Re: [Koha] Koha Digest, Vol 48, Issue 72
hi every one please i need documentation about koha 3 install on centos 5
From: koha-request@lists.katipo.co.nz Subject: Koha Digest, Vol 48, Issue 72 To: koha@lists.katipo.co.nz Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 08:18:05 +1300
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Liblime, Koha, BibLibre and FLOSS (Chris Cormack) 2. Re: Emailed Overdue Notices (Agnes Rivers-Moore) 3. Re: Add&Dublicate,Add Multiple Copies (nengard@gmail.com) 4. Re: Invalid Login on SIP2 Server... why? (ankita) 5. Again: delete MARC records (stefan) 6. Re: Emailed Overdue Notices (Susan Bennett) 7. Re: Emailed Overdue Notices (Josh Westbrook)
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Message: 1 Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 07:38:11 +1300 From: Chris Cormack <chris@bigballofwax.co.nz> Subject: Re: [Koha] Liblime, Koha, BibLibre and FLOSS To: MJ Ray <mjr@phonecoop.coop> Cc: Koha@lists.katipo.co.nz Message-ID: <606aab810910221138o2064a33cj784bb40c7f337cb8@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
2009/10/23 MJ Ray <mjr@phonecoop.coop>:
Nicolas Morin <nicolas.morin@biblibre.com>
[...] we at BibLibre posted an article on our web site about this issue: http://www.biblibre.com/content/liblime-koha-biblibre-and-floss
Amongst other things, that says:
?"BibLibre decided we needed to modify our standard hosting contract ?to close the GPL loophole used by LibLime: in our future contracts, ?and when the current contracts are renewed, an extra article is ?added to the contract which specifies that even though the software ?is hosted, the library has access to the source code, GPLed."
I'm surprised because software.coop's usual contract terms have said that we "grant permission to the Buyer to use, copy, modify, adapt or enhance the material supplied in the performance of the Services, so far as [the co-op] is permitted to grant that permission" since at least 2006 and probably before (I'd need to check paper files to be sure).
For Koha, that means you get a copy under the GPL, basically.
What with all the flaming of LibLime for hosting lock-in, I didn't expect that other Koha vendors weren't making at least that promise already. ?So - would the other vendors like to state their current contract permissions? ?Anyone else want to follow the co-op and BibLibre and make this promise to your buyers?
Also, I'd like to know whether anyone else's hosting-source-access clause forbids evil tricks like public key encryption? ?Offering access alone isn't sufficient. ?Also, what about the data?
As far as Im aware Liblime is the only vendor in the history of Koha, certainly the only vendor listed on the Koha support page, to refuse to give the source code, and database access to their customers. For me thats where the flames are coming from. I will find out what the Catalyst contracts say, but we don't have and Software as a Service Koha clients, they are all self hosted. But I will look just for curiosity sake.
Chris
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Message: 2 Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 14:49:34 -0400 From: Agnes Rivers-Moore <arm@hanover.ca> Subject: Re: [Koha] Emailed Overdue Notices To: Josh Westbrook <joshw@wwrurallibrary.com> Cc: Koha List <koha@lists.katipo.co.nz> Message-ID: <4AE0A93E.6060200@hanover.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
Hi Josh
Library email addresses are set in two places. One in Admin which is specifically for patron update requests, and the other in Libraries, Branches & Groups, for other messages especially overdue notices. You may of course set both to be the same address.
As you say, the addresses set for the branches receive a huge email including a concatenation of all the notices that could not be sent because Koha had no email in the patron's account. I have a single library site so I am not certain how Koha chooses which email to send the notice to if, say, the patron belongs to one branch and the book belongs to another.
HTH Agnes
Josh Westbrook wrote:
Reading the Koha documentation, it looked like there was one email address that all overdue notices would go to if the patron did not have an email address in their account.
But It looks like when a patron makes changes to their account in the OPAC an email is sent to the email address that is associated with their "Home Library" in the "Libraries and Groups" parameters about the changes. Is this the way Overdue Notices for patrons without email addresses work also? Is an email sent to the home library's email address with all of the overdue notices for patrons at_that_branch without an email address?
Our Koha system isn't live yet to test this - any feedback would be appreciated!
Josh Westbrook Prescott Library Mngr/District Technology Mngr Walla Walla County Rural Library District joshw@wwrurallibrary.com http://www.wwrurallibrary.com _______________________________________________ Koha mailing list Koha@lists.katipo.co.nz http://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha
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Agnes Rivers-Moore Assistant Librarian Hanover Public Library
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Message: 3 Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 11:57:03 +0000 From: nengard@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Koha] Add&Dublicate,Add Multiple Copies To: "Twinamatsiko matsiko Smith" <twimithee@gmail.com>, koha-bounces@lists.katipo.co.nz, "koha" <koha@lists.katipo.co.nz>, "Nicole Engard" <nicole.engard@liblime.com> Message-ID: <1123442022-1256212655-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-647826045-@bda876.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
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That is the manual for 3.2 so if need that feature you can get it from git or wait for 3.2.
Sorry to not be of more help.
Nicole ------Original Message------ From: Twinamatsiko matsiko Smith Sender: koha-bounces@lists.katipo.co.nz To: koha To: Nicole Engard Subject: [Koha] Add&Dublicate,Add Multiple Copies Sent: Oct 22, 2009 7:49 AM
Hello colleagues, Iam running koha 3.0.3 on a debian box but its short of:- "Add&Dublicate" and "Add Multiple Copies" "Number of copies to add" as per the documentation;
http://koha.org/documentation/manual/3.2/cataloging/adding-and-deleting-item...
Meanwhile, its a very big requirement esp when adding lot of copies.....
Have your say Thanx
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Message: 4 Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 04:58:40 -0700 (PDT) From: ankita <amruta.arti@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Koha] Invalid Login on SIP2 Server... why? To: koha@lists.katipo.co.nz Message-ID: <26008694.post@talk.nabble.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
ankita wrote:
hello, i am install koha successfully on linux but i got an error when configure sip2 sever. Error like this...Can't locate UNIVERSAL/require.pm in @INC (@INC contains: ./ /usr/share/koha/lib /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.10.0 /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.0 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.10 /usr/share/perl/5.10 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/SIP/SIPServer.pm line 11. but i already install UNIVERSAL/require.pm module
when i comment UNIVERSAL/require.pm in /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/SIP/SIPServer.pm then is successfully configure and telnet connection.
after connection when set login and password to get invalid password administrator@administrator-desktop:/usr/share/koha/lib/C4/SIP$ telnet localhost 8023 Trying ::1... Trying 127.0.0.1... Connected to localhost. Escape character is '^]'. login: koha password: koha Invalid login login: koha password: koha Invalid login login: koha password: koha Invalid login Login OK. Initiating SIP
means 3rd time login ok
please Help me.
thank u!
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Message: 5 Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 21:02:30 +0200 From: stefan <herrkandera@gmx.ch> Subject: [Koha] Again: delete MARC records To: koha@lists.katipo.co.nz Message-ID: <4AE0AC46.4050500@gmx.ch> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed
Dear List,
I've imported different .mrc files using the graphical interface of Koha and was able to delete them with the "undo import" button in "staged records". Without manipulation of the source the "undo import" button desapeard. So I tried:
bulkmarcimport.pl -d -file zm42a_1995_2000.mrc
Now the extranet OPAC is down, giving the error:
Can't call method "leader" on an undefined value at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Biblio.pm line 1051.
In the Intranet OPAC the search results the records still apeare. When I click on a bib record I get following error:
Can't call method "fields" on an undefined value at /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/catalogue/MARCdetail.pl line 124.
I ran rebuild_zebra.pl without success.
Can you tell me a method how to delete MARC records/items permanetely and savely?
Thank you.
Stefan
Specs:
Koha 3.01.00.052 Debian Lenny minimal MySQL and Apache up to date
P.S. The Zebra features are just glorious!
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Message: 6 Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 15:13:11 -0400 From: Susan Bennett <susan.bennett@geaugalibrary.info> Subject: Re: [Koha] Emailed Overdue Notices To: Agnes Rivers-Moore <arm@hanover.ca> Cc: Koha List <koha@lists.katipo.co.nz>, Josh Westbrook <joshw@wwrurallibrary.com> Message-ID: <f00af31b0910221213ia5c6656sd352a4749d625f7a@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
My understanding, and how it seems to be working here, is that the emails come from the library were the items checked out. One side effect of this is if the patron checks out items at two libraries on the same day and they are late enough to get overdue notices for both, they will get 2 notices, one from each library. Both notices listing all the items meeting the requirements for the overdue notices.
Susan Bennett ILS System Administrator Geauga County Public Library 440 286-6811 x 125 440 286-7419 FAX
On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 2:49 PM, Agnes Rivers-Moore <arm@hanover.ca> wrote:
Hi Josh
Library email addresses are set in two places. One in Admin which is specifically for patron update requests, and the other in Libraries, Branches & Groups, for other messages especially overdue notices. You may of course set both to be the same address.
As you say, the addresses set for the branches receive a huge email including a concatenation of all the notices that could not be sent because Koha had no email in the patron's account. I have a single library site so I am not certain how Koha chooses which email to send the notice to if, say, the patron belongs to one branch and the book belongs to another.
HTH Agnes
Josh Westbrook wrote:
Reading the Koha documentation, it looked like there was one email address that all overdue notices would go to if the patron did not have an email address in their account.
But It looks like when a patron makes changes to their account in the OPAC an email is sent to the email address that is associated with their "Home Library" in the "Libraries and Groups" parameters about the changes. Is this the way Overdue Notices for patrons without email addresses work also? Is an email sent to the home library's email address with all of the overdue notices for patrons at_that_branch without an email address?
Our Koha system isn't live yet to test this - any feedback would be appreciated!
Josh Westbrook Prescott Library Mngr/District Technology Mngr Walla Walla County Rural Library District joshw@wwrurallibrary.com http://www.wwrurallibrary.com _______________________________________________ Koha mailing list Koha@lists.katipo.co.nz http://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha
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Agnes Rivers-Moore Assistant Librarian Hanover Public Library
_______________________________________________ Koha mailing list Koha@lists.katipo.co.nz http://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha
Here's a detailed guide to a Centos 5.3 install, courtesy of Basavaraj Talikoti of Delhi Public Library: http://www.dpl.gov.in/centos5-koha3.html best, Cody On Oct 25, 02009, at 1:05 PM, alaa Badri wrote:
hi every one please i need documentation about koha 3 install on centos 5
From: koha-request@lists.katipo.co.nz Subject: Koha Digest, Vol 48, Issue 72 To: koha@lists.katipo.co.nz Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 08:18:05 +1300
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Liblime, Koha, BibLibre and FLOSS (Chris Cormack) 2. Re: Emailed Overdue Notices (Ag nes Rivers-Moore) 3. Re: Add&Dublicate,Add Multiple Copies (nengard@gmail.com) 4. Re: Invalid Login on SIP2 Server... why? (ankita) 5. Again: delete MARC records (stefan) 6. Re: Emailed Overdue Notices (Susan Bennett) 7. Re: Emailed Overdue Notices (Josh Westbrook)
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Message: 1 Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 07:38:11 +1300 From: Chris Cormack <chris@bigballofwax.co.nz> Subject: Re: [Koha] Liblime, Koha, BibLibre and FLOSS To: MJ Ray <mjr@phonecoop.coop> Cc: Koha@lists.katipo.co.nz Message-ID: <606aab810910221138o2064a33cj784bb40c7f337cb8@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
2009/10/23 MJ Ray <mjr@phonecoop.coop>:
Nicolas Morin <nicolas.morin@biblibre.com> & gt; [...] we at BibLibre
posted an article ! on our w eb site about this issue: http://www.biblibre.com/content/liblime-koha-biblibre-and-floss
Amongst other things, that says:
?"BibLibre decided we needed to modify our standard hosting
?to close the GPL loophole used by LibLime: in our future contracts, ?and when the current contracts are renewed, an extra article is ?added to the contract which specifies that even though the software ?is hosted, the library has access to the source code, GPLed."
I'm surprised because software.coop's usual contract terms have said that we "grant permission to the Buyer to use, copy, modify, adapt or enhance the material supplied in the performance of the Services, so far as [the co-op] is permitted to grant that permission" since at least 2006 and probably before (I'd need to check paper fi les to be sure).
For Koha, that means you get a copy under the GPL, basically.
What with all the flaming of LibLime for hosting lock-in, I didn't expect that other Koha vendors weren't making at least that
already. ?So - would the other vendors like to state their current contract permissions? ?Anyone else want to follow the co-op and BibLibre and make this promise to your buyers?
Also, I'd like to know whether anyone else's hosting-source-access clause forbids evil tricks like public key encryption? ?Offering access alone isn't sufficient. ?Also, what about the data?
As far as Im aware Liblime is the only vendor in the history of Koha, certainly the only vendor listed on the Koha support page, to refuse to give the source code, and database access to their custome rs. For me thats where the flames are coming from.> I will find out what the Catalyst contracts say, but we don't have and Software as a Service Koha clients, they are all self hosted. But I will look just for curiosity sake.
Chris
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Message: 2 Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 14:49:34 -0400 From: Agnes Rivers-Moore <arm@hanover.ca> Subject: Re: [Koha] Emailed Overdue Notices To: Josh Westbrook <joshw@wwrurallibrary.com> Cc: Koha List <koha@lists.katipo.co.nz> Message-ID: <4AE0A93E.6060200@hanover.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
Hi Josh
Library email addresses are set in two places. One in Admin which is specifically for patron update requests, and the other in Libraries, Branches & Groups, for other messages especially overdue notices. You may of course set both to be the same address.
As you say, the addresses set for the branches receive a huge email including a concatenation of all the notices that could not be sent because Koha had no email in the patron's account. I have a single library site so I am not certain how Koha chooses which email to send the notice to if, say, the patron belongs to one branch and the book belongs to another.
HTH Agnes
Josh Westbrook wrote:
Reading the Koha documentation, it looked like there was one email address that all overdue notices would go to if the patron did not have an email address in their account.
But It looks like when a patron makes changes to their account in the OPAC an email is sent to the email address that is associated with their "Home Library" in the "Libraries and Groups" paramet ers about the changes. Is this the way Overdue! Notices for patrons without email addresses work also? Is an email sent to the home library's email address with all of the overdue notices for patrons at_that_branch without an email address?
Our Koha system isn't live yet to test this - any feedback would be appreciated!
Josh Westbrook Prescott Library Mngr/District Technology Mngr Walla Walla County Rural Library District joshw@wwrurallibrary.com http://www.wwrurallibrary.com _______________________________________________ Koha mailing list Koha@lists.katipo.co.nz http://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha
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Agnes Rivers-Moore Assistant Librarian Hanover Public Library
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That is the manual for 3.2 so if need that feature you can get it from git or wait for 3.2.
Sorry to not be of more help.
Nicole ------Original Message------ From: Twinamatsiko matsiko Smith Sender: koha-bounces@lists.katipo.co.nz To: koha To: Nicole Engard Subject: [Koha] Add&Dublicate,Add Multiple Copies Sent: O ct 22, 2009 7:49 AM
Hello colleagues, &g! t; Iam r unning koha 3.0.3 on a debian box but its short of:- "Add&Dublicate" and "Add Multiple Copies" "Number of copies to add" as per the documentation;
http://koha.org/documentation/manual/3.2/cataloging/adding-and- deleting-items
Meanwhile, its a very big requirement esp when adding lot of copies.....
Have your say Thanx
-- .............. Smith Matsiko Database Administrator Mob:071525507 Sparklink Systems Ltd Bg Road,Plot 42 _______________________________________________ Koha mailing list Koha@lists.katipo.co.nz http://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
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Message: 4 Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 04:58:40 -0700 (PDT) From: ankita <amruta.arti@gmail.c om> Subject: Re: [Koha] Invalid Login on SIP2 Server... why? To: koha@lists.katipo.co.nz Message-ID: <26008694.post@talk.nabble.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
ankita wrote:
hello, i am install koha successfully on linux but i got an error when
configure
sip2 sever. Error like this...Can't locate UNIVERSAL/require.pm in @INC (@INC contains: ./ /usr/share/koha/lib /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/ 5.10.0 /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.0 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.10 /usr/share/perl/5.10 /usr/local/lib/ site_perl .) at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/SIP/SIPServer.pm line 11. but i already install UNIVERSAL/require.pm module
when i comment UNIVERSAL/require.pm in /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/SIP/SIPServer.pm then is succe ssfully configure and telnet connection. &g! t; > after connection when set login and password to get invalid
administrator@administrator-desktop:/usr/share/koha/lib/C4/SIP$ telnet localhost 8023 Trying ::1... Trying 127.0.0.1... Connected to localhost. Escape character is '^]'. login: koha password: koha Invalid login login: koha password: koha Invalid login login: koha password: koha Invalid login Login OK. Initiating SIP
means 3rd time login ok
please Help me.
thank u!
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Message: 5 Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 21:02:30 +0200 From: stefan <herrkandera@gmx.ch> Subject: [Koha] Again: delete MARC records To: koha@lists.katipo.co.nz Message-ID: <4AE0AC46.4050500@gmx.ch> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed
Dear List,
I've imported different .mrc files using the graphical interface of Koha and was able to delete them with the "undo import" button in "staged records". Without manipulation of the source the "undo import" button desapeard. So I tried:
bulkmarcimport.pl -d -file zm42a_1995_2000.mrc
Now the extranet OPAC is down, giving the error:
Can't call method "leader" on an undefined value at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Biblio.pm line 1051.
In the Intran et OPAC the search results the records still apeare. When I ! click on a bib record I get following error:
Can't call method "fields" on an undefined value at /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/catalogue/MARCdetail.pl line 124.
I ran rebuild_zebra.pl without success.
Can you tell me a method how to delete MARC records/items
and savely?
Thank you.
Stefan
Specs:
Koha 3.01.00.052 Debian Lenny minimal MySQL and Apache up to date
P.S. The Zebra features are just glorious!
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Message: 6 Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 15:13:11 -0400 From: Susan Bennett <susan.bennett@geaugalibrary.info> Subject: Re: [Koha] Emailed Overdue Notices To: Agnes Rivers-Moore <arm@hanover.ca> Cc: Koha List <koha@lists.katipo.co.nz>, Josh Westbrook &l t;joshw@wwrurallibrary.com> Message-ID: <f00af31b0910221213ia5c6656sd352a4749d625f7a@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
My understanding, and how it seems to be working here, is that
come from the library were the items checked out. One side effect of this is if the patron checks out items at two
on the same day and they are late enough to get overdue notices for both, they will get 2 notices, one from each library. Both notices
items meeting the requirements for the overdue notices.
Susan Bennett ILS System Administrator Geauga County Public Library 440 286-6811 x 125 440 286-7419 FAX
On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 2:49 PM, Agnes Rivers-Moore <arm@hanover.ca> wrote:
Hi Josh
Library email addresses are set in two places. One in Admin which is speci! fically for patron update requests, and the other in Libraries, Branches & Groups, for other messages especially overdue notices. You may of course set both to be the same address.
As you say, the addresses set for the branches receive a huge email including a concatenation of all the notices that could not be sent because Koha had no email in the patron's account. I have a single library site so I am not certain how Koha chooses which email to send the notice to if, say, the patron belongs to one branch and the book belongs to another.
HTH Agnes
Josh Westbrook wrote:
Reading the Koha documentation, it looked like there was one email address that all overdue notices would go to if the patron did not have an email address in their accou nt.
But It looks like when a patron makes changes to their account in the OPAC an email is sent to the email address that is associated with their "Home Library" in the "Libraries and Groups" parameters about the changes. Is this the way Overdue Notices for patrons without email addresses work also? Is an email sent to the home
contract promise password permanetely the emails libraries listing all the library's
email address with all of the overdue notices for patrons at_that_branch without an email address?
Our Koha system isn't live yet to test this - any feedback would be appreciated!
Josh Westbrook Prescott Library Mngr/District Technology Mngr Walla Walla County Rural Library District joshw@wwrurallibrary.com http://www.wwrurall ibrary.com _______________________________! ________ ________ Koha mailing list Koha@lists.katipo.co.nz http://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha
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Agnes Rivers-Moore Assistant Librarian Hanover Public Library
_______________________________________________ Koha mailing list Koha@lists.katipo.co.nz http://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha
Cody Hennesy wrote:
Here's a detailed guide to a Centos 5.3 install, courtesy of Basavaraj Talikoti of Delhi Public Library: http://www.dpl.gov.in/centos5-koha3.html
1. I pointed someone in another organisation at that last week. One question that came up was: Why does it start from fc6 SRPMs? Isn't CentOS 5.3 closer to rhel53? 2. please don't quote the whole digest! Thanks, -- MJ Ray (slef) Webmaster and LMS developer at | software www.software.coop http://mjr.towers.org.uk | .... co IMO only: see http://mjr.towers.org.uk/email.html | .... op
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