[Koha] First things first for a Koha foundation

Wed Oct 14 01:38:23 NZDT 2009

I think the one question is enough. I for one plan to keep myself out
of the kitchen. There are plenty of chefs there already.

Kyle

http://www.kylehall.info
Information Technology
Crawford County Federated Library System ( http://www.ccfls.org )

On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 8:30 AM, Nicole Engard <nengard at gmail.com> wrote:
> When I asked for more time to discuss our options I was told that we
> had taken too much time already.  I am just repeating the sentiments
> of those on IRC when we discussed this.
>
> As for waiting and showing the survey I can do that - but let's not
> fool ourselves - it will take much longer than a week because everyone
> will want their changes made and there is no way I can make the
> changes suggested by 20+ community members and still have a good
> (short) survey.
>
> As far as I'm concerned we have too many questions so far - there
> should be 1 question in this survey - "Now that you've done your
> research, which organization would you like to align the Koha
> community with temporarily?"
>
> Please tell me what you all want - the survey is ready, but only being
> held back cause of all of this back and forth.
>
> Nicole
>
> On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 3:33 AM, Nicolas Morin
> <nicolas.morin at biblibre.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 3:16 AM, Edward M Corrado <terrapin44 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> Can someone tell me what harm a one week comment period would be. Getting this wrong will set the process back a lot longer than one week.
>>
>>
>> One week seems entirely reasonable to me. As long as an end date is
>> set, I think that's fine.
>> The IRC meeting was an opportunity to speak up, true enough, but
>> people might have missed the meeting for one reason or another, and
>> people participating on IRC are not representative, maybe, of the
>> entire community: this is a pretty geeky medium for many people.
>> My 2 cts.
>> Nicolas
>>
>>>
>>> Edward
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Oct 12, 2009, at 2:04 PM, "Thomas Dukleth" <kohalist at agogme.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Reply inline:
>>>
>>> On Mon, October 12, 2009 12:18, Kyle Hall wrote:
>>> It is my understanding that this has been in discussion for years -
>>> and is only be rushed now because everyone it tired of discussing it
>>> to death and want to make a decision.
>>>
>>> The meetings on IRC were a chance for everyone to speak up related to
>>> the survey and its questions/layout.  I took everything I was given
>>> into account and have others reviewing my work - but I repeat - I was
>>> told that we did not want to waste any more time discussing - it was
>>> time to make a decision.
>>>
>>> I concur. We've been discussing for ages. Now I think is the time for
>>> action. I'm sure not everyone will be happy with what we go with (
>>> including myself ). However, at this point, I would rather have
>>> something I'm not completely happy with than nothing at all.
>>>
>>> I am asking for only a one week comment period on a draft ballot which has
>>> not been discussed because it has not been seen, after which time we all
>>> accept whatever ballot Nicole and her committee produce.
>>>
>>> While a Koha foundation has been a subject of highly superficial brief
>>> occasional discussion for years, we have not had any opportunity as a
>>> whole community to have a discussion on the text of a ballot which is
>>> being interpreted by an electorate who have not had time to participate in
>>> our discussions.  A few minutes in an IRC meeting with no current draft
>>> text to discuss is not the proper forum to ensure that mistakes are
>>> avoided.
>>>
>>> There is no outcome which will give us "nothing at all".  I am asking for
>>> a week to discuss the ballot drafting with an actual draft text.  A week
>>> does not seem to much to ask for a reasonable, open, and fair process over
>>> an issue which the drafters acknowledge themselves to have been a problem.
>>>
>>> The alternative to not having the ballot questions drafted as well as we
>>> can draft them collectively can be seen from the previous poll results.
>>> Without much more careful questions, we will not know the veracity of the
>>> responses on many questions.
>>>
>>> Most importantly without much more careful ballot questions, we may be
>>> more likely to have the majority choosing an "independent foundation now"
>>> without appreciating that other choices do not exclude an independent
>>> foundation after as short an interim period as we need.  We should not be
>>> directing the choice in the questions but merely making the options clear.
>>> While we should not state it on the ballot, an "independent foundation
>>> now" option would be the slowest non-now option of the choices which would
>>> lead to months of discussion over location in which to register and bylaws
>>> before we could have a foundation.
>>>
>>> Kyle, you seemed to concur at least about the consequence of our choice of
>>> options,
>>> http://lists.katipo.co.nz/pipermail/koha/2009-October/020622.html, which I
>>> had explained briefly,
>>> http://lists.katipo.co.nz/pipermail/koha/2009-October/020598.html ,
>>>
>>> A week to comment on a ballot draft after which time Nicole Engard puts up
>>> whatever ballot she and her committee decide to produce seems very little
>>> to ask for reducing the likelihood of the worst uncertainty in the
>>> outcome.  Either we may avoid months of discussions without a foundation;
>>> or the majority will vote for an "independent foundation now" option,
>>> despite a well understood question, and then the week will matter very
>>> little in the months of discussion without a foundation which would
>>> follow.
>>>
>>> I do have some specific suggestions to put which I have not finished
>>> writing on each of the parts of the ballot but I am told that after the
>>> fact that a brief agenda item in an IRC meeting with no reference text is
>>> the only possibility that anyone would ever have.
>>>
>>>
>>> Thomas Dukleth
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