3.32% Non completed 1077 59.63% You see why I wondered about the "non completed" results? :-) We have a few statisticians, and I'd like to hear from them about this. Barring that, I agree with your assessment, Ian. Thanks, -- Ben On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 11:51 AM, Walls, Ian <Ian.Walls@med.nyu.edu<mailto:Ian.Walls@med.nyu.edu>> wrote:

I believe, if I am interpreting the results correctly (and I qualify here that my statistics background is quite limited), that HLT is the top choice for a foundation to ally with right now, and SPI is the second choice.

In the long term, forming a Koha-specific foundation is the top choice. I'm not too clear on what the second choice would be (either forming a more general open source foundation, or staying allied with HLT, perhaps?).

Someone with better statistics analysis skills should probably confirm this before we start taking action, but that's what it looks like to me.

Cheers,

Ian Walls Systems Integration Librarian NYU Health Sciences Libraries 550 First Ave., New York, NY 10016 (212) 263-8687

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