Missing lost status in Default framework item record
We're running 3.20.05 I've noticed a few oddities in the Default framework since we've moved to 3.20 (fields we use all the time set to hidden) but this is the strangest one. In the item record (952 $1) The Lost status line is not there. It doesn't display in the editor, the numbering goes from 0-Withdrawn status to 2-Source of classification or shelving scheme Can anyone else confirm this? Or is it possible something corrupted the default framework when we moved from 3.18 to 3.20? The staff is not cataloging in this framework, but there are a few records in the system that are in the default framework. -- Elaine Bradtke Data Wrangler VWML English Folk Dance and Song Society | http://www.efdss.org Cecil Sharp House, 2 Regent's Park Road, London NW1 7AY Tel +44 (0) 20 7485 2206 (This number is for the English Folk Dance and Song Society in London, England. If you wish to phone me personally, send an e-mail first. I work off site) -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Registered Company No. 297142 Charity Registered in England and Wales No. 305999 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Writing about music is like dancing about architecture" --Elvis Costello (Musician magazine No. 60 (October 1983), p. 52)
Hi Elaine,
I've noticed a few oddities in the Default framework since we've moved to 3.20 (fields we use all the time set to hidden) but this is the strangest one. In the item record (952 $1) The Lost status line is not there. It doesn't display in the editor, the numbering goes from 0-Withdrawn status to 2-Source of classification or shelving scheme
If you check the updatedatabase.pl files from 3.19.00.000 to 3.20.05 you can see that there are not change in table marc_subfield_structure for tag 952. In our Default MARC Framework, 952 $1 it is present ? Or in our 952 setup for Default MARC Framework is not present. It is a different thing 'not visible in editor' vs 'not present in Default MARC Framework'. Bye Zeno Tajoli
Hi Elaine, Elaine Bradtke schrieb am 07.12.2015
In the item record (952 $1) The Lost status line is not there. It doesn't display in the editor, the numbering goes from 0-Withdrawn status to 2-Source of classification or shelving scheme
Can anyone else confirm this? Or is it possible something corrupted the default framework when we moved from 3.18 to 3.20?
The values are set in the LOST authorized value. Can you check Administration > Authorized values for the LOST entry? You can edit the options too. Does it work ok in other frameworks? Next thing you could check is Administration > MARC Frameworks, default, MARC structure for that subfield. There should be "Auth value:LOST" set for 952$1. HTH, Mirko -- Mirko Tietgen mirko@abunchofthings.net http://koha.abunchofthings.net http://meinkoha.de
Apparently the behaviour got changed and the field is hidden in the framework setting for the editor. You could change the visibility in the MARC Frameworks editor. http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.com/Item-Lost-Status-not-showing-in-Editor-td5... HTH, Mirko -- Mirko Tietgen mirko@abunchofthings.net http://koha.abunchofthings.net http://meinkoha.de
Yes indeed it is a deliberate change. Have a read of the rationale: http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5533 We're advising our clients not to change it back. Cheers, Bob On 08/12/15 08:52, Mirko Tietgen wrote:
Apparently the behaviour got changed and the field is hidden in the framework setting for the editor. You could change the visibility in the MARC Frameworks editor.
http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.com/Item-Lost-Status-not-showing-in-Editor-td5...
HTH,
Mirko
Thanks for that. It does display in other frameworks, just not the Default. This change to the Default framework actually works against us. I will change it back, because it's necessary for our collection. I suppose the right answer is to correct the framework in the faulty records, but that's not as critical as some other projects I'm working on. We've got material shelved all over an old building and I don't want the staff to spend a lot of time looking for something that's 'lost'. Precisely because we have so many different shelving locations (and we've been shifting material as the building is rehabbed) we're not willing to abandon these items altogether, they usually do turn up eventually. Lost status has nothing to do with our borrowers. We rarely circulate material. On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 1:10 AM, Bob Birchall <bob@calyx.net.au> wrote:
Yes indeed it is a deliberate change. Have a read of the rationale: http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5533
We're advising our clients not to change it back. Cheers, Bob
On 08/12/15 08:52, Mirko Tietgen wrote:
Apparently the behaviour got changed and the field is hidden in the framework setting for the editor. You could change the visibility in the MARC Frameworks editor.
http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.com/Item-Lost-Status-not-showing-in-Editor-td5...
HTH,
Mirko
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Hi Elaine, I understand that in your situation. For the benefit of others, the better way to set lost status is from the record Details page by selecting the Items tab from those at left. Bob On 08/12/15 12:49, Elaine Bradtke wrote:
Thanks for that. It does display in other frameworks, just not the Default. This change to the Default framework actually works against us. I will change it back, because it's necessary for our collection. I suppose the right answer is to correct the framework in the faulty records, but that's not as critical as some other projects I'm working on. We've got material shelved all over an old building and I don't want the staff to spend a lot of time looking for something that's 'lost'. Precisely because we have so many different shelving locations (and we've been shifting material as the building is rehabbed) we're not willing to abandon these items altogether, they usually do turn up eventually. Lost status has nothing to do with our borrowers. We rarely circulate material.
On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 1:10 AM, Bob Birchall <bob@calyx.net.au <mailto:bob@calyx.net.au>> wrote:
Yes indeed it is a deliberate change. Have a read of the rationale: http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5533
We're advising our clients not to change it back. Cheers, Bob
On 08/12/15 08:52, Mirko Tietgen wrote:
Apparently the behaviour got changed and the field is hidden in the framework setting for the editor. You could change the visibility in the MARC Frameworks editor.
http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.com/Item-Lost-Status-not-showing-in-Editor-td5...
HTH,
Mirko
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Yes, that works. If you're adding a new record for an item that's 'lost' . . you're stuck. This is a problem that libraries who are transitioning from cards and old database files to Koha often have. On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 2:56 AM, Bob Birchall <bob@calyx.net.au> wrote:
Hi Elaine, I understand that in your situation. For the benefit of others, the better way to set lost status is from the record Details page by selecting the Items tab from those at left. Bob
On 08/12/15 12:49, Elaine Bradtke wrote:
Thanks for that. It does display in other frameworks, just not the Default. This change to the Default framework actually works against us. I will change it back, because it's necessary for our collection. I suppose the right answer is to correct the framework in the faulty records, but that's not as critical as some other projects I'm working on. We've got material shelved all over an old building and I don't want the staff to spend a lot of time looking for something that's 'lost'. Precisely because we have so many different shelving locations (and we've been shifting material as the building is rehabbed) we're not willing to abandon these items altogether, they usually do turn up eventually. Lost status has nothing to do with our borrowers. We rarely circulate material.
On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 1:10 AM, Bob Birchall <bob@calyx.net.au> wrote:
Yes indeed it is a deliberate change. Have a read of the rationale: http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5533
We're advising our clients not to change it back. Cheers, Bob
On 08/12/15 08:52, Mirko Tietgen wrote:
Apparently the behaviour got changed and the field is hidden in the framework setting for the editor. You could change the visibility in the MARC Frameworks editor.
http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.com/Item-Lost-Status-not-showing-in-Editor-td5...
HTH,
Mirko
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Hi, all-- Bob wrote:
For the benefit of others, the better way to set lost status is from the record Details page by selecting the Items tab from those at left.
I tried reading through the bugzilla on this to understand why it was changed, but I'm afraid not enough of it was in "librarian" for me to understand!:) This is going to cause us more work, since I'd have to click "Items" in the tab on the left to set the status to missing, then go to another place (click the "Edit" button, then select "Edit items," then click in the item to edit) to enter a non-public note about such things as when the item was searched. It's been faster to click "edit" on the correct item to set its lost status & enter the non-public note information in one "edit" step. But we're still on 3.18, and I haven't any experience yet with 3.20+, so I might be misunderstanding! Also, we don't charge fines--did I read the bugzilla correctly enough to understand that the interaction to the patron record wasn't happening correctly on lost items, and it was decided not to correct the problem if one set the item to lost via clicking "Edit" next to the correct item record in the staff "Normal" display? Cheerio! --h2 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Heather Hernandez Technical Services Librarian San Francisco Maritime National Historical Park Research Center 2 Marina Blvd., Bldg. E, 3rd floor, San Francisco, CA 94123 415-561-7032, heather_hernandez@nps.gov http://www.nps.gov/safr/learn/historyculture/museum-collections.htm "The sailor does not pray for wind, he learns to sail."--Gustaf Lindborg
We're in the same boat as Heather. I can sort of see why large public and university libraries may want to do things differently, but if you're a small research collection like ours, this is awkward. Heather, at least in our catalogue, the Lost status being hidden in the editor only occurs in the default framework. On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 4:08 PM, Hernandez, Heather < heather_hernandez@nps.gov> wrote:
Hi, all--
Bob wrote:
For the benefit of others, the better way to set lost status is from the record Details page by selecting the Items tab from those at left.
I tried reading through the bugzilla on this to understand why it was changed, but I'm afraid not enough of it was in "librarian" for me to understand!:) This is going to cause us more work, since I'd have to click "Items" in the tab on the left to set the status to missing, then go to another place (click the "Edit" button, then select "Edit items," then click in the item to edit) to enter a non-public note about such things as when the item was searched. It's been faster to click "edit" on the correct item to set its lost status & enter the non-public note information in one "edit" step.
But we're still on 3.18, and I haven't any experience yet with 3.20+, so I might be misunderstanding! Also, we don't charge fines--did I read the bugzilla correctly enough to understand that the interaction to the patron record wasn't happening correctly on lost items, and it was decided not to correct the problem if one set the item to lost via clicking "Edit" next to the correct item record in the staff "Normal" display?
Cheerio! --h2 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Heather Hernandez Technical Services Librarian San Francisco Maritime National Historical Park Research Center 2 Marina Blvd., Bldg. E, 3rd floor, San Francisco, CA 94123 415-561-7032, heather_hernandez@nps.gov http://www.nps.gov/safr/learn/historyculture/museum-collections.htm
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Hi, Elaine (& all)-- Well, *all* our records are in the default framework!:) It's just simpler to manage, since I import all new records from OCLC via the gateway export into that one framework, and when I need to make fields visible it's just easier to edit the default framework and have it work on all the records. (A few times a year I have to make fields visible to edit since Koha seems to come with a lot of commonly used fields hidden, I guess to make it simpler for folks who are not so familiar with MARC.) I'm *so* eager to try to the new cataloging interface, though, for record editing (I hope it does editing!) but I would still use one framework for all records--managing all those different frameworks doesn't really make sense to me. But, of course, I'm coming from an OCLC workflow perspective (i.e., one MARC21 record--picking different flavors of it in Connexion just causes different default fields to display, not to store a record in a whole different framework.) We'll manage, though, with the new "lost" workflow, I'm sure--we always do! Excelsior! h2 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Heather Hernandez Technical Services Librarian San Francisco Maritime National Historical Park Research Center 2 Marina Blvd., Bldg. E, 3rd floor, San Francisco, CA 94123 415-561-7032, heather_hernandez@nps.gov http://www.nps.gov/safr/learn/historyculture/museum-collections.htm "The sailor does not pray for wind, he learns to sail."--Gustaf Lindborg On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 8:18 AM, Elaine Bradtke <eb@efdss.org> wrote:
We're in the same boat as Heather. I can sort of see why large public and university libraries may want to do things differently, but if you're a small research collection like ours, this is awkward.
Heather, at least in our catalogue, the Lost status being hidden in the editor only occurs in the default framework.
On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 4:08 PM, Hernandez, Heather < heather_hernandez@nps.gov> wrote:
Hi, all--
Bob wrote:
For the benefit of others, the better way to set lost status is from the record Details page by selecting the Items tab from those at left.
I tried reading through the bugzilla on this to understand why it was changed, but I'm afraid not enough of it was in "librarian" for me to understand!:) This is going to cause us more work, since I'd have to click "Items" in the tab on the left to set the status to missing, then go to another place (click the "Edit" button, then select "Edit items," then click in the item to edit) to enter a non-public note about such things as when the item was searched. It's been faster to click "edit" on the correct item to set its lost status & enter the non-public note information in one "edit" step.
But we're still on 3.18, and I haven't any experience yet with 3.20+, so I might be misunderstanding! Also, we don't charge fines--did I read the bugzilla correctly enough to understand that the interaction to the patron record wasn't happening correctly on lost items, and it was decided not to correct the problem if one set the item to lost via clicking "Edit" next to the correct item record in the staff "Normal" display?
Cheerio! --h2 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Heather Hernandez Technical Services Librarian San Francisco Maritime National Historical Park Research Center 2 Marina Blvd., Bldg. E, 3rd floor, San Francisco, CA 94123 415-561-7032, heather_hernandez@nps.gov http://www.nps.gov/safr/learn/historyculture/museum-collections.htm
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On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 11:28 AM, Hernandez, Heather < heather_hernandez@nps.gov> wrote:
I'm *so* eager to try to the new cataloging interface, though, for record editing (I hope it does editing!)
Oh, it does editing :-) :-) see http://translate.koha-community.org/manual/master/en/html-desktop/#advancede... Sorry to hijack a useful thread, but I just had to throw that in there, and throw some Kudos to Jesse Weaver for getting that added to 3.22, and to Nicole for the shiny new 3.22 documentation. --Barton
Oooooh, Barton, it does editing, too?!???? For that, and for the wonderful documentation, I just want to hug Jesse W. and Nicole! Wow! ::sings:: "All I want for Christmas is 3.22...3.22...3.22!!!" I can't wait! --h2 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Heather Hernandez Technical Services Librarian San Francisco Maritime National Historical Park Research Center 2 Marina Blvd., Bldg. E, 3rd floor, San Francisco, CA 94123 415-561-7032, heather_hernandez@nps.gov http://www.nps.gov/safr/learn/historyculture/museum-collections.htm "The sailor does not pray for wind, he learns to sail."--Gustaf Lindborg On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 1:34 PM, Barton Chittenden < barton@bywatersolutions.com> wrote:
On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 11:28 AM, Hernandez, Heather < heather_hernandez@nps.gov> wrote:
I'm *so* eager to try to the new cataloging interface, though, for record editing (I hope it does editing!)
Oh, it does editing :-) :-) see http://translate.koha-community.org/manual/master/en/html-desktop/#advancede...
Sorry to hijack a useful thread, but I just had to throw that in there, and throw some Kudos to Jesse Weaver for getting that added to 3.22, and to Nicole for the shiny new 3.22 documentation.
--Barton
Hi Heather, I just tested in master and you can make the lost value visible again in the default framework. I think you just have to keep in mind, that it won't work the same as when using it from the 'items tab'. But if that is not a problem for your workflow, you can use it as before. Hope this helps, Katrin Am 08.12.2015 um 17:28 schrieb Hernandez, Heather:
Hi, Elaine (& all)--
Well, *all* our records are in the default framework!:) It's just simpler to manage, since I import all new records from OCLC via the gateway export into that one framework, and when I need to make fields visible it's just easier to edit the default framework and have it work on all the records. (A few times a year I have to make fields visible to edit since Koha seems to come with a lot of commonly used fields hidden, I guess to make it simpler for folks who are not so familiar with MARC.)
I'm *so* eager to try to the new cataloging interface, though, for record editing (I hope it does editing!) but I would still use one framework for all records--managing all those different frameworks doesn't really make sense to me. But, of course, I'm coming from an OCLC workflow perspective (i.e., one MARC21 record--picking different flavors of it in Connexion just causes different default fields to display, not to store a record in a whole different framework.)
We'll manage, though, with the new "lost" workflow, I'm sure--we always do!
Excelsior! h2
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Heather Hernandez Technical Services Librarian San Francisco Maritime National Historical Park Research Center 2 Marina Blvd., Bldg. E, 3rd floor, San Francisco, CA 94123 415-561-7032, heather_hernandez@nps.gov http://www.nps.gov/safr/learn/historyculture/museum-collections.htm
"The sailor does not pray for wind, he learns to sail."--Gustaf Lindborg
On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 8:18 AM, Elaine Bradtke <eb@efdss.org> wrote:
We're in the same boat as Heather. I can sort of see why large public and university libraries may want to do things differently, but if you're a small research collection like ours, this is awkward.
Heather, at least in our catalogue, the Lost status being hidden in the editor only occurs in the default framework.
On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 4:08 PM, Hernandez, Heather < heather_hernandez@nps.gov> wrote:
Hi, all--
Bob wrote:
For the benefit of others, the better way to set lost status is from the record Details page by selecting the Items tab from those at left.
I tried reading through the bugzilla on this to understand why it was changed, but I'm afraid not enough of it was in "librarian" for me to understand!:) This is going to cause us more work, since I'd have to click "Items" in the tab on the left to set the status to missing, then go to another place (click the "Edit" button, then select "Edit items," then click in the item to edit) to enter a non-public note about such things as when the item was searched. It's been faster to click "edit" on the correct item to set its lost status & enter the non-public note information in one "edit" step.
But we're still on 3.18, and I haven't any experience yet with 3.20+, so I might be misunderstanding! Also, we don't charge fines--did I read the bugzilla correctly enough to understand that the interaction to the patron record wasn't happening correctly on lost items, and it was decided not to correct the problem if one set the item to lost via clicking "Edit" next to the correct item record in the staff "Normal" display?
Cheerio! --h2 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Heather Hernandez Technical Services Librarian San Francisco Maritime National Historical Park Research Center 2 Marina Blvd., Bldg. E, 3rd floor, San Francisco, CA 94123 415-561-7032, heather_hernandez@nps.gov http://www.nps.gov/safr/learn/historyculture/museum-collections.htm
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