"Nicole Engard" <nicole.engard@liblime.com> wrote:
I'm wondering what everyone thinks about setting up these boundaries and enforcing them on these lists. Basically, should this list be for Koha usage questions and the Koha Developer list be for those very techie questions about Perl and Linux and installing Koha on your own.
Yes, it should. I think the problem is that the moderators of these lists went to sleep or went away a long time ago and, over time, the list descriptions have been lost and very little moderation happens now.
Or do we need a different list for this type of thing? And if we create it will it stay that way? Or will it too turn into a list that looks awfully scary to non-programmer librarians.
If another list is required, I'd suggest koha-install, with its moderation overseen by koha-devel. "Nicole Engard" <nicole.engard@liblime.com> wrote:
Thanks for the input. Is anyone against having three lists? And does anyone know how we can make it clear what each list is for?
We've already got far more than three (this, -devel, -translate, -fr, -bugs just for me). I don't really want any more lists. We can make it clearer what each list if for by putting descriptions on http://lists.koha.org/mailman/listinfo/koha-devel and http://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha and making sure they link back to http://www.koha.org/community/mailing-lists.html (well done katipo - naughty koha.org) "Cab Vinton" <bibliwho@gmail.com> wrote:
The line between tech support & usage is often not hard-and-fast -- would predict problems in this area, with folks copying both lists ...
If it happens often, moderators should put an automatic moderation-hold on crossposts and keywords, sanction people for multi-posting and give clear advice in the list descriptions. Rachel Hamilton-Williams <rachel@katipo.co.nz> wrote:
Henri (list moderator for koha-dev) can possibly clarify, but the developer list pretty clearly says it's for developers. If we wanted to do anything there, it could be to moderate who joins the developer list.
Most of the developer list description fields are blank. I'd be in favour of moderating first-posts to the developer list (a feature of recent Mailman versions), but not moderating subscription. "Nicole Engard" <nicole.engard@liblime.com> wrote:
I would think we wouldn't want to moderate who joins lists - just because the nature of open source is that anyone can become a developer and having membership moderated seems sort of closed off.
I don't think being open means that we have to leave ourselves open to unwanted use. Like free software, it's easier to explain in terms of freedom: your freedom to swing your arm ends at my nose! Any moderation needs to be overseen, verifiable and consistent, though. See e-democracy.org for where I look for advice. Different field, similar best practice. "Joshua Ferraro" <jmf@liblime.com> wrote:
I wonder if this is the right time to ask: Shouldn't we try to consolidate all the mailing lists to the lists.koha.org domain? [...]
No. Mailman doesn't support list migration - the List-Id always changes, which is wrong. We broke filters by moving -devel from GNU to koha.org. I'd hate to do that to a list the size of the katipo one. Hope that helps, -- MJ Ray (slef) Webmaster for hire, statistician and online shop builder for a small worker cooperative http://www.ttllp.co.uk/ http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ (Notice http://mjr.towers.org.uk/email.html) tel:+44-844-4437-237