[Koha] Koha Maps

[Nathan Curulla]

Thanks Chris,

Just for the record, I have never taken the same absolutist approach to this as you have and have never painted myself as doing so. When I do a demo or speak to a library I always say that open is great if it works for you, but if other tools out there work better than go ahead and use them!  If I told libraries that they would be ethically obligated to use open everything all the time then we wouldn’t have any customers and the community would be about 1,000 libraries fewer. There are not always open options and most of us are forced to look at things practically more so than ethically, especially when dealing with something like software. We are not talking about religion here. By your rationale anyone in the community who uses a Mac to code on Koha is a hypocrite and I don’t agree with that. So in short, Im not walking any walk that I don’t talk :) I guess I look at this project from more of a practical point of view rather than an ethical one because I don’t have the luxury to do the latter.





> On Dec 20, 2016, at 5:03 PM, Chris Cormack <chrisc at catalyst.net.nz> wrote:
> 
> * Nathan Curulla (nate at bywatersolutions.com) wrote:
>> Thank you Marshall,
>> 
>> I agree with many of the points listed in this message. Chris, what is your biggest concern other than the fact that this data is not free to download?  Marshall, would you be looking for some form of compensation for us to list this on the KC website?  How can we reach a middle ground here? It would be extremely unfortunate to pass up on this fantastic tool because of our inability to work together in a way that benefits both of us. Maybe this is a topic we can discuss and vote on during the next general meeting, and I would love to hear other’s opinions. My role as the Community Marketer (or whatever the role is called) is to effectively promote Koha to as many people as possible, as quickly as possible, with zero budget. I see this map hitting all of those points.
>> 
> Hi Nate
> 
> First up, cost is not a factor paying for the data would be fine, Free is a problematic word in English, which is why I used Open license. If the data was licensed with a CC-BY-SA or similar license then we could use the data in whatever way we see fit. 
> I think you know me well enough by now to know I am advocate for Open
> Source and Open Data. I sit on the advisory board for Creative Commons
> NZ, but I am in no way speaking for them or my employer in this matter.
> 
> If the community votes to go ahead using proprietary data to market an
> Open Source project, then that's what will happen. However I do want my
> objection to this noted. It is an ethical stance, not a practical one,
> however if you aren't going to stand by your ethical beliefs, what is the point
> having them. I find it odd that there is a push to open access from a
> lot of libraries ... I guess walking the walk is as important to me as
> talking the talk.
> 
> Chris
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