[Koha] LibLime and Koha Community
ian.walls at bywatersolutions.com
Fri Feb 18 04:41:18 NZDT 2011
Thanks, Paul, for providing a good clear history.
A little bit more: the Harley code is based off Koha 3.01.00.061, which is
a little over a year old. As far as I know, it was a one-time release;
there have not been new fixes added to the repository. The new features it
added are broken out onto topic branches, but in my working with them, I've
found them not to be atomic; that is, new feature 13 depends on new features
1-12. This makes it really hard to get them integrated, but progress is
being made! Check out
I hope that we will continue to make progress on this, so we can get a solid
upgrade path to Koha for those folks currently using Harley. Some features
may be implemented different ways in Koha, but if we can get most of the
good ideas integrated, libraries will have more options.
I've got nothing worthwhile to say about LibLime Enterprise Koha, since I
can't work with the code. I hope that it will someday be released, as
promised when the announcement was made back on '09, but either way, it
doesn't affect my plan to keep working on making Koha better and better.
Tom, hope this helped at least a little. If you've got some time in May,
you could swing by the KUDOS conference in Madison, WI, and talk with other
US Koha users, of all varieties. They'd be able to give you perspective I
cannot (since I work for one of the Koha support companies in the US,
On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 10:15 AM, Paul Poulain <paul.poulain at biblibre.com>wrote:
> Le 17/02/2011 15:34, Tom Hanstra a écrit :
> > I hope I'm not kicking a hornet's nest here. I'm just trying to get a
> > handle on how compatible these are and how to decide which version might
> > best meet our local needs.
> Definetly, and without any doubt : the koha-community version.
> Definetly yes it's a hornet nest. So I'll try to answer clearly and
> without awakening sleeping hornets ;-)
> Just to be clear : I'm Paul Poulain, from France, served as Release
> Manager for Koha 2.0 and 2.2. I've founded BibLibre in France 3 years
> ago. I have nothing against PTFS/LL but I think their strategy won't be
> successfull. I think Koha project loosed many time with those problems,
> but it's behind us now.
> A small history history :
> * at the beginning (2000), koha.org was managed by katipo, where chris
> C. and some other were working (katipo was the Koha v1 author)
> * in 2007, LibLime bought koha.org, the katipo Koha dev team and katipo
> New Zealand customers
> * one year later, the katipo-now-LL ppl resigned from LL
> * in 2008 PTFS started his involvement in Koha. They were coldly
> welcomed by the community & LibLime (LL & PTFS are operating in US) They
> sended some patches but were considered as a wolf in a sheepfold, so
> patches were included, but always with a cold welcome. Note the
> technical relationships have always be better than the strategic
> * in 2009, some/many devs from LL resigned as well and, in sept, 11th LL
> announced LLEK, a hosted version that is not OpenSource because the
> source is not distributed (reminder : koha.org is "owned" by LL...)
> * in late 2009, early 2010, PTFS bought LL
> * in early 2010, the koha community (ie : everybody except LL & PTFS)
> decided to move to http://www.koha-community.org because we had no
> control & easy access over the content of the other website. All
> developers tools were also moved for the same reason.
> So, as of today :
> * PTFS/LibLime has a LLEK software that is not Koha, and you can't download
> * PTFS/LibLime has a "Harley" release of Koha, that is OpenSource,
> patches have been submitted, I think 50% of them are now in Koha. But it
> is not Koha and unless i'm mistaking, it does not evolve (and is based
> on 3.0.2 version of Koha). The remaining 50% may be included in Koha, or
> replaced by someone else dev that achieve the same goal.
> * Koha-community.org has the "uptodate" version of "the community".
> Hoping I answered you questions.
> Paul POULAIN
> Expert en Logiciels Libres pour l'info-doc
> Tel : (33) 4 91 81 35 08
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