From a lurkers perspective: I've always liked the way kohana rolls of the tongue (ko-Han-na).

On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 10:23 AM, Stebbings, Wade < Wade.Stebbings@walkerart.org> wrote:

Just run the letters together: Kohana This is also the name of a PHP-based web development framework, but that shouldn¹t be too confusing.

‹wade Walker Art Center

On 12/18/15, 10:19 AM, "partners-bounces@bywatersolutions.com on behalf of Christopher Davis" <partners-bounces@bywatersolutions.com on behalf of cgdavis@uintah.utah.gov> wrote:

...

Good Day Everyone,

During its first annual meeting, the scope of the Koha North America Users Group (Koha NA) was to form an organization to discuss and support Koha issues native to the U.S. Although everyone is cordially invited to every Koha NA meeting, all face-to-face meetings will be held within the contiguous U.S. to ensure that U.S. Koha users have a better chance to attend them (for many, travel outside of the U.S. is prohibited).

In light of recent discussion on the Koha listservs regarding its extent, the Koha NA has voted to change its name to reflect its scope and we are asking for your help. Please reply to this message with your name suggestions and then join us at our next online meeting to vote for them (Wed, Jan 13th, 2016 @ 11 am Central Time).

All the best,

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I understand, but there¹s no getting around conflicts in this highly interconnected world‹you just want to minimize them. Typing KUSUG into Google results in 32,000 hits, including an actor¹s name on IMDB. Name of a group vs name of a piece of software is not too confusing. But if the NA is the expendable part in preference to US, then run that together: Kohaus Unless that seems a little too German for a US-centric org. (this one comes up a lot as a last name in a google search) ‹wade On 12/18/15, 10:32 AM, "partners-bounces@bywatersolutions.com on behalf of Owen Leonard" <partners-bounces@bywatersolutions.com on behalf of oleonard@myacpl.org> wrote:

KUSUG

I kind of like Kohana just because in native American it means "swift". Kind of apropos.Wendy From: "Thrasher, Peggy" <P.Thrasher@dover.nh.gov> To: "Stebbings, Wade" <Wade.Stebbings@walkerart.org>; Christopher Davis <cgdavis@uintah.utah.gov>; Koha <koha@lists.katipo.co.nz>; partners <partners@bywatersolutions.com>; KohaNA <kohana@bywatersolutions.com> Sent: Friday, December 18, 2015 11:46 AM Subject: Re: [ByWater Partners] Your suggestions for a new name of Koha NA I think the point is to remove the "NA" because it is misleading. How about Koha+US  (Koha and us) -----Original Message----- From: partners-bounces@bywatersolutions.com [mailto:partners-bounces@bywatersolutions.com] On Behalf Of Stebbings, Wade Sent: Friday, December 18, 2015 11:24 AM To: Christopher Davis; Koha; partners; KohaNA Subject: Re: [ByWater Partners] Your suggestions for a new name of Koha NA Just run the letters together: Kohana This is also the name of a PHP-based web development framework, but that shouldn¹t be too confusing. <wade Walker Art Center On 12/18/15, 10:19 AM, "partners-bounces@bywatersolutions.com on behalf of Christopher Davis" <partners-bounces@bywatersolutions.com on behalf of cgdavis@uintah.utah.gov> wrote:

Good Day Everyone,

During its first annual meeting, the scope of the Koha North America Users Group (Koha NA) was to form an organization to discuss and support Koha issues native to the U.S. Although everyone is cordially invited to every Koha NA meeting, all face-to-face meetings will be held within the contiguous U.S. to ensure that U.S. Koha users have a better chance to attend them (for many, travel outside of the U.S. is prohibited).

In light of recent discussion on the Koha listservs regarding its extent, the Koha NA has voted to change its name to reflect its scope and we are asking for your help. Please reply to this message with your name suggestions and then join us at our next online meeting to vote for them (Wed, Jan 13th, 2016 @ 11 am Central Time).

All the best,

Christopher Davis Secretary, Koha NA _______________________________________________ Partners mailing list Partners@lists.bywatersolutions.com http://lists.bywatersolutions.com/mailman/listinfo/partners

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In Ukrainian kohana means “beloved woman”. Victoria From: kohana-bounces@bywatersolutions.com [mailto:kohana-bounces@bywatersolutions.com] On Behalf Of catalog@bfli.org Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2015 10:49 AM To: Thrasher, Peggy; Stebbings, Wade; Christopher Davis; Koha; partners; KohaNA Subject: Re: [Koha North America] [ByWater Partners] Your suggestions for a new name of Koha NA I kind of like Kohana just because in native American it means "swift". Kind of apropos. Wendy ________________________________ From: "Thrasher, Peggy" <P.Thrasher@dover.nh.gov<mailto:P.Thrasher@dover.nh.gov>> To: "Stebbings, Wade" <Wade.Stebbings@walkerart.org<mailto:Wade.Stebbings@walkerart.org>>; Christopher Davis <cgdavis@uintah.utah.gov<mailto:cgdavis@uintah.utah.gov>>; Koha <koha@lists.katipo.co.nz<mailto:koha@lists.katipo.co.nz>>; partners <partners@bywatersolutions.com<mailto:partners@bywatersolutions.com>>; KohaNA <kohana@bywatersolutions.com<mailto:kohana@bywatersolutions.com>> Sent: Friday, December 18, 2015 11:46 AM Subject: Re: [ByWater Partners] Your suggestions for a new name of Koha NA I think the point is to remove the "NA" because it is misleading. How about Koha+US (Koha and us) -----Original Message----- From: partners-bounces@bywatersolutions.com<mailto:partners-bounces@bywatersolutions.com> [mailto:partners-bounces@bywatersolutions.com<mailto:partners-bounces@bywatersolutions.com>] On Behalf Of Stebbings, Wade Sent: Friday, December 18, 2015 11:24 AM To: Christopher Davis; Koha; partners; KohaNA Subject: Re: [ByWater Partners] Your suggestions for a new name of Koha NA Just run the letters together: Kohana This is also the name of a PHP-based web development framework, but that shouldn¹t be too confusing. <wade Walker Art Center On 12/18/15, 10:19 AM, "partners-bounces@bywatersolutions.com<mailto:partners-bounces@bywatersolutions.com> on behalf of Christopher Davis" <partners-bounces@bywatersolutions.com<mailto:partners-bounces@bywatersolutions.com> on behalf of cgdavis@uintah.utah.gov<mailto:cgdavis@uintah.utah.gov>> wrote:

Good Day Everyone,

During its first annual meeting, the scope of the Koha North America Users Group (Koha NA) was to form an organization to discuss and support Koha issues native to the U.S. Although everyone is cordially invited to every Koha NA meeting, all face-to-face meetings will be held within the contiguous U.S. to ensure that U.S. Koha users have a better chance to attend them (for many, travel outside of the U.S. is prohibited).

In light of recent discussion on the Koha listservs regarding its extent, the Koha NA has voted to change its name to reflect its scope and we are asking for your help. Please reply to this message with your name suggestions and then join us at our next online meeting to vote for them (Wed, Jan 13th, 2016 @ 11 am Central Time).

All the best,

Christopher Davis Secretary, Koha NA _______________________________________________ Partners mailing list Partners@lists.bywatersolutions.com<mailto:Partners@lists.bywatersolutions.com> http://lists.bywatersolutions.com/mailman/listinfo/partners

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* Alford, Paul (palford@mylakelibrary.org) wrote:

"Kohana means family. Family means nobody gets left behind or forgotten"

From a southern hemiphere perspective. I think the NA what people are objecting to. Also picking the name of another open source project seems like a bit of a stink move. Chris -- Chris Cormack Catalyst IT Ltd. +64 4 803 2238 PO Box 11-053, Manners St, Wellington 6142, New Zealand

At first, I thought this was a rant about splinter groups, regionalism, and exclusionary tactics and was going to be a bit snarky and say "what is the problem with people in regions getting together to discuss Koha?" "Why does it have to be world-wide?" After all, it's hard for some people to travel-especially librarians on limited or strapped budgets these days. Wouldn't more information sharing and the opportunity for non-koha libraries to libraries to learn things without having to travel half-way around the world be a good thing? Then when I realized that it was really just about the name, I thought, "hey...what about REALLY regional groups like the old CODI (Customers of Dynix) used to do, and break out into Koha Users group Northeast, or Koha Users Southwest, etc., etc? As long as everyone shares the information at the end, what is the problem? Maybe more libraries would jump to Koha bandwagon if they had access to more information. Anyway...here's my .02 cents.... KohAmerica KohaAmerica KohaAmerican Users Group KohAmerican Users Group Northeast... KohaAmerican Users Group....well, you get the picture. -----Original Message----- From: Koha [mailto:koha-bounces@lists.katipo.co.nz] On Behalf Of Alford, Paul Sent: Friday, December 18, 2015 1:49 PM To: Stebbings, Wade; Christopher Davis; Koha; partners; KohaNA Subject: Re: [Koha] [ByWater Partners] Your suggestions for a new name of Koha NA "Kohana means family. Family means nobody gets left behind or forgotten" - Lilo -----Original Message----- From: partners-bounces@bywatersolutions.com [mailto:partners-bounces@bywatersolutions.com] On Behalf Of Stebbings, Wade Sent: Friday, December 18, 2015 11:24 AM To: Christopher Davis; Koha; partners; KohaNA Subject: Re: [ByWater Partners] Your suggestions for a new name of Koha NA Just run the letters together: Kohana This is also the name of a PHP-based web development framework, but that shouldn¹t be too confusing. <wade Walker Art Center On 12/18/15, 10:19 AM, "partners-bounces@bywatersolutions.com on behalf of Christopher Davis" <partners-bounces@bywatersolutions.com on behalf of cgdavis@uintah.utah.gov> wrote:

Good Day Everyone,

During its first annual meeting, the scope of the Koha North America Users Group (Koha NA) was to form an organization to discuss and support Koha issues native to the U.S. Although everyone is cordially invited to every Koha NA meeting, all face-to-face meetings will be held within the contiguous U.S. to ensure that U.S. Koha users have a better chance to attend them (for many, travel outside of the U.S. is prohibited).

In light of recent discussion on the Koha listservs regarding its extent, the Koha NA has voted to change its name to reflect its scope and we are asking for your help. Please reply to this message with your name suggestions and then join us at our next online meeting to vote for them (Wed, Jan 13th, 2016 @ 11 am Central Time).

All the best,

Christopher Davis Secretary, Koha NA _______________________________________________ Partners mailing list Partners@lists.bywatersolutions.com http://lists.bywatersolutions.com/mailman/listinfo/partners

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Owen, Christopher said ³for many, travel outside of the U.S. Is prohibited,² which sounds more like travel constraints due to policy reasons, not due to cost. If we¹re really talking about cost-optimization, then the focus on contiguous-US is misplaced: cost has more to do with location than distance, some locations are simply much higher cost to stay. For example, my recent conference trip to Chicago (c. 400 miles), flying and driving were close to the same cost, but the cost of accommodations by far exceeded everything else. Chicago is expensive, New York is expensive, San Francisco is expensive, Winnipeg is not. It has nothing to do with political boundaries. The majority of Canadian population lives relatively close to the Canadian-US border, Edmonton being the most egregious outlier. Agreed, we need to step back and rethink, What problem are we trying to solve? ŒHot water¹ doesn¹t say much. If that answer drives the shape and expanse of the organization, or chapter, then fine. But not until that is decided do we name something. It is now obvious to me the exercise of naming something is way too premature. ‹wade On 12/21/15, 8:02 AM, "partners-bounces@bywatersolutions.com on behalf of Owen Leonard" <partners-bounces@bywatersolutions.com on behalf of oleonard@myacpl.org> wrote:

I think everyone needs to pause and reflect on what the goal of this process is, because we seem to be continuing to dig this hole deeper instead of climbing out.

...

all face-to-face meetings will be held within the contiguous U.S. to ensure that U.S. Koha users have a better chance to attend them (for many, travel outside of the U.S. is prohibited).

The goal of this process is to define the terms of a Koha user group which meets within the contiguous United States. This narrow definition is of the location of the meetings, not of those who are welcome in the group.

This rule about meeting locations is not made in order to be exclusionary, but in order to create more opportunities for U.S. members to participate. The United States is big, travel is expensive, and libraries don't like to spend money.

I would encourage everyone to make suggestions which don't have "North America" or "America" as a basis. Both terms include areas which are outside the contiguous United States and thus explicitly excluded. Take a look at the maps:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_America https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americas

Terms like "North America" and "America" are WHY we're hot water in the first place.

-- Owen

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I agree, the frequency of face-to-face meetings can be reduced if it’s too expensive. However, there is nothing like the serendipity offered by a face-to-face meeting or conference. And maybe that luxury is something done infrequently, or maybe with regional chapters. But I go back to what I said previously: what problem are we trying to solve? If it’s about cost, then this new line of discussion has value. —wade On 12/21/15, 11:37 AM, "Francis Devadason" <Francis.Devadason@doc.ks.gov> wrote:

Why do we have to travel? We can have online conferencing.

-----Original Message----- From: Koha [mailto:koha-bounces@lists.katipo.co.nz] On Behalf Of Stebbings, Wade Sent: Monday, December 21, 2015 10:14 AM To: Owen Leonard; Koha Cc: KohaNA; partners Subject: Re: [Koha] [ByWater Partners] [Koha North America] Your suggestions for a new name of Koha NA

Owen,

Christopher said ³for many, travel outside of the U.S. Is prohibited,² which sounds more like travel constraints due to policy reasons, not due to cost. If we¹re really talking about cost-optimization, then the focus on contiguous-US is misplaced: cost has more to do with location than distance, some locations are simply much higher cost to stay. For example, my recent conference trip to Chicago (c. 400 miles), flying and driving were close to the same cost, but the cost of accommodations by far exceeded everything else. Chicago is expensive, New York is expensive, San Francisco is expensive, Winnipeg is not. It has nothing to do with political boundaries. The majority of Canadian population lives relatively close to the Canadian-US border, Edmonton being the most egregious outlier.

Agreed, we need to step back and rethink, What problem are we trying to solve? ŒHot water¹ doesn¹t say much.

If that answer drives the shape and expanse of the organization, or chapter, then fine. But not until that is decided do we name something. It is now obvious to me the exercise of naming something is way too premature.

‹wade

On 12/21/15, 8:02 AM, "partners-bounces@bywatersolutions.com on behalf of Owen Leonard" <partners-bounces@bywatersolutions.com on behalf of oleonard@myacpl.org> wrote:

...

I think everyone needs to pause and reflect on what the goal of this process is, because we seem to be continuing to dig this hole deeper instead of climbing out.

...

all face-to-face meetings will be held within the contiguous U.S. to ensure that U.S. Koha users have a better chance to attend them (for many, travel outside of the U.S. is prohibited).

The goal of this process is to define the terms of a Koha user group which meets within the contiguous United States. This narrow definition is of the location of the meetings, not of those who are welcome in the group.

This rule about meeting locations is not made in order to be exclusionary, but in order to create more opportunities for U.S. members to participate. The United States is big, travel is expensive, and libraries don't like to spend money.

I would encourage everyone to make suggestions which don't have "North America" or "America" as a basis. Both terms include areas which are outside the contiguous United States and thus explicitly excluded. Take a look at the maps:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_America https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americas

Terms like "North America" and "America" are WHY we're hot water in the first place.

-- Owen

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Good to hear -----Original Message----- From: partners-bounces@bywatersolutions.com [mailto:partners-bounces@bywatersolutions.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Davis Sent: Monday, December 21, 2015 2:47 PM To: Stebbings, Wade <Wade.Stebbings@walkerart.org> Cc: Francis Devadason <Francis.Devadason@doc.ks.gov>; partners <partners@bywatersolutions.com>; KohaNA <kohana@bywatersolutions.com>; Koha <koha@lists.katipo.co.nz> Subject: Re: [ByWater Partners] [Koha North America] Your suggestions for a new name of Koha NA Wade, et al, The Koha NA officers are please to see to much discussion of this topic on the listservs. If you want to learn the context of why Koha NA is changing its name, please visit <koha-na.org/index.php/Minutes2015-12-09>. In short, Koha NA's original scope was the U.S. and we do not want our name to indicate North America when we are not able to physically meet outside of the U.S. FYI: Our monthly meetings (you're all invited to our next meeting: Jan 13, 2016) are held online and so international boarders typically do not pose any obstacle like they do when meeting face-to-face. Merry Christmas, Christopher Davis Secretary, Koha NA On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 10:56 AM, Stebbings, Wade <Wade.Stebbings@walkerart.org> wrote:

I agree, the frequency of face-to-face meetings can be reduced if it’s too expensive. However, there is nothing like the serendipity offered by a face-to-face meeting or conference. And maybe that luxury is something done infrequently, or maybe with regional chapters.

But I go back to what I said previously: what problem are we trying to solve?

If it’s about cost, then this new line of discussion has value.

—wade

On 12/21/15, 11:37 AM, "Francis Devadason" <Francis.Devadason@doc.ks.gov> wrote:

...

Why do we have to travel? We can have online conferencing.

-----Original Message----- From: Koha [mailto:koha-bounces@lists.katipo.co.nz] On Behalf Of Stebbings, Wade Sent: Monday, December 21, 2015 10:14 AM To: Owen Leonard; Koha Cc: KohaNA; partners Subject: Re: [Koha] [ByWater Partners] [Koha North America] Your suggestions for a new name of Koha NA

Owen,

Christopher said ³for many, travel outside of the U.S. Is prohibited,² which sounds more like travel constraints due to policy reasons, not due to cost. If we¹re really talking about cost-optimization, then the focus on contiguous-US is misplaced: cost has more to do with location than distance, some locations are simply much higher cost to stay. For example, my recent conference trip to Chicago (c. 400 miles), flying and driving were close to the same cost, but the cost of accommodations by far exceeded everything else. Chicago is expensive, New York is expensive, San Francisco is expensive, Winnipeg is not. It has nothing to do with political boundaries. The majority of Canadian population lives relatively close to the Canadian-US border, Edmonton being the most egregious outlier.

Agreed, we need to step back and rethink, What problem are we trying to solve? ŒHot water¹ doesn¹t say much.

If that answer drives the shape and expanse of the organization, or chapter, then fine. But not until that is decided do we name something. It is now obvious to me the exercise of naming something is way too premature.

‹wade

On 12/21/15, 8:02 AM, "partners-bounces@bywatersolutions.com on behalf of Owen Leonard" <partners-bounces@bywatersolutions.com on behalf of oleonard@myacpl.org> wrote:

...

I think everyone needs to pause and reflect on what the goal of this process is, because we seem to be continuing to dig this hole deeper instead of climbing out.

...

all face-to-face meetings will be held within the contiguous U.S. to ensure that U.S. Koha users have a better chance to attend them (for many, travel outside of the U.S. is prohibited).

The goal of this process is to define the terms of a Koha user group which meets within the contiguous United States. This narrow definition is of the location of the meetings, not of those who are welcome in the group.

This rule about meeting locations is not made in order to be exclusionary, but in order to create more opportunities for U.S. members to participate. The United States is big, travel is expensive, and libraries don't like to spend money.

I would encourage everyone to make suggestions which don't have "North America" or "America" as a basis. Both terms include areas which are outside the contiguous United States and thus explicitly excluded. Take a look at the maps:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_America https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americas

Terms like "North America" and "America" are WHY we're hot water in the first place.

-- Owen

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+1 From: partners-bounces@bywatersolutions.com [mailto:partners-bounces@bywatersolutions.com] On Behalf Of Lee Jamison Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2015 11:02 AM To: Christopher Davis Cc: Koha; Francis Devadason; partners; KohaNA Subject: Re: [ByWater Partners] [Koha North America] Your suggestions for a new name of Koha NA Hello everyone (I'm representing a newly-partnered institution), I've been reading the dialog between everyone and it made me ask myself "Why not bring the name back to Koha's original Māori roots?" So I thought of KohaMerica (could perhaps even be called KM for short) as Merica is the Māori word for America. It seems to roll off the tongue while still being unique and easy to identify. On Dec 21, 2015 5:47 PM, "Christopher Davis" <cgdavis@uintah.utah.gov<mailto:cgdavis@uintah.utah.gov>> wrote: Wade, et al, The Koha NA officers are please to see to much discussion of this topic on the listservs. If you want to learn the context of why Koha NA is changing its name, please visit <koha-na.org/index.php/Minutes2015-12-09<http://koha-na.org/index.php/Minutes2015-12-09>>. In short, Koha NA's original scope was the U.S. and we do not want our name to indicate North America when we are not able to physically meet outside of the U.S. FYI: Our monthly meetings (you're all invited to our next meeting: Jan 13, 2016) are held online and so international boarders typically do not pose any obstacle like they do when meeting face-to-face. Merry Christmas, Christopher Davis Secretary, Koha NA On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 10:56 AM, Stebbings, Wade <Wade.Stebbings@walkerart.org<mailto:Wade.Stebbings@walkerart.org>> wrote:

I agree, the frequency of face-to-face meetings can be reduced if it’s too expensive. However, there is nothing like the serendipity offered by a face-to-face meeting or conference. And maybe that luxury is something done infrequently, or maybe with regional chapters.

But I go back to what I said previously: what problem are we trying to solve?

If it’s about cost, then this new line of discussion has value.

—wade

On 12/21/15, 11:37 AM, "Francis Devadason" <Francis.Devadason@doc.ks.gov<mailto:Francis.Devadason@doc.ks.gov>> wrote:

...

Why do we have to travel? We can have online conferencing.

-----Original Message----- From: Koha [mailto:koha-bounces@lists.katipo.co.nz<mailto:koha-bounces@lists.katipo.co.nz>] On Behalf Of Stebbings, Wade Sent: Monday, December 21, 2015 10:14 AM To: Owen Leonard; Koha Cc: KohaNA; partners Subject: Re: [Koha] [ByWater Partners] [Koha North America] Your suggestions for a new name of Koha NA

Owen,

Christopher said ³for many, travel outside of the U.S. Is prohibited,² which sounds more like travel constraints due to policy reasons, not due to cost. If we¹re really talking about cost-optimization, then the focus on contiguous-US is misplaced: cost has more to do with location than distance, some locations are simply much higher cost to stay. For example, my recent conference trip to Chicago (c. 400 miles), flying and driving were close to the same cost, but the cost of accommodations by far exceeded everything else. Chicago is expensive, New York is expensive, San Francisco is expensive, Winnipeg is not. It has nothing to do with political boundaries. The majority of Canadian population lives relatively close to the Canadian-US border, Edmonton being the most egregious outlier.

Agreed, we need to step back and rethink, What problem are we trying to solve? ŒHot water¹ doesn¹t say much.

If that answer drives the shape and expanse of the organization, or chapter, then fine. But not until that is decided do we name something. It is now obvious to me the exercise of naming something is way too premature.

‹wade

On 12/21/15, 8:02 AM, "partners-bounces@bywatersolutions.com<mailto:partners-bounces@bywatersolutions.com> on behalf of Owen Leonard" <partners-bounces@bywatersolutions.com<mailto:partners-bounces@bywatersolutions.com> on behalf of oleonard@myacpl.org<mailto:oleonard@myacpl.org>> wrote:

...

I think everyone needs to pause and reflect on what the goal of this process is, because we seem to be continuing to dig this hole deeper instead of climbing out.

...

all face-to-face meetings will be held within the contiguous U.S. to ensure that U.S. Koha users have a better chance to attend them (for many, travel outside of the U.S. is prohibited).

The goal of this process is to define the terms of a Koha user group which meets within the contiguous United States. This narrow definition is of the location of the meetings, not of those who are welcome in the group.

This rule about meeting locations is not made in order to be exclusionary, but in order to create more opportunities for U.S. members to participate. The United States is big, travel is expensive, and libraries don't like to spend money.

I would encourage everyone to make suggestions which don't have "North America" or "America" as a basis. Both terms include areas which are outside the contiguous United States and thus explicitly excluded. Take a look at the maps:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_America https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americas

Terms like "North America" and "America" are WHY we're hot water in the first place.

-- Owen

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I think too many people have too much time on their hands to squabble about stuff. We could waste a LOT of time trying to come up with something wonderful, that rolls off the tongue, and is a cool acronym, and offends the least amount of people. I vote for Koha Super Duper User Group! ___________________________ Christopher Brannon IT Coordinator 702 E Front Ave Coeur d'Alene, ID 83814 (208)769-2315 Ext. 456 cbrannon@cdalibrary.org www.cdalibrary.org Keep tabs on us at:   

I agree with Christopher Brannon!!!! Georgette Rogers Circulation Supervisor Liberty Lake Municipal Library 23123 E Mission Ave Liberty Lake, WA 99019 509-435-0778 -----Original Message----- From: partners-bounces@bywatersolutions.com [mailto:partners-bounces@bywatersolutions.com] On Behalf Of BRANNON, CHRISTOPHER Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2015 7:49 AM To: Koha <koha@lists.katipo.co.nz> Cc: KohaNA <kohana@bywatersolutions.com>; partners <partners@bywatersolutions.com> Subject: Re: [ByWater Partners] [Koha North America] Your suggestions for a new name of Koha NA I think too many people have too much time on their hands to squabble about stuff. We could waste a LOT of time trying to come up with something wonderful, that rolls off the tongue, and is a cool acronym, and offends the least amount of people. I vote for Koha Super Duper User Group! ___________________________ Christopher Brannon IT Coordinator 702 E Front Ave Coeur d'Alene, ID 83814 (208)769-2315 Ext. 456 cbrannon@cdalibrary.org www.cdalibrary.org Keep tabs on us at:    _______________________________________________ Partners mailing list Partners@lists.bywatersolutions.com http://lists.bywatersolutions.com/mailman/listinfo/partners