Spam from BestBookBuddies (OpenLX)
Has anyone else received spam from "BestBookBuddies - an Initiative of: OpenLX Technologies Pvt. Ltd." ? They recently spammed me and everyone else on my library's contact page. If it were up to me they would be removed from the list of paid support providers, but I don't think the rules explicitly forbid sending spam. -- Owen -- Web Developer Athens County Public Libraries http://www.myacpl.org
I think delist would be good decision With Regards, Vinod Kumar Mishra, Assistant Librarian, Biju Patnaik Central Library (BPCL), NIT Rourkela, Sundergadh-769008, Odisha, India. Mob:91+9439420860 Website: http://mishravk.com/ ORCID ID: http://orcid.org/0000-0003-4666-7874 *"Spiritual relationship is far more precious than physical. Physical relationship divorced from spiritual is body without soul" -- Mahatma Gandhi* On Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 5:26 PM, Owen Leonard <oleonard@myacpl.org> wrote:
Has anyone else received spam from "BestBookBuddies - an Initiative of: OpenLX Technologies Pvt. Ltd." ? They recently spammed me and everyone else on my library's contact page.
If it were up to me they would be removed from the list of paid support providers, but I don't think the rules explicitly forbid sending spam.
-- Owen
-- Web Developer Athens County Public Libraries http://www.myacpl.org _______________________________________________ Koha mailing list http://koha-community.org Koha@lists.katipo.co.nz https://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha
I have sent them several emails and they never answered. They are already on my list of companies to remove from the list. Cheers, Jonathan On Fri, 4 Aug 2017 at 08:56 Owen Leonard <oleonard@myacpl.org> wrote:
Has anyone else received spam from "BestBookBuddies - an Initiative of: OpenLX Technologies Pvt. Ltd." ? They recently spammed me and everyone else on my library's contact page.
If it were up to me they would be removed from the list of paid support providers, but I don't think the rules explicitly forbid sending spam.
-- Owen
-- Web Developer Athens County Public Libraries http://www.myacpl.org _______________________________________________ Koha mailing list http://koha-community.org Koha@lists.katipo.co.nz https://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha
Kia ora,
I have sent them several emails and they never answered. They are already on my list of companies to remove from the list. Cheers, Jonathan
On Fri, 4 Aug 2017 at 08:56 Owen Leonard <oleonard@myacpl.org> wrote:
Has anyone else received spam from "BestBookBuddies - an Initiative of: OpenLX Technologies Pvt. Ltd." ? They recently spammed me and everyone else on my library's contact page.
If it were up to me they would be removed from the list of paid support providers, but I don't think the rules explicitly forbid sending spam.
-- Owen
It seems like an easy listserv or meeting vote to add a no spam rule. Cheers, Brooke
Dear Jonathan Druart, I am rather surprised to note this mail. The only mail that I see from you to me was as below : ================================================= Jonathan Druart <jonathan.druart@bugs.koha-community.org> May 17 to koha Dear Sudhir Gandotra, You are receiving this email because you are listed as a paid support company on the Koha community website (https://koha-community.org/su pport/paid-support). We are updating the list of paid support companies for Koha on our community website. Please, after reading this email, either hit reply or complete the form mentioned below to confirm you are still an active support company. The next development cycle of Koha (17.11) is going to start before the month of May is out. Over the next 6 months we will be building the latest, even more awesome, release of Koha. We strongly believe that having everybody involved is fundamental to achieving this. We want to build a task force and for that, we need to know who can commit time and effort that we can count on, in order to estimate the goals we can reach. Even if you have never been involved in the Koha community but are using Koha, you can help us by committing just a few hours each month: library workers or support companies can contribute massively by providing feedback, testing patches, contributing to the documentation or by getting involved in other specific tasks. Even if you do not know how to code you can help shape the next release and improve Koha. If you want to help, or if you have specific requests for this release, please let us know by completing this form: > https://framaforms.org/ready-to-help-the-koha-community-1493918217 < Just a couple of hours per month dedicated to the project is a huge help! Best regards, Jonathan Druart on behalf of the Koha community ================================================= I have not replied to it, as I am usually been travelling extensively for the last 12 months, but, within our team, we are discussing as to how we can take this forward and start contributing to the Koha community in future, starting in next few months. *On the other hand, I would like to share the following with you :* As duly acknowledged by the Koha community here, we are the entity (then known as Indserve Infotech Pvt. Ltd.) that introduced Koha in India with the first commercially done Koha implementation at Delhi Pubic Library, in 2007-08, for which I can show you the formal purchase order also. Its another story that our trainee-engineer, who was trained by us on this project, left us, cheated us, took away the clients we were negotiating and harmed our work seriously, went to another company and is active on Koha even now. We were forced to lie low for a while (due to illegal actions of a large MNC against us) and restarted our activities in a big way again in 2010, and after creating over 165 clients across 15 countries, have now taken Koha to new level, whereby we are offering the complete services free of cost and this is taking us places. The amount of publicity, growth and expansion that we have done with Koha is tremendous when you see the number of clients, the spread of these clients, and their support to us because of un-breaking services. I am aware that people like Vinod Mishra and some others are quiet jealous of us and now with these free services, they are, possibly, afraid of losing their business. And, because of this, they find all kinds of excuses of speaking against us with clients and here also on the list. I see no reason for deleting our name, because, caused by such negative people, it will only give bad name to the whole of community, a cause to which we have given our full support form the very beginning. And, moreover, we have done nothing against Koha. Rather, with the number of libraries to our credit, we are among the biggest providers of Koha services. To promote our services, we do send mails to libraries and in that process, the mail went to mycpl.org also. Owen Leonard felt bad about it, wrote to me, and I replied to him with my apologies, as our intentions have solely been to promote Koha. However, there is no law or convention that says that a Koha service provider cannot send promotional mails to libraries. Please help me understand this point better, if I am missing something. I will not speak against any of them, as, that is neither my style, nor am I person driven by fears. Being a Humanist, I am aware that I need to contribute to the good of this world, that has given me my life and everything else that I have and I am very happy contributing to Linux and Koha in my own way. *I have not done much, with my more than 400 Libraries to my credit, I wonder if this is negligible.* And, for that "crime" (if that's how these people will prefer to term it), as its being labelled by some ignorant ones, if you think Koha community will be happier without me on the list, let's set the new standards. I am quiet aware that Koha is a community thing and fortunately not a personal property of anyone, and due to that fact alone, it is important, that, as a Community, we set the highest standards, which are not driven by the fears of a few ignorant ones, but by the bold-selfless actions of those who do for the society. I look forward to hearing from you on this. I assure you that, very soon, you will find me increasingly active on the list. By the way, my request of adding my new company "Best Book Buddies" to the list of service providers is pending for around a year. Sudhir Gandotra www.bestbookbuddies.com +91-9810120918 On Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 6:37 PM, Jonathan Druart < jonathan.druart@bugs.koha-community.org> wrote:
I have sent them several emails and they never answered. They are already on my list of companies to remove from the list.
Cheers, Jonathan
On Fri, 4 Aug 2017 at 08:56 Owen Leonard <oleonard@myacpl.org> wrote:
Has anyone else received spam from "BestBookBuddies - an Initiative of: OpenLX Technologies Pvt. Ltd." ? They recently spammed me and everyone else on my library's contact page.
If it were up to me they would be removed from the list of paid support providers, but I don't think the rules explicitly forbid sending spam.
-- Owen
-- Web Developer Athens County Public Libraries http://www.myacpl.org _______________________________________________ Koha mailing list http://koha-community.org Koha@lists.katipo.co.nz https://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha
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Just a quick note, unsolicited emails, or spam as it is commonly known is indeed a crime in some jurisdictions. And in almost every one it is against convention. I'm not going to respond to the rest of your email which reads as a personal fight between you and other Indian Koha developers/companies. Please leave this kind of email off the list in future. And if you plan to continue to send unsolicited emails to people then I think the request to remove the listing should stand Chris On 9 August 2017 5:58:37 AM NZST, "Sudhir Gandotra @ Kalculate" <sudhir@kalculate.com> wrote:
Dear Jonathan Druart,
I am rather surprised to note this mail.
The only mail that I see from you to me was as below :
================================================= Jonathan Druart <jonathan.druart@bugs.koha-community.org> May 17 to koha Dear Sudhir Gandotra,
You are receiving this email because you are listed as a paid support company on the Koha community website (https://koha-community.org/su pport/paid-support).
We are updating the list of paid support companies for Koha on our community website. Please, after reading this email, either hit reply or complete the form mentioned below to confirm you are still an active support company.
The next development cycle of Koha (17.11) is going to start before the month of May is out. Over the next 6 months we will be building the latest, even more awesome, release of Koha. We strongly believe that having everybody involved is fundamental to achieving this.
We want to build a task force and for that, we need to know who can commit time and effort that we can count on, in order to estimate the goals we can reach. Even if you have never been involved in the Koha community but are using Koha, you can help us by committing just a few hours each month: library workers or support companies can contribute massively by providing feedback, testing patches, contributing to the documentation or by getting involved in other specific tasks. Even if you do not know how to code you can help shape the next release and improve Koha. If you want to help, or if you have specific requests for this release, please let us know by completing this form:
https://framaforms.org/ready-to-help-the-koha-community-1493918217 <
Just a couple of hours per month dedicated to the project is a huge help!
Best regards, Jonathan Druart on behalf of the Koha community
=================================================
I have not replied to it, as I am usually been travelling extensively for the last 12 months, but, within our team, we are discussing as to how we can take this forward and start contributing to the Koha community in future, starting in next few months.
*On the other hand, I would like to share the following with you :*
As duly acknowledged by the Koha community here, we are the entity (then known as Indserve Infotech Pvt. Ltd.) that introduced Koha in India with the first commercially done Koha implementation at Delhi Pubic Library, in 2007-08, for which I can show you the formal purchase order also. Its another story that our trainee-engineer, who was trained by us on this project, left us, cheated us, took away the clients we were negotiating and harmed our work seriously, went to another company and is active on Koha even now. We were forced to lie low for a while (due to illegal actions of a large MNC against us) and restarted our activities in a big way again in 2010, and after creating over 165 clients across 15 countries, have now taken Koha to new level, whereby we are offering the complete services free of cost and this is taking us places.
The amount of publicity, growth and expansion that we have done with Koha is tremendous when you see the number of clients, the spread of these clients, and their support to us because of un-breaking services.
I am aware that people like Vinod Mishra and some others are quiet jealous of us and now with these free services, they are, possibly, afraid of losing their business. And, because of this, they find all kinds of excuses of speaking against us with clients and here also on the list.
I see no reason for deleting our name, because, caused by such negative people, it will only give bad name to the whole of community, a cause to which we have given our full support form the very beginning. And, moreover, we have done nothing against Koha. Rather, with the number of libraries to our credit, we are among the biggest providers of Koha services.
To promote our services, we do send mails to libraries and in that process, the mail went to mycpl.org also. Owen Leonard felt bad about it, wrote to me, and I replied to him with my apologies, as our intentions have solely been to promote Koha. However, there is no law or convention that says that a Koha service provider cannot send promotional mails to libraries. Please help me understand this point better, if I am missing something.
I will not speak against any of them, as, that is neither my style, nor am I person driven by fears.
Being a Humanist, I am aware that I need to contribute to the good of this world, that has given me my life and everything else that I have and I am very happy contributing to Linux and Koha in my own way. *I have not done much, with my more than 400 Libraries to my credit, I wonder if this is negligible.*
And, for that "crime" (if that's how these people will prefer to term it), as its being labelled by some ignorant ones, if you think Koha community will be happier without me on the list, let's set the new standards.
I am quiet aware that Koha is a community thing and fortunately not a personal property of anyone, and due to that fact alone, it is important, that, as a Community, we set the highest standards, which are not driven by the fears of a few ignorant ones, but by the bold-selfless actions of those who do for the society.
I look forward to hearing from you on this.
I assure you that, very soon, you will find me increasingly active on the list.
By the way, my request of adding my new company "Best Book Buddies" to the list of service providers is pending for around a year.
Sudhir Gandotra www.bestbookbuddies.com +91-9810120918
On Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 6:37 PM, Jonathan Druart < jonathan.druart@bugs.koha-community.org> wrote:
I have sent them several emails and they never answered. They are already on my list of companies to remove from the list.
Cheers, Jonathan
On Fri, 4 Aug 2017 at 08:56 Owen Leonard <oleonard@myacpl.org> wrote:
Has anyone else received spam from "BestBookBuddies - an Initiative of: OpenLX Technologies Pvt. Ltd." ? They recently spammed me and everyone else on my library's contact page.
If it were up to me they would be removed from the list of paid support providers, but I don't think the rules explicitly forbid sending spam.
-- Owen
-- Web Developer Athens County Public Libraries http://www.myacpl.org _______________________________________________ Koha mailing list http://koha-community.org Koha@lists.katipo.co.nz https://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha
_______________________________________________ Koha mailing list http://koha-community.org Koha@lists.katipo.co.nz https://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha
-- *Kind Regards** with Season's Greetings,* *Sudhir Gandotra |* * C. E. O.* *OpenLX Technologies Pvt. Ltd.,* *Regd. Office : F-34/5, Okhla Indl Area, Phase-II, **New Delhi - 110020, INDIA* *Websites:www.openlx.com <http://www.openlx.com/>* | *E-Mail: info@openlx.com <info@openlx.com> | <http://goog_1154387719>**www.kalculate.com* <http://www.kalculate.com> * <http://openlx.com/> * <http://koha.openlx.com/> [image: http://openlx.com/dspace.html] <http://openlx.com/dspace.html> *Office: +91-11-2638-5034, **+91-11-2638-5035* | *Mobile: +91-98101-20918* *Kalculate Datasheet <http://www.kalculate.com/downloads/kalculate_brochure.pdf> | Kalculate Introduction <http://www.kalculate.com/downloads/kalculate_introduction.pdf> | OpenLX Profile <http://openlx.com/downloads/openlx_technologies_profile.pdf> | OpenLX for Government <http://www.kalculate.com/downloads/openlx_for_government.pdf> Newsletter_Jan-16 <http://www.kalculate.com/newsletter_jan16.pdf>* *Linux Download <http://openlx.com/openlx-linux/download-linux.html> | Careers <http://openlx.com/careers.html> | Training <http://openlx.com/openlx-linux/training.html> | Enquiry <http://openlx.com/enq/>** | Clients <http://www.openlx.com/client_list.png>** | OpenLX on FB <https://www.facebook.com/openlxlinux> | LinkedIN <http://www.linkedin.com/company/2938809>* * | Kalculate on FB <https://www.facebook.com/businessdesktop>*
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Well Chris Cormack, It will be very interesting to note that a Koha Service Provider with over 400 Libraries to his credit, will be removed from the official list, because he sent a mail to a Library informing about his Koha Services. It will be an interesting standard to be fixed for this community and to be watched closely by many in the future. It is interesting to note that while you do not rightly want to be part of the trouble between some service providers, you seem to be influenced by some of them. I hope I will be proven wrong on this point, which seems to be clear conclusion from what you wrote. *By the way, how do we decide that my mail to a library, a direct mail sent to them, can be termed as a spam ?* *Since when, did people start talking of their services only when someone asks for them ?* I trust the common sense will prevail and all of us will remain promoting Koha and not the fears of some people around here. By the way, my request for being listed as a Koha service provider (BestBook Buddies.com) is still not approved and I have resent the request today. Sudhir Gandotra On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 11:42 PM, Chris Cormack <chrisc@catalyst.net.nz> wrote:
Just a quick note, unsolicited emails, or spam as it is commonly known is indeed a crime in some jurisdictions. And in almost every one it is against convention.
I'm not going to respond to the rest of your email which reads as a personal fight between you and other Indian Koha developers/companies. Please leave this kind of email off the list in future.
And if you plan to continue to send unsolicited emails to people then I think the request to remove the listing should stand
Chris
On 9 August 2017 5:58:37 AM NZST, "Sudhir Gandotra @ Kalculate" < sudhir@kalculate.com> wrote:
Dear Jonathan Druart,
I am rather surprised to note this mail.
The only mail that I see from you to me was as below :
------------------------------
Jonathan Druart <jonathan.druart@bugs.koha-community.org> May 17 to koha
Dear Sudhir Gandotra,
You are receiving this email because you are listed as a paid support company on the Koha community website (https://koha-community.org/su pport/paid-support).
We are updating the list of paid support companies for Koha on our community website. Please, after reading this email, either hit reply or complete the form mentioned below to confirm you are still an active support company.
The next development cycle of Koha (17.11) is going to start before the month of May is out. Over the next 6 months we will be building the latest, even more awesome, release of Koha. We strongly believe that having everybody involved is fundamental to achieving this.
We want to build a task force and for that, we need to know who can commit time and effort that we can count on, in order to estimate the goals we can reach. Even if you have never been involved in the Koha community but are using Koha, you can help us by committing just a few hours each month: library workers or support companies can contribute massively by providing feedback, testing patches, contributing to the documentation or by getting involved in other specific tasks. Even if you do not know how to code you can help shape the next release and improve Koha. If you want to help, or if you have specific requests for this release, please let us know by completing this form:
https://framaforms.org/ready-to-help-the-koha-community-1493918217 <
Just a couple of hours per month dedicated to the project is a huge help!
Best regards, Jonathan Druart on behalf of the Koha community
------------------------------
I have not replied to it, as I am usually been travelling extensively for the last 12 months, but, within our team, we are discussing as to how we can take this forward and start contributing to the Koha community in future, starting in next few months.
*On the other hand, I would like to share the following with you :*
As duly acknowledged by the Koha community here, we are the entity (then known as Indserve Infotech Pvt. Ltd.) that introduced Koha in India with the first commercially done Koha implementation at Delhi Pubic Library, in 2007-08, for which I can show you the formal purchase order also. Its another story that our trainee-engineer, who was trained by us on this project, left us, cheated us, took away the clients we were negotiating and harmed our work seriously, went to another company and is active on Koha even now. We were forced to lie low for a while (due to illegal actions of a large MNC against us) and restarted our activities in a big way again in 2010, and after creating over 165 clients across 15 countries, have now taken Koha to new level, whereby we are offering the complete services free of cost and this is taking us places.
The amount of publicity, growth and expansion that we have done with Koha is tremendous when you see the number of clients, the spread of these clients, and their support to us because of un-breaking services.
I am aware that people like Vinod Mishra and some others are quiet jealous of us and now with these free services, they are, possibly, afraid of losing their business. And, because of this, they find all kinds of excuses of speaking against us with clients and here also on the list.
I see no reason for deleting our name, because, caused by such negative people, it will only give bad name to the whole of community, a cause to which we have given our full support form the very beginning. And, moreover, we have done nothing against Koha. Rather, with the number of libraries to our credit, we are among the biggest providers of Koha services.
To promote our services, we do send mails to libraries and in that process, the mail went to mycpl.org also. Owen Leonard felt bad about it, wrote to me, and I replied to him with my apologies, as our intentions have solely been to promote Koha. However, there is no law or convention that says that a Koha service provider cannot send promotional mails to libraries. Please help me understand this point better, if I am missing something.
I will not speak against any of them, as, that is neither my style, nor am I person driven by fears.
Being a Humanist, I am aware that I need to contribute to the good of this world, that has given me my life and everything else that I have and I am very happy contributing to Linux and Koha in my own way. *I have not done much, with my more than 400 Libraries to my credit, I wonder if this is negligible.*
And, for that "crime" (if that's how these people will prefer to term it), as its being labelled by some ignorant ones, if you think Koha community will be happier without me on the list, let's set the new standards.
I am quiet aware that Koha is a community thing and fortunately not a personal property of anyone, and due to that fact alone, it is important, that, as a Community, we set the highest standards, which are not driven by the fears of a few ignorant ones, but by the bold-selfless actions of those who do for the society.
I look forward to hearing from you on this.
I assure you that, very soon, you will find me increasingly active on the list.
By the way, my request of adding my new company "Best Book Buddies" to the list of service providers is pending for around a year.
Sudhir Gandotra www.bestbookbuddies.com +91-9810120918
On Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 6:37 PM, Jonathan Druart < jonathan.druart@bugs.koha-community.org> wrote:
I have sent them several emails and they never answered. They are already
on my list of companies to remove from the list.
Cheers, Jonathan
On Fri, 4 Aug 2017 at 08:56 Owen Leonard <oleonard@myacpl.org> wrote:
Has anyone else received spam from "BestBookBuddies - an Initiative
of: OpenLX Technologies Pvt. Ltd." ? They recently spammed me and everyone else on my library's contact page.
If it were up to me they would be removed from the list of paid support providers, but I don't think the rules explicitly forbid sending spam.
-- Owen
-- Web Developer Athens County Public Libraries http://www.myacpl.org ------------------------------
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This is spam: http://www.lislinks.com/forum/topics/how-to-import-data-from-libsys-to-koha Moreover the request you made got an answer: https://lists.katipo.co.nz/pipermail/koha/2016-November/046546.html => OpenLX is already listed. By the way the link to the demo is down. On Tue, 8 Aug 2017 at 15:26 Sudhir Gandotra @ Kalculate < sudhir@kalculate.com> wrote:
Well Chris Cormack, It will be very interesting to note that a Koha Service Provider with over 400 Libraries to his credit, will be removed from the official list, because he sent a mail to a Library informing about his Koha Services.
It will be an interesting standard to be fixed for this community and to be watched closely by many in the future.
It is interesting to note that while you do not rightly want to be part of the trouble between some service providers, you seem to be influenced by some of them. I hope I will be proven wrong on this point, which seems to be clear conclusion from what you wrote.
*By the way, how do we decide that my mail to a library, a direct mail sent to them, can be termed as a spam ?*
*Since when, did people start talking of their services only when someone asks for them ?*
I trust the common sense will prevail and all of us will remain promoting Koha and not the fears of some people around here.
By the way, my request for being listed as a Koha service provider (BestBook Buddies.com) is still not approved and I have resent the request today.
Sudhir Gandotra
On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 11:42 PM, Chris Cormack <chrisc@catalyst.net.nz> wrote:
Just a quick note, unsolicited emails, or spam as it is commonly known is indeed a crime in some jurisdictions. And in almost every one it is against convention.
I'm not going to respond to the rest of your email which reads as a personal fight between you and other Indian Koha developers/companies. Please leave this kind of email off the list in future.
And if you plan to continue to send unsolicited emails to people then I think the request to remove the listing should stand
Chris
On 9 August 2017 5:58:37 AM NZST, "Sudhir Gandotra @ Kalculate" < sudhir@kalculate.com> wrote:
Dear Jonathan Druart,
I am rather surprised to note this mail.
The only mail that I see from you to me was as below :
------------------------------
Jonathan Druart <jonathan.druart@bugs.koha-community.org> May 17 to koha
Dear Sudhir Gandotra,
You are receiving this email because you are listed as a paid support company on the Koha community website (https://koha-community.org/su pport/paid-support).
We are updating the list of paid support companies for Koha on our community website. Please, after reading this email, either hit reply or complete the form mentioned below to confirm you are still an active support company.
The next development cycle of Koha (17.11) is going to start before the month of May is out. Over the next 6 months we will be building the latest, even more awesome, release of Koha. We strongly believe that having everybody involved is fundamental to achieving this.
We want to build a task force and for that, we need to know who can commit time and effort that we can count on, in order to estimate the goals we can reach. Even if you have never been involved in the Koha community but are using Koha, you can help us by committing just a few hours each month: library workers or support companies can contribute massively by providing feedback, testing patches, contributing to the documentation or by getting involved in other specific tasks. Even if you do not know how to code you can help shape the next release and improve Koha. If you want to help, or if you have specific requests for this release, please let us know by completing this form:
https://framaforms.org/ready-to-help-the-koha-community-1493918217 <
Just a couple of hours per month dedicated to the project is a huge help!
Best regards, Jonathan Druart on behalf of the Koha community
------------------------------
I have not replied to it, as I am usually been travelling extensively for the last 12 months, but, within our team, we are discussing as to how we can take this forward and start contributing to the Koha community in future, starting in next few months.
*On the other hand, I would like to share the following with you :*
As duly acknowledged by the Koha community here, we are the entity (then known as Indserve Infotech Pvt. Ltd.) that introduced Koha in India with the first commercially done Koha implementation at Delhi Pubic Library, in 2007-08, for which I can show you the formal purchase order also. Its another story that our trainee-engineer, who was trained by us on this project, left us, cheated us, took away the clients we were negotiating and harmed our work seriously, went to another company and is active on Koha even now. We were forced to lie low for a while (due to illegal actions of a large MNC against us) and restarted our activities in a big way again in 2010, and after creating over 165 clients across 15 countries, have now taken Koha to new level, whereby we are offering the complete services free of cost and this is taking us places.
The amount of publicity, growth and expansion that we have done with Koha is tremendous when you see the number of clients, the spread of these clients, and their support to us because of un-breaking services.
I am aware that people like Vinod Mishra and some others are quiet jealous of us and now with these free services, they are, possibly, afraid of losing their business. And, because of this, they find all kinds of excuses of speaking against us with clients and here also on the list.
I see no reason for deleting our name, because, caused by such negative people, it will only give bad name to the whole of community, a cause to which we have given our full support form the very beginning. And, moreover, we have done nothing against Koha. Rather, with the number of libraries to our credit, we are among the biggest providers of Koha services.
To promote our services, we do send mails to libraries and in that process, the mail went to mycpl.org also. Owen Leonard felt bad about it, wrote to me, and I replied to him with my apologies, as our intentions have solely been to promote Koha. However, there is no law or convention that says that a Koha service provider cannot send promotional mails to libraries. Please help me understand this point better, if I am missing something.
I will not speak against any of them, as, that is neither my style, nor am I person driven by fears.
Being a Humanist, I am aware that I need to contribute to the good of this world, that has given me my life and everything else that I have and I am very happy contributing to Linux and Koha in my own way. *I have not done much, with my more than 400 Libraries to my credit, I wonder if this is negligible.*
And, for that "crime" (if that's how these people will prefer to term it), as its being labelled by some ignorant ones, if you think Koha community will be happier without me on the list, let's set the new standards.
I am quiet aware that Koha is a community thing and fortunately not a personal property of anyone, and due to that fact alone, it is important, that, as a Community, we set the highest standards, which are not driven by the fears of a few ignorant ones, but by the bold-selfless actions of those who do for the society.
I look forward to hearing from you on this.
I assure you that, very soon, you will find me increasingly active on the list.
By the way, my request of adding my new company "Best Book Buddies" to the list of service providers is pending for around a year.
Sudhir Gandotra www.bestbookbuddies.com +91-9810120918 <+91%2098101%2020918>
On Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 6:37 PM, Jonathan Druart < jonathan.druart@bugs.koha-community.org> wrote:
I have sent them several emails and they never answered. They are already
on my list of companies to remove from the list.
Cheers, Jonathan
On Fri, 4 Aug 2017 at 08:56 Owen Leonard <oleonard@myacpl.org> wrote:
Has anyone else received spam from "BestBookBuddies - an Initiative
of: OpenLX Technologies Pvt. Ltd." ? They recently spammed me and everyone else on my library's contact page.
If it were up to me they would be removed from the list of paid support providers, but I don't think the rules explicitly forbid sending spam.
-- Owen
-- Web Developer Athens County Public Libraries http://www.myacpl.org ------------------------------
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------------------------------
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-- *Kind Regards** with Season's Greetings,* *Sudhir Gandotra |* * C. E. O.* *OpenLX Technologies Pvt. Ltd.,* *Regd. Office : F-34/5, Okhla Indl Area, Phase-II, **New Delhi - 110020, INDIA* *Websites:www.openlx.com <http://www.openlx.com/>* | *E-Mail: info@openlx.com <info@openlx.com> | <http://goog_1154387719>**www.kalculate.com* <http://www.kalculate.com> * <http://openlx.com/> * <http://koha.openlx.com/> [image: http://openlx.com/dspace.html] <http://openlx.com/dspace.html> *Office: +91-11-2638-5034 <+91%2011%202638%205034>, **+91-11-2638-5035 <+91%2011%202638%205035>* | *Mobile: +91-98101-20918 <+91%2098101%2020918>* *Kalculate Datasheet <http://www.kalculate.com/downloads/kalculate_brochure.pdf> | Kalculate Introduction <http://www.kalculate.com/downloads/kalculate_introduction.pdf> | OpenLX Profile <http://openlx.com/downloads/openlx_technologies_profile.pdf> | OpenLX for Government <http://www.kalculate.com/downloads/openlx_for_government.pdf> Newsletter_Jan-16 <http://www.kalculate.com/newsletter_jan16.pdf>* *Linux Download <http://openlx.com/openlx-linux/download-linux.html> | Careers <http://openlx.com/careers.html> | Training <http://openlx.com/openlx-linux/training.html> | Enquiry <http://openlx.com/enq/>** | Clients <http://www.openlx.com/client_list.png>** | OpenLX on FB <https://www.facebook.com/openlxlinux> | LinkedIN <http://www.linkedin.com/company/2938809>* * | Kalculate on FB <https://www.facebook.com/businessdesktop>*
*Koha Online Demo <http://koha.openlx.com> | DSpace Online Demo <http://dspace.openlx.com:8080/jspui>*
Thanks Jonathan, for pointing out that link on lislinks.com - it was a un-intended mistake - not knowing that replying to different people would get consolidated on one page. I have now deleted them, and will take care of such things in future. My new request for registration can be the consolidation of earlier listings. Best wishes, Sudhir Gandotra www.bestbookbuddies.com On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 12:15 AM, Jonathan Druart < jonathan.druart@bugs.koha-community.org> wrote:
This is spam: http://www.lislinks.com/forum/topics/how-to-import-data- from-libsys-to-koha
Moreover the request you made got an answer: https://lists.katipo. co.nz/pipermail/koha/2016-November/046546.html => OpenLX is already listed. By the way the link to the demo is down.
On Tue, 8 Aug 2017 at 15:26 Sudhir Gandotra @ Kalculate < sudhir@kalculate.com> wrote:
Well Chris Cormack, It will be very interesting to note that a Koha Service Provider with over 400 Libraries to his credit, will be removed from the official list, because he sent a mail to a Library informing about his Koha Services.
It will be an interesting standard to be fixed for this community and to be watched closely by many in the future.
It is interesting to note that while you do not rightly want to be part of the trouble between some service providers, you seem to be influenced by some of them. I hope I will be proven wrong on this point, which seems to be clear conclusion from what you wrote.
*By the way, how do we decide that my mail to a library, a direct mail sent to them, can be termed as a spam ?*
*Since when, did people start talking of their services only when someone asks for them ?*
I trust the common sense will prevail and all of us will remain promoting Koha and not the fears of some people around here.
By the way, my request for being listed as a Koha service provider (BestBook Buddies.com) is still not approved and I have resent the request today.
Sudhir Gandotra
On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 11:42 PM, Chris Cormack <chrisc@catalyst.net.nz> wrote:
Just a quick note, unsolicited emails, or spam as it is commonly known is indeed a crime in some jurisdictions. And in almost every one it is against convention.
I'm not going to respond to the rest of your email which reads as a personal fight between you and other Indian Koha developers/companies. Please leave this kind of email off the list in future.
And if you plan to continue to send unsolicited emails to people then I think the request to remove the listing should stand
Chris
On 9 August 2017 5:58:37 AM NZST, "Sudhir Gandotra @ Kalculate" < sudhir@kalculate.com> wrote:
Dear Jonathan Druart,
I am rather surprised to note this mail.
The only mail that I see from you to me was as below :
------------------------------
Jonathan Druart <jonathan.druart@bugs.koha-community.org> May 17 to koha
Dear Sudhir Gandotra,
You are receiving this email because you are listed as a paid support company on the Koha community website (https://koha-community.org/su pport/paid-support).
We are updating the list of paid support companies for Koha on our community website. Please, after reading this email, either hit reply or complete the form mentioned below to confirm you are still an active support company.
The next development cycle of Koha (17.11) is going to start before the month of May is out. Over the next 6 months we will be building the latest, even more awesome, release of Koha. We strongly believe that having everybody involved is fundamental to achieving this.
We want to build a task force and for that, we need to know who can commit time and effort that we can count on, in order to estimate the goals we can reach. Even if you have never been involved in the Koha community but are using Koha, you can help us by committing just a few hours each month: library workers or support companies can contribute massively by providing feedback, testing patches, contributing to the documentation or by getting involved in other specific tasks. Even if you do not know how to code you can help shape the next release and improve Koha. If you want to help, or if you have specific requests for this release, please let us know by completing this form:
https://framaforms.org/ready-to-help-the-koha-community-1493918217 <
Just a couple of hours per month dedicated to the project is a huge help!
Best regards, Jonathan Druart on behalf of the Koha community
------------------------------
I have not replied to it, as I am usually been travelling extensively for the last 12 months, but, within our team, we are discussing as to how we can take this forward and start contributing to the Koha community in future, starting in next few months.
*On the other hand, I would like to share the following with you :*
As duly acknowledged by the Koha community here, we are the entity (then known as Indserve Infotech Pvt. Ltd.) that introduced Koha in India with the first commercially done Koha implementation at Delhi Pubic Library, in 2007-08, for which I can show you the formal purchase order also. Its another story that our trainee-engineer, who was trained by us on this project, left us, cheated us, took away the clients we were negotiating and harmed our work seriously, went to another company and is active on Koha even now. We were forced to lie low for a while (due to illegal actions of a large MNC against us) and restarted our activities in a big way again in 2010, and after creating over 165 clients across 15 countries, have now taken Koha to new level, whereby we are offering the complete services free of cost and this is taking us places.
The amount of publicity, growth and expansion that we have done with Koha is tremendous when you see the number of clients, the spread of these clients, and their support to us because of un-breaking services.
I am aware that people like Vinod Mishra and some others are quiet jealous of us and now with these free services, they are, possibly, afraid of losing their business. And, because of this, they find all kinds of excuses of speaking against us with clients and here also on the list.
I see no reason for deleting our name, because, caused by such negative people, it will only give bad name to the whole of community, a cause to which we have given our full support form the very beginning. And, moreover, we have done nothing against Koha. Rather, with the number of libraries to our credit, we are among the biggest providers of Koha services.
To promote our services, we do send mails to libraries and in that process, the mail went to mycpl.org also. Owen Leonard felt bad about it, wrote to me, and I replied to him with my apologies, as our intentions have solely been to promote Koha. However, there is no law or convention that says that a Koha service provider cannot send promotional mails to libraries. Please help me understand this point better, if I am missing something.
I will not speak against any of them, as, that is neither my style, nor am I person driven by fears.
Being a Humanist, I am aware that I need to contribute to the good of this world, that has given me my life and everything else that I have and I am very happy contributing to Linux and Koha in my own way. *I have not done much, with my more than 400 Libraries to my credit, I wonder if this is negligible.*
And, for that "crime" (if that's how these people will prefer to term it), as its being labelled by some ignorant ones, if you think Koha community will be happier without me on the list, let's set the new standards.
I am quiet aware that Koha is a community thing and fortunately not a personal property of anyone, and due to that fact alone, it is important, that, as a Community, we set the highest standards, which are not driven by the fears of a few ignorant ones, but by the bold-selfless actions of those who do for the society.
I look forward to hearing from you on this.
I assure you that, very soon, you will find me increasingly active on the list.
By the way, my request of adding my new company "Best Book Buddies" to the list of service providers is pending for around a year.
Sudhir Gandotra www.bestbookbuddies.com +91-9810120918 <+91%2098101%2020918>
On Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 6:37 PM, Jonathan Druart < jonathan.druart@bugs.koha-community.org> wrote:
I have sent them several emails and they never answered. They are already
on my list of companies to remove from the list.
Cheers, Jonathan
On Fri, 4 Aug 2017 at 08:56 Owen Leonard <oleonard@myacpl.org> wrote:
Has anyone else received spam from "BestBookBuddies - an Initiative
of: OpenLX Technologies Pvt. Ltd." ? They recently spammed me and everyone else on my library's contact page.
If it were up to me they would be removed from the list of paid support providers, but I don't think the rules explicitly forbid sending spam.
-- Owen
-- Web Developer Athens County Public Libraries http://www.myacpl.org ------------------------------
Koha mailing list http://koha-community.org Koha@lists.katipo.co.nz https://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha
------------------------------
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-- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
-- *Kind Regards** with Season's Greetings,* *Sudhir Gandotra |* * C. E. O.* *OpenLX Technologies Pvt. Ltd.,* *Regd. Office : F-34/5, Okhla Indl Area, Phase-II, **New Delhi - 110020, INDIA* *Websites:www.openlx.com <http://www.openlx.com/>* | *E-Mail: info@openlx.com <info@openlx.com> | <http://goog_1154387719>**www.kalculate.com* <http://www.kalculate.com> * <http://openlx.com/> * <http://koha.openlx.com/> [image: http://openlx.com/dspace.html] <http://openlx.com/dspace.html> *Office: +91-11-2638-5034 <+91%2011%202638%205034>, **+91-11-2638-5035 <+91%2011%202638%205035>* | *Mobile: +91-98101-20918 <+91%2098101%2020918>* *Kalculate Datasheet <http://www.kalculate.com/downloads/kalculate_brochure.pdf> | Kalculate Introduction <http://www.kalculate.com/downloads/kalculate_introduction.pdf> | OpenLX Profile <http://openlx.com/downloads/openlx_technologies_profile.pdf> | OpenLX for Government <http://www.kalculate.com/downloads/openlx_for_government.pdf> Newsletter_Jan-16 <http://www.kalculate.com/newsletter_jan16.pdf>* *Linux Download <http://openlx.com/openlx-linux/download-linux.html> | Careers <http://openlx.com/careers.html> | Training <http://openlx.com/openlx-linux/training.html> | Enquiry <http://openlx.com/enq/>** | Clients <http://www.openlx.com/client_list.png>** | OpenLX on FB <https://www.facebook.com/openlxlinux> | LinkedIN <http://www.linkedin.com/company/2938809>* * | Kalculate on FB <https://www.facebook.com/businessdesktop>*
*Koha Online Demo <http://koha.openlx.com> | DSpace Online Demo <http://dspace.openlx.com:8080/jspui>*
-- *Kind Regards** with Season's Greetings,* *Sudhir Gandotra |* * C. E. O.* *OpenLX Technologies Pvt. Ltd.,* *Regd. Office : F-34/5, Okhla Indl Area, Phase-II, **New Delhi - 110020, INDIA* *Websites:www.openlx.com <http://www.openlx.com/>* | *E-Mail: info@openlx.com <info@openlx.com> | <http://goog_1154387719>**www.kalculate.com* <http://www.kalculate.com> * <http://openlx.com/> * <http://koha.openlx.com/> [image: http://openlx.com/dspace.html] <http://openlx.com/dspace.html> *Office: +91-11-2638-5034, **+91-11-2638-5035* | *Mobile: +91-98101-20918* *Kalculate Datasheet <http://www.kalculate.com/downloads/kalculate_brochure.pdf> | Kalculate Introduction <http://www.kalculate.com/downloads/kalculate_introduction.pdf> | OpenLX Profile <http://openlx.com/downloads/openlx_technologies_profile.pdf> | OpenLX for Government <http://www.kalculate.com/downloads/openlx_for_government.pdf> Newsletter_Jan-16 <http://www.kalculate.com/newsletter_jan16.pdf>* *Linux Download <http://openlx.com/openlx-linux/download-linux.html> | Careers <http://openlx.com/careers.html> | Training <http://openlx.com/openlx-linux/training.html> | Enquiry <http://openlx.com/enq/>** | Clients <http://www.openlx.com/client_list.png>** | OpenLX on FB <https://www.facebook.com/openlxlinux> | LinkedIN <http://www.linkedin.com/company/2938809>* * | Kalculate on FB <https://www.facebook.com/businessdesktop>* *Koha Online Demo <http://koha.openlx.com> | DSpace Online Demo <http://dspace.openlx.com:8080/jspui>*
From yesterday we are getting sale/marketing spam emails from sudhir@openlx.com email ID for *www.BestBookBuddies.com <http://www.bestbookbuddies.com/> *. I believe others are also facing this
Dear All, problem. I request to address this issue. Vikram Zadgaonkar On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 1:09 AM, Sudhir Gandotra @ Kalculate < sudhir@kalculate.com> wrote:
Thanks Jonathan, for pointing out that link on lislinks.com - it was a un-intended mistake - not knowing that replying to different people would get consolidated on one page. I have now deleted them, and will take care of such things in future.
My new request for registration can be the consolidation of earlier listings.
Best wishes,
Sudhir Gandotra www.bestbookbuddies.com
On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 12:15 AM, Jonathan Druart < jonathan.druart@bugs.koha-community.org> wrote:
This is spam: http://www.lislinks.com/forum/topics/how-to-import-data- from-libsys-to-koha
Moreover the request you made got an answer: https://lists.katipo. co.nz/pipermail/koha/2016-November/046546.html => OpenLX is already listed. By the way the link to the demo is down.
On Tue, 8 Aug 2017 at 15:26 Sudhir Gandotra @ Kalculate < sudhir@kalculate.com> wrote:
Well Chris Cormack, It will be very interesting to note that a Koha Service Provider with over 400 Libraries to his credit, will be removed from the official list, because he sent a mail to a Library informing about his Koha Services.
It will be an interesting standard to be fixed for this community and to be watched closely by many in the future.
It is interesting to note that while you do not rightly want to be part of the trouble between some service providers, you seem to be influenced by some of them. I hope I will be proven wrong on this point, which seems to be clear conclusion from what you wrote.
*By the way, how do we decide that my mail to a library, a direct mail sent to them, can be termed as a spam ?*
*Since when, did people start talking of their services only when someone asks for them ?*
I trust the common sense will prevail and all of us will remain promoting Koha and not the fears of some people around here.
By the way, my request for being listed as a Koha service provider (BestBook Buddies.com) is still not approved and I have resent the request today.
Sudhir Gandotra
On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 11:42 PM, Chris Cormack <chrisc@catalyst.net.nz> wrote:
Just a quick note, unsolicited emails, or spam as it is commonly known is indeed a crime in some jurisdictions. And in almost every one it is against convention.
I'm not going to respond to the rest of your email which reads as a personal fight between you and other Indian Koha developers/companies. Please leave this kind of email off the list in future.
And if you plan to continue to send unsolicited emails to people then I think the request to remove the listing should stand
Chris
On 9 August 2017 5:58:37 AM NZST, "Sudhir Gandotra @ Kalculate" < sudhir@kalculate.com> wrote:
Dear Jonathan Druart,
I am rather surprised to note this mail.
The only mail that I see from you to me was as below :
------------------------------
Jonathan Druart <jonathan.druart@bugs.koha-community.org> May 17 to koha
Dear Sudhir Gandotra,
You are receiving this email because you are listed as a paid support company on the Koha community website (https://koha-community.org/su pport/paid-support).
We are updating the list of paid support companies for Koha on our community website. Please, after reading this email, either hit reply
complete the form mentioned below to confirm you are still an active support company.
The next development cycle of Koha (17.11) is going to start before
month of May is out. Over the next 6 months we will be building the latest, even more awesome, release of Koha. We strongly believe that having everybody involved is fundamental to achieving this.
We want to build a task force and for that, we need to know who can commit time and effort that we can count on, in order to estimate the goals we can reach. Even if you have never been involved in the Koha community but are using Koha, you can help us by committing just a few hours each month: library workers or support companies can contribute massively by
feedback, testing patches, contributing to the documentation or by getting involved in other specific tasks. Even if you do not know how to code you can help shape the next release and improve Koha. If you want to help, or if you have specific requests for this release, please let us know by completing this form:
https://framaforms.org/ready-to-help-the-koha-community-1493918217 <
Just a couple of hours per month dedicated to the project is a huge help!
Best regards, Jonathan Druart on behalf of the Koha community
------------------------------
I have not replied to it, as I am usually been travelling extensively for the last 12 months, but, within our team, we are discussing as to how we can take this forward and start contributing to the Koha community in future, starting in next few months.
*On the other hand, I would like to share the following with you :*
As duly acknowledged by the Koha community here, we are the entity (then known as Indserve Infotech Pvt. Ltd.) that introduced Koha in India with the first commercially done Koha implementation at Delhi Pubic Library, in 2007-08, for which I can show you the formal purchase order also. Its another story that our trainee-engineer, who was trained by us on
project, left us, cheated us, took away the clients we were negotiating and harmed our work seriously, went to another company and is active on Koha even now. We were forced to lie low for a while (due to illegal actions of a large MNC against us) and restarted our activities in a big way again in 2010, and after creating over 165 clients across 15 countries, have now taken Koha to new level, whereby we are offering the complete services free of cost and this is taking us places.
The amount of publicity, growth and expansion that we have done with Koha is tremendous when you see the number of clients, the spread of these clients, and their support to us because of un-breaking services.
I am aware that people like Vinod Mishra and some others are quiet jealous of us and now with these free services, they are, possibly, afraid of losing their business. And, because of this, they find all kinds of excuses of speaking against us with clients and here also on the list.
I see no reason for deleting our name, because, caused by such negative people, it will only give bad name to the whole of community, a cause to which we have given our full support form the very beginning. And, moreover, we have done nothing against Koha. Rather, with the number of libraries to our credit, we are among the biggest providers of Koha services.
To promote our services, we do send mails to libraries and in that
the mail went to mycpl.org also. Owen Leonard felt bad about it, wrote to me, and I replied to him with my apologies, as our intentions have solely been to promote Koha. However, there is no law or convention that says that a Koha service provider cannot send promotional mails to libraries. Please help me understand this point better, if I am missing something.
I will not speak against any of them, as, that is neither my style, nor am I person driven by fears.
Being a Humanist, I am aware that I need to contribute to the good of
world, that has given me my life and everything else that I have and I am very happy contributing to Linux and Koha in my own way. *I have not done much, with my more than 400 Libraries to my credit, I wonder if this is negligible.*
And, for that "crime" (if that's how these people will prefer to term it), as its being labelled by some ignorant ones, if you think Koha community will be happier without me on the list, let's set the new standards.
I am quiet aware that Koha is a community thing and fortunately not a personal property of anyone, and due to that fact alone, it is important, that, as a Community, we set the highest standards, which are not driven by the fears of a few ignorant ones, but by the bold-selfless actions of
who do for the society.
I look forward to hearing from you on this.
I assure you that, very soon, you will find me increasingly active on
or the providing this process, this those the
list.
By the way, my request of adding my new company "Best Book Buddies" to the list of service providers is pending for around a year.
Sudhir Gandotra www.bestbookbuddies.com +91-9810120918 <+91%2098101%2020918>
On Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 6:37 PM, Jonathan Druart < jonathan.druart@bugs.koha-community.org> wrote:
I have sent them several emails and they never answered. They are already
on my list of companies to remove from the list.
Cheers, Jonathan
On Fri, 4 Aug 2017 at 08:56 Owen Leonard <oleonard@myacpl.org> wrote:
Has anyone else received spam from "BestBookBuddies - an Initiative > of: OpenLX Technologies Pvt. Ltd." ? They recently spammed me and > everyone else on my library's contact page. > > If it were up to me they would be removed from the list of paid > support providers, but I don't think the rules explicitly forbid > sending spam. > > -- Owen > > -- > Web Developer > Athens County Public Libraries > http://www.myacpl.org > ------------------------------ > > Koha mailing list http://koha-community.org > Koha@lists.katipo.co.nz > https://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha
------------------------------
Koha mailing list http://koha-community.org Koha@lists.katipo.co.nz https://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha
-- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
-- *Kind Regards** with Season's Greetings,* *Sudhir Gandotra |* * C. E. O.* *OpenLX Technologies Pvt. Ltd.,* *Regd. Office : F-34/5, Okhla Indl Area, Phase-II, **New Delhi - 110020, INDIA* *Websites:www.openlx.com <http://www.openlx.com/>* | *E-Mail: info@openlx.com <info@openlx.com> | <http://goog_1154387719>**www.kalculate.com* <http://www.kalculate.com> * <http://openlx.com/> * <http://koha.openlx.com/> [image: http://openlx.com/dspace.html] <http://openlx.com/dspace.html> *Office: +91-11-2638-5034 <+91%2011%202638%205034>, **+91-11-2638-5035 <+91%2011%202638%205035>* | *Mobile: +91-98101-20918 <+91%2098101%2020918>* *Kalculate Datasheet <http://www.kalculate.com/downloads/kalculate_brochure.pdf> | Kalculate Introduction <http://www.kalculate.com/downloads/kalculate_introduction.pdf> | OpenLX Profile <http://openlx.com/downloads/openlx_technologies_profile.pdf> | OpenLX for Government <http://www.kalculate.com/downloads/openlx_for_government.pdf> Newsletter_Jan-16 <http://www.kalculate.com/newsletter_jan16.pdf>* *Linux Download <http://openlx.com/openlx-linux/download-linux.html> | Careers <http://openlx.com/careers.html> | Training <http://openlx.com/openlx-linux/training.html> | Enquiry <http://openlx.com/enq/>** | Clients <http://www.openlx.com/client_list.png>** | OpenLX on FB <https://www.facebook.com/openlxlinux> | LinkedIN <http://www.linkedin.com/company/2938809>* * | Kalculate on FB <https://www.facebook.com/businessdesktop>*
*Koha Online Demo <http://koha.openlx.com> | DSpace Online Demo <http://dspace.openlx.com:8080/jspui>*
-- *Kind Regards** with Season's Greetings,* *Sudhir Gandotra |* * C. E. O.* *OpenLX Technologies Pvt. Ltd.,* *Regd. Office : F-34/5, Okhla Indl Area, Phase-II, **New Delhi - 110020, INDIA* *Websites:www.openlx.com <http://www.openlx.com/>* | *E-Mail: info@openlx.com <info@openlx.com> | <http://goog_1154387719>**www.kalculate.com* <http://www.kalculate.com> * <http://openlx.com/> * <http://koha.openlx.com/> [image: http://openlx.com/dspace.html] <http://openlx.com/dspace.html> *Office: +91-11-2638-5034, **+91-11-2638-5035* | *Mobile: +91-98101-20918* *Kalculate Datasheet <http://www.kalculate.com/downloads/kalculate_brochure.pdf> | Kalculate Introduction <http://www.kalculate.com/downloads/kalculate_introduction.pdf> | OpenLX Profile <http://openlx.com/downloads/openlx_technologies_profile.pdf> | OpenLX for Government <http://www.kalculate.com/downloads/openlx_for_government.pdf> Newsletter_Jan-16 <http://www.kalculate.com/newsletter_jan16.pdf>* *Linux Download <http://openlx.com/openlx-linux/download-linux.html> | Careers <http://openlx.com/careers.html> | Training <http://openlx.com/openlx-linux/training.html> | Enquiry <http://openlx.com/enq/>** | Clients <http://www.openlx.com/client_list.png>** | OpenLX on FB <https://www.facebook.com/openlxlinux> | LinkedIN <http://www.linkedin.com/company/2938809>* * | Kalculate on FB <https://www.facebook.com/businessdesktop>*
*Koha Online Demo <http://koha.openlx.com> | DSpace Online Demo <http://dspace.openlx.com:8080/jspui>* _______________________________________________ Koha mailing list http://koha-community.org Koha@lists.katipo.co.nz https://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha
I would like to have a copy of this alleged mail, with complete headers. Sudhir Gandotra On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 10:11 AM, vikram zadgaonkar < vikramczadgaonkar@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear All, From yesterday we are getting sale/marketing spam emails from sudhir@openlx.com email ID for *www.BestBookBuddies.com <http://www.bestbookbuddies.com/> *. I believe others are also facing this problem. I request to address this issue.
Vikram Zadgaonkar
On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 1:09 AM, Sudhir Gandotra @ Kalculate < sudhir@kalculate.com> wrote:
Thanks Jonathan, for pointing out that link on lislinks.com - it was a un-intended mistake - not knowing that replying to different people would get consolidated on one page. I have now deleted them, and will take care of such things in future.
My new request for registration can be the consolidation of earlier listings.
Best wishes,
Sudhir Gandotra www.bestbookbuddies.com
On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 12:15 AM, Jonathan Druart < jonathan.druart@bugs.koha-community.org> wrote:
This is spam: http://www.lislinks.com/forum/topics/how-to-import-data- from-libsys-to-koha
Moreover the request you made got an answer: https://lists.katipo. co.nz/pipermail/koha/2016-November/046546.html => OpenLX is already listed. By the way the link to the demo is down.
On Tue, 8 Aug 2017 at 15:26 Sudhir Gandotra @ Kalculate < sudhir@kalculate.com> wrote:
Well Chris Cormack, It will be very interesting to note that a Koha Service Provider with over 400 Libraries to his credit, will be removed from the official list, because he sent a mail to a Library informing about his Koha Services.
It will be an interesting standard to be fixed for this community and to be watched closely by many in the future.
It is interesting to note that while you do not rightly want to be part of the trouble between some service providers, you seem to be influenced by some of them. I hope I will be proven wrong on this point, which seems to be clear conclusion from what you wrote.
*By the way, how do we decide that my mail to a library, a direct mail sent to them, can be termed as a spam ?*
*Since when, did people start talking of their services only when someone asks for them ?*
I trust the common sense will prevail and all of us will remain promoting Koha and not the fears of some people around here.
By the way, my request for being listed as a Koha service provider (BestBook Buddies.com) is still not approved and I have resent the request today.
Sudhir Gandotra
On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 11:42 PM, Chris Cormack <chrisc@catalyst.net.nz
wrote:
Just a quick note, unsolicited emails, or spam as it is commonly known is indeed a crime in some jurisdictions. And in almost every one it is against convention.
I'm not going to respond to the rest of your email which reads as a personal fight between you and other Indian Koha developers/companies. Please leave this kind of email off the list in future.
And if you plan to continue to send unsolicited emails to people then I think the request to remove the listing should stand
Chris
On 9 August 2017 5:58:37 AM NZST, "Sudhir Gandotra @ Kalculate" < sudhir@kalculate.com> wrote:
Dear Jonathan Druart,
I am rather surprised to note this mail.
The only mail that I see from you to me was as below :
------------------------------
Jonathan Druart <jonathan.druart@bugs.koha-community.org> May 17 to koha
Dear Sudhir Gandotra,
You are receiving this email because you are listed as a paid support company on the Koha community website (https://koha-community.org/su pport/paid-support).
We are updating the list of paid support companies for Koha on our community website. Please, after reading this email, either hit
complete the form mentioned below to confirm you are still an active support company.
The next development cycle of Koha (17.11) is going to start before
month of May is out. Over the next 6 months we will be building the latest, even more awesome, release of Koha. We strongly believe that having everybody involved is fundamental to achieving this.
We want to build a task force and for that, we need to know who can commit time and effort that we can count on, in order to estimate the goals we can reach. Even if you have never been involved in the Koha community but are using Koha, you can help us by committing just a few hours each month: library workers or support companies can contribute massively by
reply or the providing
feedback, testing patches, contributing to the documentation or by getting involved in other specific tasks. Even if you do not know how to code you can help shape the next release and improve Koha. If you want to help, or if you have specific requests for this release, please let us know by completing this form:
https://framaforms.org/ready-to-help-the-koha-community-1493918217 < >
Just a couple of hours per month dedicated to the project is a huge help!
Best regards, Jonathan Druart on behalf of the Koha community
------------------------------
I have not replied to it, as I am usually been travelling
the last 12 months, but, within our team, we are discussing as to how we can take this forward and start contributing to the Koha community in future, starting in next few months.
*On the other hand, I would like to share the following with you :*
As duly acknowledged by the Koha community here, we are the entity (then known as Indserve Infotech Pvt. Ltd.) that introduced Koha in India with the first commercially done Koha implementation at Delhi Pubic Library, in 2007-08, for which I can show you the formal purchase order also. Its another story that our trainee-engineer, who was trained by us on this project, left us, cheated us, took away the clients we were negotiating and harmed our work seriously, went to another company and is active on Koha even now. We were forced to lie low for a while (due to illegal actions of a large MNC against us) and restarted our activities in a big way again in 2010, and after creating over 165 clients across 15 countries, have now taken Koha to new level, whereby we are offering the complete services free of cost and this is taking us places.
The amount of publicity, growth and expansion that we have done with Koha is tremendous when you see the number of clients, the spread of these clients, and their support to us because of un-breaking services.
I am aware that people like Vinod Mishra and some others are quiet jealous of us and now with these free services, they are, possibly, afraid of losing their business. And, because of this, they find all kinds of excuses of speaking against us with clients and here also on the list.
I see no reason for deleting our name, because, caused by such negative people, it will only give bad name to the whole of community, a cause to which we have given our full support form the very beginning. And, moreover, we have done nothing against Koha. Rather, with the number of libraries to our credit, we are among the biggest providers of Koha services.
To promote our services, we do send mails to libraries and in that
extensively for process,
the mail went to mycpl.org also. Owen Leonard felt bad about it, wrote to me, and I replied to him with my apologies, as our intentions have solely been to promote Koha. However, there is no law or convention that says that a Koha service provider cannot send promotional mails to libraries. Please help me understand this point better, if I am missing something.
I will not speak against any of them, as, that is neither my style, nor am I person driven by fears.
Being a Humanist, I am aware that I need to contribute to the good of this world, that has given me my life and everything else that I have and I am very happy contributing to Linux and Koha in my own way. *I have not done much, with my more than 400 Libraries to my credit, I wonder if this is negligible.*
And, for that "crime" (if that's how these people will prefer to term it), as its being labelled by some ignorant ones, if you think Koha community will be happier without me on the list, let's set the new standards.
I am quiet aware that Koha is a community thing and fortunately not a personal property of anyone, and due to that fact alone, it is important, that, as a Community, we set the highest standards, which are not driven by the fears of a few ignorant ones, but by the bold-selfless actions of those who do for the society.
I look forward to hearing from you on this.
I assure you that, very soon, you will find me increasingly active on the list.
By the way, my request of adding my new company "Best Book Buddies" to the list of service providers is pending for around a year.
Sudhir Gandotra www.bestbookbuddies.com +91-9810120918 <+91%2098101%2020918>
On Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 6:37 PM, Jonathan Druart < jonathan.druart@bugs.koha-community.org> wrote:
I have sent them several emails and they never answered. They are already > on my list of companies to remove from the list. > > Cheers, > Jonathan > > On Fri, 4 Aug 2017 at 08:56 Owen Leonard <oleonard@myacpl.org> wrote: > > Has anyone else received spam from "BestBookBuddies - an Initiative >> of: OpenLX Technologies Pvt. Ltd." ? They recently spammed me and >> everyone else on my library's contact page. >> >> If it were up to me they would be removed from the list of paid >> support providers, but I don't think the rules explicitly forbid >> sending spam. >> >> -- Owen >> >> -- >> Web Developer >> Athens County Public Libraries >> http://www.myacpl.org >> ------------------------------ >> >> Koha mailing list http://koha-community.org >> Koha@lists.katipo.co.nz >> https://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha > > > ------------------------------ > > Koha mailing list http://koha-community.org > Koha@lists.katipo.co.nz > https://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha
-- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
-- *Kind Regards** with Season's Greetings,* *Sudhir Gandotra |* * C. E. O.* *OpenLX Technologies Pvt. Ltd.,* *Regd. Office : F-34/5, Okhla <https://maps.google.com/?q=34/5,+Okhla&entry=gmail&source=g> Indl Area, Phase-II, **New Delhi - 110020, INDIA* *Websites:www.openlx.com <http://www.openlx.com/>* | *E-Mail: info@openlx.com <info@openlx.com> | <http://goog_1154387719>**www.kalculate.com* <http://www.kalculate.com> * <http://openlx.com/> * <http://koha.openlx.com/> [image: http://openlx.com/dspace.html] <http://openlx.com/dspace.html> *Office: +91-11-2638-5034 <+91%2011%202638%205034>, **+91-11-2638-5035 <+91%2011%202638%205035>* | *Mobile: +91-98101-20918 <+91%2098101%2020918>* *Kalculate Datasheet <http://www.kalculate.com/downloads/kalculate_brochure.pdf> | Kalculate Introduction <http://www.kalculate.com/downloads/kalculate_introduction.pdf> | OpenLX Profile <http://openlx.com/downloads/openlx_technologies_profile.pdf> | OpenLX for Government <http://www.kalculate.com/downloads/openlx_for_government.pdf> Newsletter_Jan-16 <http://www.kalculate.com/newsletter_jan16.pdf>* *Linux Download <http://openlx.com/openlx-linux/download-linux.html> | Careers <http://openlx.com/careers.html> | Training <http://openlx.com/openlx-linux/training.html> | Enquiry <http://openlx.com/enq/>** | Clients <http://www.openlx.com/client_list.png>** | OpenLX on FB <https://www.facebook.com/openlxlinux> | LinkedIN <http://www.linkedin.com/company/2938809>* * | Kalculate on FB <https://www.facebook.com/businessdesktop>*
*Koha Online Demo <http://koha.openlx.com> | DSpace Online Demo <http://dspace.openlx.com:8080/jspui>*
-- *Kind Regards** with Season's Greetings,* *Sudhir Gandotra |* * C. E. O.* *OpenLX Technologies Pvt. Ltd.,* *Regd. Office : F-34/5, Okhla <https://maps.google.com/?q=34/5,+Okhla&entry=gmail&source=g> Indl Area, Phase-II, **New Delhi - 110020, INDIA* *Websites:www.openlx.com <http://www.openlx.com/>* | *E-Mail: info@openlx.com <info@openlx.com> | <http://goog_1154387719>**www.kalculate.com* <http://www.kalculate.com> * <http://openlx.com/> * <http://koha.openlx.com/> [image: http://openlx.com/dspace.html] <http://openlx.com/dspace.html> *Office: +91-11-2638-5034, **+91-11-2638-5035* | *Mobile: +91-98101-20918* *Kalculate Datasheet <http://www.kalculate.com/downloads/kalculate_brochure.pdf> | Kalculate Introduction <http://www.kalculate.com/downloads/kalculate_introduction.pdf> | OpenLX Profile <http://openlx.com/downloads/openlx_technologies_profile.pdf> | OpenLX for Government <http://www.kalculate.com/downloads/openlx_for_government.pdf> Newsletter_Jan-16 <http://www.kalculate.com/newsletter_jan16.pdf>* *Linux Download <http://openlx.com/openlx-linux/download-linux.html> | Careers <http://openlx.com/careers.html> | Training <http://openlx.com/openlx-linux/training.html> | Enquiry <http://openlx.com/enq/>** | Clients <http://www.openlx.com/client_list.png>** | OpenLX on FB <https://www.facebook.com/openlxlinux> | LinkedIN <http://www.linkedin.com/company/2938809>* * | Kalculate on FB <https://www.facebook.com/businessdesktop>*
*Koha Online Demo <http://koha.openlx.com> | DSpace Online Demo <http://dspace.openlx.com:8080/jspui>* _______________________________________________ Koha mailing list http://koha-community.org Koha@lists.katipo.co.nz https://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha
-- *Kind Regards** with Season's Greetings,* *Sudhir Gandotra |* * C. E. O.* *OpenLX Technologies Pvt. Ltd.,* *Regd. Office : F-34/5, Okhla Indl Area, Phase-II, **New Delhi - 110020, INDIA* *Websites:www.openlx.com <http://www.openlx.com/>* | *E-Mail: info@openlx.com <info@openlx.com> | <http://goog_1154387719>**www.kalculate.com* <http://www.kalculate.com> * <http://openlx.com/> * <http://koha.openlx.com/> [image: http://openlx.com/dspace.html] <http://openlx.com/dspace.html> *Office: +91-11-2638-5034, **+91-11-2638-5035* | *Mobile: +91-98101-20918* *Kalculate Datasheet <http://www.kalculate.com/downloads/kalculate_brochure.pdf> | Kalculate Introduction <http://www.kalculate.com/downloads/kalculate_introduction.pdf> | OpenLX Profile <http://openlx.com/downloads/openlx_technologies_profile.pdf> | OpenLX for Government <http://www.kalculate.com/downloads/openlx_for_government.pdf> Newsletter_Jan-16 <http://www.kalculate.com/newsletter_jan16.pdf>* *Linux Download <http://openlx.com/openlx-linux/download-linux.html> | Careers <http://openlx.com/careers.html> | Training <http://openlx.com/openlx-linux/training.html> | Enquiry <http://openlx.com/enq/>** | Clients <http://www.openlx.com/client_list.png>** | OpenLX on FB <https://www.facebook.com/openlxlinux> | LinkedIN <http://www.linkedin.com/company/2938809>* * | Kalculate on FB <https://www.facebook.com/businessdesktop>* *Koha Online Demo <http://koha.openlx.com> | DSpace Online Demo <http://dspace.openlx.com:8080/jspui>*
This is what I get from the discussion so far as facts that concern the community: - You never replied to Jonathan or filled out the form. That's why you ended up on the list of companies to be removed from the directory. - You sent unsolicited emails advertising your servies to a library in the US. I can tell you that this kind of action is frowned upon not only in the US, but in Germany too. Everything else you write about I have no idea about nor do I think this is the right place to discuss it. Katrin On 08.08.2017 20:26, Sudhir Gandotra @ Kalculate wrote:
Well Chris Cormack, It will be very interesting to note that a Koha Service Provider with over 400 Libraries to his credit, will be removed from the official list, because he sent a mail to a Library informing about his Koha Services.
It will be an interesting standard to be fixed for this community and to be watched closely by many in the future.
It is interesting to note that while you do not rightly want to be part of the trouble between some service providers, you seem to be influenced by some of them. I hope I will be proven wrong on this point, which seems to be clear conclusion from what you wrote.
*By the way, how do we decide that my mail to a library, a direct mail sent to them, can be termed as a spam ?*
*Since when, did people start talking of their services only when someone asks for them ?*
I trust the common sense will prevail and all of us will remain promoting Koha and not the fears of some people around here.
By the way, my request for being listed as a Koha service provider (BestBook Buddies.com) is still not approved and I have resent the request today.
Sudhir Gandotra
On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 11:42 PM, Chris Cormack <chrisc@catalyst.net.nz> wrote:
Just a quick note, unsolicited emails, or spam as it is commonly known is indeed a crime in some jurisdictions. And in almost every one it is against convention.
I'm not going to respond to the rest of your email which reads as a personal fight between you and other Indian Koha developers/companies. Please leave this kind of email off the list in future.
And if you plan to continue to send unsolicited emails to people then I think the request to remove the listing should stand
Chris
On 9 August 2017 5:58:37 AM NZST, "Sudhir Gandotra @ Kalculate" < sudhir@kalculate.com> wrote:
Dear Jonathan Druart,
I am rather surprised to note this mail.
The only mail that I see from you to me was as below :
------------------------------
Jonathan Druart <jonathan.druart@bugs.koha-community.org> May 17 to koha
Dear Sudhir Gandotra,
You are receiving this email because you are listed as a paid support company on the Koha community website (https://koha-community.org/su pport/paid-support).
We are updating the list of paid support companies for Koha on our community website. Please, after reading this email, either hit reply or complete the form mentioned below to confirm you are still an active support company.
The next development cycle of Koha (17.11) is going to start before the month of May is out. Over the next 6 months we will be building the latest, even more awesome, release of Koha. We strongly believe that having everybody involved is fundamental to achieving this.
We want to build a task force and for that, we need to know who can commit time and effort that we can count on, in order to estimate the goals we can reach. Even if you have never been involved in the Koha community but are using Koha, you can help us by committing just a few hours each month: library workers or support companies can contribute massively by providing feedback, testing patches, contributing to the documentation or by getting involved in other specific tasks. Even if you do not know how to code you can help shape the next release and improve Koha. If you want to help, or if you have specific requests for this release, please let us know by completing this form:
https://framaforms.org/ready-to-help-the-koha-community-1493918217 < Just a couple of hours per month dedicated to the project is a huge help!
Best regards, Jonathan Druart on behalf of the Koha community
------------------------------
I have not replied to it, as I am usually been travelling extensively for the last 12 months, but, within our team, we are discussing as to how we can take this forward and start contributing to the Koha community in future, starting in next few months.
*On the other hand, I would like to share the following with you :*
As duly acknowledged by the Koha community here, we are the entity (then known as Indserve Infotech Pvt. Ltd.) that introduced Koha in India with the first commercially done Koha implementation at Delhi Pubic Library, in 2007-08, for which I can show you the formal purchase order also. Its another story that our trainee-engineer, who was trained by us on this project, left us, cheated us, took away the clients we were negotiating and harmed our work seriously, went to another company and is active on Koha even now. We were forced to lie low for a while (due to illegal actions of a large MNC against us) and restarted our activities in a big way again in 2010, and after creating over 165 clients across 15 countries, have now taken Koha to new level, whereby we are offering the complete services free of cost and this is taking us places.
The amount of publicity, growth and expansion that we have done with Koha is tremendous when you see the number of clients, the spread of these clients, and their support to us because of un-breaking services.
I am aware that people like Vinod Mishra and some others are quiet jealous of us and now with these free services, they are, possibly, afraid of losing their business. And, because of this, they find all kinds of excuses of speaking against us with clients and here also on the list.
I see no reason for deleting our name, because, caused by such negative people, it will only give bad name to the whole of community, a cause to which we have given our full support form the very beginning. And, moreover, we have done nothing against Koha. Rather, with the number of libraries to our credit, we are among the biggest providers of Koha services.
To promote our services, we do send mails to libraries and in that process, the mail went to mycpl.org also. Owen Leonard felt bad about it, wrote to me, and I replied to him with my apologies, as our intentions have solely been to promote Koha. However, there is no law or convention that says that a Koha service provider cannot send promotional mails to libraries. Please help me understand this point better, if I am missing something.
I will not speak against any of them, as, that is neither my style, nor am I person driven by fears.
Being a Humanist, I am aware that I need to contribute to the good of this world, that has given me my life and everything else that I have and I am very happy contributing to Linux and Koha in my own way. *I have not done much, with my more than 400 Libraries to my credit, I wonder if this is negligible.*
And, for that "crime" (if that's how these people will prefer to term it), as its being labelled by some ignorant ones, if you think Koha community will be happier without me on the list, let's set the new standards.
I am quiet aware that Koha is a community thing and fortunately not a personal property of anyone, and due to that fact alone, it is important, that, as a Community, we set the highest standards, which are not driven by the fears of a few ignorant ones, but by the bold-selfless actions of those who do for the society.
I look forward to hearing from you on this.
I assure you that, very soon, you will find me increasingly active on the list.
By the way, my request of adding my new company "Best Book Buddies" to the list of service providers is pending for around a year.
Sudhir Gandotra www.bestbookbuddies.com +91-9810120918
On Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 6:37 PM, Jonathan Druart < jonathan.druart@bugs.koha-community.org> wrote:
I have sent them several emails and they never answered. They are already
on my list of companies to remove from the list.
Cheers, Jonathan
On Fri, 4 Aug 2017 at 08:56 Owen Leonard <oleonard@myacpl.org> wrote:
Has anyone else received spam from "BestBookBuddies - an Initiative
of: OpenLX Technologies Pvt. Ltd." ? They recently spammed me and everyone else on my library's contact page.
If it were up to me they would be removed from the list of paid support providers, but I don't think the rules explicitly forbid sending spam.
-- Owen
-- Web Developer Athens County Public Libraries http://www.myacpl.org ------------------------------
Koha mailing list http://koha-community.org Koha@lists.katipo.co.nz https://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha
------------------------------
Koha mailing list http://koha-community.org Koha@lists.katipo.co.nz https://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha
-- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
There we go again - 'official list' as if it has some status other than as a yellow pages directory. I suspect the noise from the sub-continent particularly will increase, whilst very little comes back to the project. I think we should just get rid of that page from the website. My 2 cents, Bob Birchall Calyx On 09/08/17 04:26, Sudhir Gandotra @ Kalculate wrote:
Well Chris Cormack, It will be very interesting to note that a Koha Service Provider with over 400 Libraries to his credit, will be removed from the official list, because he sent a mail to a Library informing about his Koha Services.
It will be an interesting standard to be fixed for this community and to be watched closely by many in the future.
It is interesting to note that while you do not rightly want to be part of the trouble between some service providers, you seem to be influenced by some of them. I hope I will be proven wrong on this point, which seems to be clear conclusion from what you wrote.
*By the way, how do we decide that my mail to a library, a direct mail sent to them, can be termed as a spam ?*
*Since when, did people start talking of their services only when someone asks for them ?*
I trust the common sense will prevail and all of us will remain promoting Koha and not the fears of some people around here.
By the way, my request for being listed as a Koha service provider (BestBook Buddies.com) is still not approved and I have resent the request today.
Sudhir Gandotra
On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 11:42 PM, Chris Cormack <chrisc@catalyst.net.nz> wrote:
Just a quick note, unsolicited emails, or spam as it is commonly known is indeed a crime in some jurisdictions. And in almost every one it is against convention.
I'm not going to respond to the rest of your email which reads as a personal fight between you and other Indian Koha developers/companies. Please leave this kind of email off the list in future.
And if you plan to continue to send unsolicited emails to people then I think the request to remove the listing should stand
Chris
On 9 August 2017 5:58:37 AM NZST, "Sudhir Gandotra @ Kalculate" < sudhir@kalculate.com> wrote:
Dear Jonathan Druart,
I am rather surprised to note this mail.
The only mail that I see from you to me was as below :
------------------------------
Jonathan Druart <jonathan.druart@bugs.koha-community.org> May 17 to koha
Dear Sudhir Gandotra,
You are receiving this email because you are listed as a paid support company on the Koha community website (https://koha-community.org/su pport/paid-support).
We are updating the list of paid support companies for Koha on our community website. Please, after reading this email, either hit reply or complete the form mentioned below to confirm you are still an active support company.
The next development cycle of Koha (17.11) is going to start before the month of May is out. Over the next 6 months we will be building the latest, even more awesome, release of Koha. We strongly believe that having everybody involved is fundamental to achieving this.
We want to build a task force and for that, we need to know who can commit time and effort that we can count on, in order to estimate the goals we can reach. Even if you have never been involved in the Koha community but are using Koha, you can help us by committing just a few hours each month: library workers or support companies can contribute massively by providing feedback, testing patches, contributing to the documentation or by getting involved in other specific tasks. Even if you do not know how to code you can help shape the next release and improve Koha. If you want to help, or if you have specific requests for this release, please let us know by completing this form:
https://framaforms.org/ready-to-help-the-koha-community-1493918217 < Just a couple of hours per month dedicated to the project is a huge help!
Best regards, Jonathan Druart on behalf of the Koha community
------------------------------
I have not replied to it, as I am usually been travelling extensively for the last 12 months, but, within our team, we are discussing as to how we can take this forward and start contributing to the Koha community in future, starting in next few months.
*On the other hand, I would like to share the following with you :*
As duly acknowledged by the Koha community here, we are the entity (then known as Indserve Infotech Pvt. Ltd.) that introduced Koha in India with the first commercially done Koha implementation at Delhi Pubic Library, in 2007-08, for which I can show you the formal purchase order also. Its another story that our trainee-engineer, who was trained by us on this project, left us, cheated us, took away the clients we were negotiating and harmed our work seriously, went to another company and is active on Koha even now. We were forced to lie low for a while (due to illegal actions of a large MNC against us) and restarted our activities in a big way again in 2010, and after creating over 165 clients across 15 countries, have now taken Koha to new level, whereby we are offering the complete services free of cost and this is taking us places.
The amount of publicity, growth and expansion that we have done with Koha is tremendous when you see the number of clients, the spread of these clients, and their support to us because of un-breaking services.
I am aware that people like Vinod Mishra and some others are quiet jealous of us and now with these free services, they are, possibly, afraid of losing their business. And, because of this, they find all kinds of excuses of speaking against us with clients and here also on the list.
I see no reason for deleting our name, because, caused by such negative people, it will only give bad name to the whole of community, a cause to which we have given our full support form the very beginning. And, moreover, we have done nothing against Koha. Rather, with the number of libraries to our credit, we are among the biggest providers of Koha services.
To promote our services, we do send mails to libraries and in that process, the mail went to mycpl.org also. Owen Leonard felt bad about it, wrote to me, and I replied to him with my apologies, as our intentions have solely been to promote Koha. However, there is no law or convention that says that a Koha service provider cannot send promotional mails to libraries. Please help me understand this point better, if I am missing something.
I will not speak against any of them, as, that is neither my style, nor am I person driven by fears.
Being a Humanist, I am aware that I need to contribute to the good of this world, that has given me my life and everything else that I have and I am very happy contributing to Linux and Koha in my own way. *I have not done much, with my more than 400 Libraries to my credit, I wonder if this is negligible.*
And, for that "crime" (if that's how these people will prefer to term it), as its being labelled by some ignorant ones, if you think Koha community will be happier without me on the list, let's set the new standards.
I am quiet aware that Koha is a community thing and fortunately not a personal property of anyone, and due to that fact alone, it is important, that, as a Community, we set the highest standards, which are not driven by the fears of a few ignorant ones, but by the bold-selfless actions of those who do for the society.
I look forward to hearing from you on this.
I assure you that, very soon, you will find me increasingly active on the list.
By the way, my request of adding my new company "Best Book Buddies" to the list of service providers is pending for around a year.
Sudhir Gandotra www.bestbookbuddies.com +91-9810120918
On Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 6:37 PM, Jonathan Druart < jonathan.druart@bugs.koha-community.org> wrote:
I have sent them several emails and they never answered. They are already
on my list of companies to remove from the list.
Cheers, Jonathan
On Fri, 4 Aug 2017 at 08:56 Owen Leonard <oleonard@myacpl.org> wrote:
Has anyone else received spam from "BestBookBuddies - an Initiative
of: OpenLX Technologies Pvt. Ltd." ? They recently spammed me and everyone else on my library's contact page.
If it were up to me they would be removed from the list of paid support providers, but I don't think the rules explicitly forbid sending spam.
-- Owen
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Hi Bob I too would happily see the paid support listings disappear from the koha-community.org website. Chris On 9 August 2017 at 12:21, Bob Birchall <bob@calyx.net.au> wrote:
There we go again - 'official list' as if it has some status other than as a yellow pages directory. I suspect the noise from the sub-continent particularly will increase, whilst very little comes back to the project. I think we should just get rid of that page from the website. My 2 cents, Bob Birchall Calyx
On 09/08/17 04:26, Sudhir Gandotra @ Kalculate wrote:
Well Chris Cormack, It will be very interesting to note that a Koha Service Provider with over 400 Libraries to his credit, will be removed from the official list, because he sent a mail to a Library informing about his Koha Services.
It will be an interesting standard to be fixed for this community and to be watched closely by many in the future.
It is interesting to note that while you do not rightly want to be part of the trouble between some service providers, you seem to be influenced by some of them. I hope I will be proven wrong on this point, which seems to be clear conclusion from what you wrote.
*By the way, how do we decide that my mail to a library, a direct mail sent to them, can be termed as a spam ?*
*Since when, did people start talking of their services only when someone asks for them ?*
I trust the common sense will prevail and all of us will remain promoting Koha and not the fears of some people around here.
By the way, my request for being listed as a Koha service provider (BestBook Buddies.com) is still not approved and I have resent the request today.
Sudhir Gandotra
On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 11:42 PM, Chris Cormack <chrisc@catalyst.net.nz> wrote:
Just a quick note, unsolicited emails, or spam as it is commonly known is indeed a crime in some jurisdictions. And in almost every one it is against convention.
I'm not going to respond to the rest of your email which reads as a personal fight between you and other Indian Koha developers/companies. Please leave this kind of email off the list in future.
And if you plan to continue to send unsolicited emails to people then I think the request to remove the listing should stand
Chris
On 9 August 2017 5:58:37 AM NZST, "Sudhir Gandotra @ Kalculate" < sudhir@kalculate.com> wrote:
Dear Jonathan Druart,
I am rather surprised to note this mail.
The only mail that I see from you to me was as below :
------------------------------
Jonathan Druart <jonathan.druart@bugs.koha-community.org> May 17 to koha
Dear Sudhir Gandotra,
You are receiving this email because you are listed as a paid support company on the Koha community website (https://koha-community.org/su pport/paid-support).
We are updating the list of paid support companies for Koha on our community website. Please, after reading this email, either hit reply or complete the form mentioned below to confirm you are still an active support company.
The next development cycle of Koha (17.11) is going to start before the month of May is out. Over the next 6 months we will be building the latest, even more awesome, release of Koha. We strongly believe that having everybody involved is fundamental to achieving this.
We want to build a task force and for that, we need to know who can commit time and effort that we can count on, in order to estimate the goals we can reach. Even if you have never been involved in the Koha community but are using Koha, you can help us by committing just a few hours each month: library workers or support companies can contribute massively by providing feedback, testing patches, contributing to the documentation or by getting involved in other specific tasks. Even if you do not know how to code you can help shape the next release and improve Koha. If you want to help, or if you have specific requests for this release, please let us know by completing this form:
https://framaforms.org/ready-to-help-the-koha-community-1493918217 < Just a couple of hours per month dedicated to the project is a huge help!
Best regards, Jonathan Druart on behalf of the Koha community
------------------------------
I have not replied to it, as I am usually been travelling extensively for the last 12 months, but, within our team, we are discussing as to how we can take this forward and start contributing to the Koha community in future, starting in next few months.
*On the other hand, I would like to share the following with you :*
As duly acknowledged by the Koha community here, we are the entity (then known as Indserve Infotech Pvt. Ltd.) that introduced Koha in India with the first commercially done Koha implementation at Delhi Pubic Library, in 2007-08, for which I can show you the formal purchase order also. Its another story that our trainee-engineer, who was trained by us on this project, left us, cheated us, took away the clients we were negotiating and harmed our work seriously, went to another company and is active on Koha even now. We were forced to lie low for a while (due to illegal actions of a large MNC against us) and restarted our activities in a big way again in 2010, and after creating over 165 clients across 15 countries, have now taken Koha to new level, whereby we are offering the complete services free of cost and this is taking us places.
The amount of publicity, growth and expansion that we have done with Koha is tremendous when you see the number of clients, the spread of these clients, and their support to us because of un-breaking services.
I am aware that people like Vinod Mishra and some others are quiet jealous of us and now with these free services, they are, possibly, afraid of losing their business. And, because of this, they find all kinds of excuses of speaking against us with clients and here also on the list.
I see no reason for deleting our name, because, caused by such negative people, it will only give bad name to the whole of community, a cause to which we have given our full support form the very beginning. And, moreover, we have done nothing against Koha. Rather, with the number of libraries to our credit, we are among the biggest providers of Koha services.
To promote our services, we do send mails to libraries and in that process, the mail went to mycpl.org also. Owen Leonard felt bad about it, wrote to me, and I replied to him with my apologies, as our intentions have solely been to promote Koha. However, there is no law or convention that says that a Koha service provider cannot send promotional mails to libraries. Please help me understand this point better, if I am missing something.
I will not speak against any of them, as, that is neither my style, nor am I person driven by fears.
Being a Humanist, I am aware that I need to contribute to the good of this world, that has given me my life and everything else that I have and I am very happy contributing to Linux and Koha in my own way. *I have not done much, with my more than 400 Libraries to my credit, I wonder if this is negligible.*
And, for that "crime" (if that's how these people will prefer to term it), as its being labelled by some ignorant ones, if you think Koha community will be happier without me on the list, let's set the new standards.
I am quiet aware that Koha is a community thing and fortunately not a personal property of anyone, and due to that fact alone, it is important, that, as a Community, we set the highest standards, which are not driven by the fears of a few ignorant ones, but by the bold-selfless actions of those who do for the society.
I look forward to hearing from you on this.
I assure you that, very soon, you will find me increasingly active on the list.
By the way, my request of adding my new company "Best Book Buddies" to the list of service providers is pending for around a year.
Sudhir Gandotra www.bestbookbuddies.com +91-9810120918
On Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 6:37 PM, Jonathan Druart < jonathan.druart@bugs.koha-community.org> wrote:
I have sent them several emails and they never answered. They are already
on my list of companies to remove from the list.
Cheers, Jonathan
On Fri, 4 Aug 2017 at 08:56 Owen Leonard <oleonard@myacpl.org> wrote:
Has anyone else received spam from "BestBookBuddies - an Initiative
of: OpenLX Technologies Pvt. Ltd." ? They recently spammed me and everyone else on my library's contact page.
If it were up to me they would be removed from the list of paid support providers, but I don't think the rules explicitly forbid sending spam.
-- Owen
-- Web Developer Athens County Public Libraries http://www.myacpl.org ------------------------------
Koha mailing list http://koha-community.org Koha@lists.katipo.co.nz https://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha
------------------------------
Koha mailing list http://koha-community.org Koha@lists.katipo.co.nz https://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha
-- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
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Dear All Delist would be the best option, the reason is he do not know what he says his statement is always contradictory and misguiding all on forum, once he copied my material and watermarked his company name "bestbookbuddies" without any references/acknowledgement. Myself is not businessman and promoting open source among the libraries on voluntary basis as per terms of my service condition, since i am an Indian government servant so can't involve myself in such type of business, probably my volunteer services harmed his business indirectly a lot so the reaction is expected. "I am aware that people like Vinod Mishra and some others are quiet jealous of us and now with these free services, they are, possibly, afraid of losing their business" "I will not speak against any of them, as, that is neither my style, nor am I person driven by fears" With Regards, Vinod Kumar Mishra, Assistant Librarian, Biju Patnaik Central Library (BPCL), NIT Rourkela, Sundergadh-769008, Odisha, India. Mob:91+9439420860 Website: http://mishravk.com/ ORCID ID: http://orcid.org/0000-0003-4666-7874 *"Spiritual relationship is far more precious than physical. Physical relationship divorced from spiritual is body without soul" -- Mahatma Gandhi* On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 11:28 PM, Sudhir Gandotra @ Kalculate < sudhir@kalculate.com> wrote:
Dear Jonathan Druart,
I am rather surprised to note this mail.
The only mail that I see from you to me was as below :
================================================= Jonathan Druart <jonathan.druart@bugs.koha-community.org> May 17 to koha Dear Sudhir Gandotra,
You are receiving this email because you are listed as a paid support company on the Koha community website (https://koha-community.org/su pport/paid-support).
We are updating the list of paid support companies for Koha on our community website. Please, after reading this email, either hit reply or complete the form mentioned below to confirm you are still an active support company.
The next development cycle of Koha (17.11) is going to start before the month of May is out. Over the next 6 months we will be building the latest, even more awesome, release of Koha. We strongly believe that having everybody involved is fundamental to achieving this.
We want to build a task force and for that, we need to know who can commit time and effort that we can count on, in order to estimate the goals we can reach. Even if you have never been involved in the Koha community but are using Koha, you can help us by committing just a few hours each month: library workers or support companies can contribute massively by providing feedback, testing patches, contributing to the documentation or by getting involved in other specific tasks. Even if you do not know how to code you can help shape the next release and improve Koha. If you want to help, or if you have specific requests for this release, please let us know by completing this form:
> https://framaforms.org/ready-to-help-the-koha-community-1493918217 <
Just a couple of hours per month dedicated to the project is a huge help!
Best regards, Jonathan Druart on behalf of the Koha community
=================================================
I have not replied to it, as I am usually been travelling extensively for the last 12 months, but, within our team, we are discussing as to how we can take this forward and start contributing to the Koha community in future, starting in next few months.
*On the other hand, I would like to share the following with you :*
As duly acknowledged by the Koha community here, we are the entity (then known as Indserve Infotech Pvt. Ltd.) that introduced Koha in India with the first commercially done Koha implementation at Delhi Pubic Library, in 2007-08, for which I can show you the formal purchase order also. Its another story that our trainee-engineer, who was trained by us on this project, left us, cheated us, took away the clients we were negotiating and harmed our work seriously, went to another company and is active on Koha even now. We were forced to lie low for a while (due to illegal actions of a large MNC against us) and restarted our activities in a big way again in 2010, and after creating over 165 clients across 15 countries, have now taken Koha to new level, whereby we are offering the complete services free of cost and this is taking us places.
The amount of publicity, growth and expansion that we have done with Koha is tremendous when you see the number of clients, the spread of these clients, and their support to us because of un-breaking services.
I am aware that people like Vinod Mishra and some others are quiet jealous of us and now with these free services, they are, possibly, afraid of losing their business. And, because of this, they find all kinds of excuses of speaking against us with clients and here also on the list.
I see no reason for deleting our name, because, caused by such negative people, it will only give bad name to the whole of community, a cause to which we have given our full support form the very beginning. And, moreover, we have done nothing against Koha. Rather, with the number of libraries to our credit, we are among the biggest providers of Koha services.
To promote our services, we do send mails to libraries and in that process, the mail went to mycpl.org also. Owen Leonard felt bad about it, wrote to me, and I replied to him with my apologies, as our intentions have solely been to promote Koha. However, there is no law or convention that says that a Koha service provider cannot send promotional mails to libraries. Please help me understand this point better, if I am missing something.
I will not speak against any of them, as, that is neither my style, nor am I person driven by fears.
Being a Humanist, I am aware that I need to contribute to the good of this world, that has given me my life and everything else that I have and I am very happy contributing to Linux and Koha in my own way. *I have not done much, with my more than 400 Libraries to my credit, I wonder if this is negligible.*
And, for that "crime" (if that's how these people will prefer to term it), as its being labelled by some ignorant ones, if you think Koha community will be happier without me on the list, let's set the new standards.
I am quiet aware that Koha is a community thing and fortunately not a personal property of anyone, and due to that fact alone, it is important, that, as a Community, we set the highest standards, which are not driven by the fears of a few ignorant ones, but by the bold-selfless actions of those who do for the society.
I look forward to hearing from you on this.
I assure you that, very soon, you will find me increasingly active on the list.
By the way, my request of adding my new company "Best Book Buddies" to the list of service providers is pending for around a year.
Sudhir Gandotra www.bestbookbuddies.com +91-9810120918
On Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 6:37 PM, Jonathan Druart < jonathan.druart@bugs.koha-community.org> wrote:
I have sent them several emails and they never answered. They are already on my list of companies to remove from the list.
Cheers, Jonathan
On Fri, 4 Aug 2017 at 08:56 Owen Leonard <oleonard@myacpl.org> wrote:
Has anyone else received spam from "BestBookBuddies - an Initiative of: OpenLX Technologies Pvt. Ltd." ? They recently spammed me and everyone else on my library's contact page.
If it were up to me they would be removed from the list of paid support providers, but I don't think the rules explicitly forbid sending spam.
-- Owen
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Katrin -
Owen Leonard -
Sudhir Gandotra ＠ Kalculate -
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vinod mishra