Good to hear -----Original Message----- From: partners-bounces@bywatersolutions.com [mailto:partners-bounces@bywatersolutions.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Davis Sent: Monday, December 21, 2015 2:47 PM To: Stebbings, Wade <Wade.Stebbings@walkerart.org> Cc: Francis Devadason <Francis.Devadason@doc.ks.gov>; partners <partners@bywatersolutions.com>; KohaNA <kohana@bywatersolutions.com>; Koha <koha@lists.katipo.co.nz> Subject: Re: [ByWater Partners] [Koha North America] Your suggestions for a new name of Koha NA Wade, et al, The Koha NA officers are please to see to much discussion of this topic on the listservs. If you want to learn the context of why Koha NA is changing its name, please visit <koha-na.org/index.php/Minutes2015-12-09>. In short, Koha NA's original scope was the U.S. and we do not want our name to indicate North America when we are not able to physically meet outside of the U.S. FYI: Our monthly meetings (you're all invited to our next meeting: Jan 13, 2016) are held online and so international boarders typically do not pose any obstacle like they do when meeting face-to-face. Merry Christmas, Christopher Davis Secretary, Koha NA On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 10:56 AM, Stebbings, Wade <Wade.Stebbings@walkerart.org> wrote:
I agree, the frequency of face-to-face meetings can be reduced if it’s too expensive. However, there is nothing like the serendipity offered by a face-to-face meeting or conference. And maybe that luxury is something done infrequently, or maybe with regional chapters.
But I go back to what I said previously: what problem are we trying to solve?
If it’s about cost, then this new line of discussion has value.
—wade
On 12/21/15, 11:37 AM, "Francis Devadason" <Francis.Devadason@doc.ks.gov> wrote:
Why do we have to travel? We can have online conferencing.
-----Original Message----- From: Koha [mailto:koha-bounces@lists.katipo.co.nz] On Behalf Of Stebbings, Wade Sent: Monday, December 21, 2015 10:14 AM To: Owen Leonard; Koha Cc: KohaNA; partners Subject: Re: [Koha] [ByWater Partners] [Koha North America] Your suggestions for a new name of Koha NA
Owen,
Christopher said ³for many, travel outside of the U.S. Is prohibited,² which sounds more like travel constraints due to policy reasons, not due to cost. If we¹re really talking about cost-optimization, then the focus on contiguous-US is misplaced: cost has more to do with location than distance, some locations are simply much higher cost to stay. For example, my recent conference trip to Chicago (c. 400 miles), flying and driving were close to the same cost, but the cost of accommodations by far exceeded everything else. Chicago is expensive, New York is expensive, San Francisco is expensive, Winnipeg is not. It has nothing to do with political boundaries. The majority of Canadian population lives relatively close to the Canadian-US border, Edmonton being the most egregious outlier.
Agreed, we need to step back and rethink, What problem are we trying to solve? ŒHot water¹ doesn¹t say much.
If that answer drives the shape and expanse of the organization, or chapter, then fine. But not until that is decided do we name something. It is now obvious to me the exercise of naming something is way too premature.
‹wade
On 12/21/15, 8:02 AM, "partners-bounces@bywatersolutions.com on behalf of Owen Leonard" <partners-bounces@bywatersolutions.com on behalf of oleonard@myacpl.org> wrote:
I think everyone needs to pause and reflect on what the goal of this process is, because we seem to be continuing to dig this hole deeper instead of climbing out.
all face-to-face meetings will be held within the contiguous U.S. to ensure that U.S. Koha users have a better chance to attend them (for many, travel outside of the U.S. is prohibited).
The goal of this process is to define the terms of a Koha user group which meets within the contiguous United States. This narrow definition is of the location of the meetings, not of those who are welcome in the group.
This rule about meeting locations is not made in order to be exclusionary, but in order to create more opportunities for U.S. members to participate. The United States is big, travel is expensive, and libraries don't like to spend money.
I would encourage everyone to make suggestions which don't have "North America" or "America" as a basis. Both terms include areas which are outside the contiguous United States and thus explicitly excluded. Take a look at the maps:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_America https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americas
Terms like "North America" and "America" are WHY we're hot water in the first place.
-- Owen
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