[Koha] First things first for a Koha foundation

Wed Oct 14 01:30:41 NZDT 2009

When I asked for more time to discuss our options I was told that we
had taken too much time already.  I am just repeating the sentiments
of those on IRC when we discussed this.

As for waiting and showing the survey I can do that - but let's not
fool ourselves - it will take much longer than a week because everyone
will want their changes made and there is no way I can make the
changes suggested by 20+ community members and still have a good
(short) survey.

As far as I'm concerned we have too many questions so far - there
should be 1 question in this survey - "Now that you've done your
research, which organization would you like to align the Koha
community with temporarily?"

Please tell me what you all want - the survey is ready, but only being
held back cause of all of this back and forth.

Nicole

On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 3:33 AM, Nicolas Morin
<nicolas.morin at biblibre.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 3:16 AM, Edward M Corrado <terrapin44 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Can someone tell me what harm a one week comment period would be. Getting this wrong will set the process back a lot longer than one week.
>
>
> One week seems entirely reasonable to me. As long as an end date is
> set, I think that's fine.
> The IRC meeting was an opportunity to speak up, true enough, but
> people might have missed the meeting for one reason or another, and
> people participating on IRC are not representative, maybe, of the
> entire community: this is a pretty geeky medium for many people.
> My 2 cts.
> Nicolas
>
>>
>> Edward
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Oct 12, 2009, at 2:04 PM, "Thomas Dukleth" <kohalist at agogme.com> wrote:
>>
>> Reply inline:
>>
>> On Mon, October 12, 2009 12:18, Kyle Hall wrote:
>> It is my understanding that this has been in discussion for years -
>> and is only be rushed now because everyone it tired of discussing it
>> to death and want to make a decision.
>>
>> The meetings on IRC were a chance for everyone to speak up related to
>> the survey and its questions/layout.  I took everything I was given
>> into account and have others reviewing my work - but I repeat - I was
>> told that we did not want to waste any more time discussing - it was
>> time to make a decision.
>>
>> I concur. We've been discussing for ages. Now I think is the time for
>> action. I'm sure not everyone will be happy with what we go with (
>> including myself ). However, at this point, I would rather have
>> something I'm not completely happy with than nothing at all.
>>
>> I am asking for only a one week comment period on a draft ballot which has
>> not been discussed because it has not been seen, after which time we all
>> accept whatever ballot Nicole and her committee produce.
>>
>> While a Koha foundation has been a subject of highly superficial brief
>> occasional discussion for years, we have not had any opportunity as a
>> whole community to have a discussion on the text of a ballot which is
>> being interpreted by an electorate who have not had time to participate in
>> our discussions.  A few minutes in an IRC meeting with no current draft
>> text to discuss is not the proper forum to ensure that mistakes are
>> avoided.
>>
>> There is no outcome which will give us "nothing at all".  I am asking for
>> a week to discuss the ballot drafting with an actual draft text.  A week
>> does not seem to much to ask for a reasonable, open, and fair process over
>> an issue which the drafters acknowledge themselves to have been a problem.
>>
>> The alternative to not having the ballot questions drafted as well as we
>> can draft them collectively can be seen from the previous poll results.
>> Without much more careful questions, we will not know the veracity of the
>> responses on many questions.
>>
>> Most importantly without much more careful ballot questions, we may be
>> more likely to have the majority choosing an "independent foundation now"
>> without appreciating that other choices do not exclude an independent
>> foundation after as short an interim period as we need.  We should not be
>> directing the choice in the questions but merely making the options clear.
>> While we should not state it on the ballot, an "independent foundation
>> now" option would be the slowest non-now option of the choices which would
>> lead to months of discussion over location in which to register and bylaws
>> before we could have a foundation.
>>
>> Kyle, you seemed to concur at least about the consequence of our choice of
>> options,
>> http://lists.katipo.co.nz/pipermail/koha/2009-October/020622.html, which I
>> had explained briefly,
>> http://lists.katipo.co.nz/pipermail/koha/2009-October/020598.html ,
>>
>> A week to comment on a ballot draft after which time Nicole Engard puts up
>> whatever ballot she and her committee decide to produce seems very little
>> to ask for reducing the likelihood of the worst uncertainty in the
>> outcome.  Either we may avoid months of discussions without a foundation;
>> or the majority will vote for an "independent foundation now" option,
>> despite a well understood question, and then the week will matter very
>> little in the months of discussion without a foundation which would
>> follow.
>>
>> I do have some specific suggestions to put which I have not finished
>> writing on each of the parts of the ballot but I am told that after the
>> fact that a brief agenda item in an IRC meeting with no reference text is
>> the only possibility that anyone would ever have.
>>
>>
>> Thomas Dukleth
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