Quick Poll: Who uses COiNS/ OpenURL in the opac search results?
Community, Did you know that Koha automatically parses the bibliographic records it returns with a search, and gives you a COiNS/OpenURL/Z39.88 span that bibliographic utilities can pick up on? I did, but I've never had call to use it. Does anyone out there make use of this feature, or teach their patrons to? I ask, because it's a very expensive feature, resource-wise, and if it's not commonly used, it may be best to be something we enable/disable with a system preference. I've filed a bug report for this ( http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5957), and will be working on a patch, if the community feels this is worth the effort. Cheers, -Ian -- Ian Walls Lead Development Specialist ByWater Solutions Phone # (888) 900-8944 http://bywatersolutions.com ian.walls@bywatersolutions.com Twitter: @sekjal
I know that academic libraries point out to their patrons that there is Zotero integration (much smoother than the Refworks or Endnote way of doing things). If we were to remove it it should be a preference for people to turn on because having Zotero integration is a big deal to research libraries (and to me personally). Nicole 2011/3/25 Ian Walls <ian.walls@bywatersolutions.com>:
Community,
Did you know that Koha automatically parses the bibliographic records it returns with a search, and gives you a COiNS/OpenURL/Z39.88 span that bibliographic utilities can pick up on? I did, but I've never had call to use it.
Does anyone out there make use of this feature, or teach their patrons to?
I ask, because it's a very expensive feature, resource-wise, and if it's not commonly used, it may be best to be something we enable/disable with a system preference.
I've filed a bug report for this (http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5957), and will be working on a patch, if the community feels this is worth the effort.
Cheers,
-Ian
-- Ian Walls Lead Development Specialist ByWater Solutions Phone # (888) 900-8944 http://bywatersolutions.com ian.walls@bywatersolutions.com Twitter: @sekjal
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I agree with Nicole that the current behavior should be the default, and I agree with Ian that a syspref to disable it would be useful for performance reasons. I also have a few additional comments as this is something that I looked into at one point (not disabling COinS, but using it). At present, the COinS span generated by Koha is not compliant with COinS 1.0. Nor is the COinS generated for MARC21 accurate for any but the simplest of books (there is an understated comment that the MARC21 support needs improvement in C4/Biblio.pm). See bug 4366 ( http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4366 ) for a start on improving COinS support. Regards, Jared On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 9:12 PM, Nicole Engard <nengard@gmail.com> wrote:
I know that academic libraries point out to their patrons that there is Zotero integration (much smoother than the Refworks or Endnote way of doing things). If we were to remove it it should be a preference for people to turn on because having Zotero integration is a big deal to research libraries (and to me personally).
Nicole
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On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 9:12 PM, Nicole Engard <nengard@gmail.com> wrote:
I know that academic libraries point out to their patrons that there is Zotero integration (much smoother than the Refworks or Endnote way of doing things). If we were to remove it it should be a preference for people to turn on because having Zotero integration is a big deal to research libraries (and to me personally).
+1 to keeping it in some form; We encourage the use of tools such as Zotero here. Kind Regards, Chris
Just to contextualize further: I'm only talking about having an option to remove it from the opac-search.pl results page. The COiNS info would still be available in the details page. We could also add it to the Cart and to Lists, if it's not already there, so users still have a way to pull in multiple items at once into their bibliographic utility. I've got a preliminary patch going now, and just need to test to confirm (as well as add all the install/management code), but my suspicion is that this would reduce OPAC search times by 25-30%. I'll confirm, and add that to the bug report. Thanks, all, for responding! Others, please, if you've got experience/thoughts/ideas, please keep them coming. -Ian On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 9:55 PM, Chris Nighswonger < cnighswonger@foundations.edu> wrote:
On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 9:12 PM, Nicole Engard <nengard@gmail.com> wrote:
I know that academic libraries point out to their patrons that there is Zotero integration (much smoother than the Refworks or Endnote way of doing things). If we were to remove it it should be a preference for people to turn on because having Zotero integration is a big deal to research libraries (and to me personally).
+1 to keeping it in some form; We encourage the use of tools such as Zotero here.
Kind Regards, Chris
-- Ian Walls Lead Development Specialist ByWater Solutions Phone # (888) 900-8944 http://bywatersolutions.com ian.walls@bywatersolutions.com Twitter: @sekjal
Le 26/03/2011 02:12, Nicole Engard a écrit :
I know that academic libraries point out to their patrons that there is Zotero integration (much smoother than the Refworks or Endnote way of doing things). If we were to remove it it should be a preference for people to turn on because having Zotero integration is a big deal to research libraries (and to me personally).
Nicole Same remark for French folks... except it is not even for academic but also public libraries.
About COiNS support, yes... But we also remarked that COiNS was not really the more interesting format for zotero. Maybe RIS or unapi. Hope that helps. -- Henri-Damien LAURENT
On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 5:59 AM, LAURENT Henri-Damien <henridamien.laurent@biblibre.com> wrote:
Same remark for French folks... except it is not even for academic but also public libraries.
About COiNS support, yes... But we also remarked that COiNS was not really the more interesting format for zotero. Maybe RIS or unapi. Hope that helps. -- Henri-Damien LAURENT
Henri-Damien, Koha does let you export as RIS (I thought) but I thought you needed COiNS to have your browser automatically integrate with Zotero. What I mean is with other applications like Zotero you have to export the record from Koha and import it into the tool - I like that with Zotero I click a button in my browser and it's added to Zotero instantaneously. I'm not picky (and most librarians aren't either) about the format as long as that functionality isn't broken in the process. Nicole
Le 28/03/2011 13:30, Nicole Engard a écrit :
On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 5:59 AM, LAURENT Henri-Damien <henridamien.laurent@biblibre.com> wrote:
Same remark for French folks... except it is not even for academic but also public libraries.
About COiNS support, yes... But we also remarked that COiNS was not really the more interesting format for zotero. Maybe RIS or unapi. Hope that helps. -- Henri-Damien LAURENT
Henri-Damien,
Koha does let you export as RIS (I thought) but I thought you needed COiNS to have your browser automatically integrate with Zotero. What I mean is with other applications like Zotero you have to export the record from Koha and import it into the tool - I like that with Zotero I click a button in my browser and it's added to Zotero instantaneously. I'm not picky (and most librarians aren't either) about the format as long as that functionality isn't broken in the process. Nicole, to make it clear, I donot want to break that wonderful feature that you can click and integrate the biblio information from Koha web page into zotero (no kidding : it IS great). Problem is that, somehow, users come with the demand that koha is not exporting this and that information (e.g. abstract, notes, other titles, ...) for zotero... And when investigating, it comes out that it is comes both from the COiNS format, and its zotero support. So I was just stating that as cool as it is, it still has limits, and we investigated, and I pointed at some solutions. It is great as it stands but still can be improved...
-- Henri-Damien LAURENT
We also encourage our patrons to use Zotero. Personally I use it (Zotero) myself, constantly, for my other job. Elaine On Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 1:12 AM, Nicole Engard <nengard@gmail.com> wrote:
I know that academic libraries point out to their patrons that there is Zotero integration (much smoother than the Refworks or Endnote way of doing things). If we were to remove it it should be a preference for people to turn on because having Zotero integration is a big deal to research libraries (and to me personally).
Nicole
2011/3/25 Ian Walls <ian.walls@bywatersolutions.com>:
Community,
Did you know that Koha automatically parses the bibliographic records it returns with a search, and gives you a COiNS/OpenURL/Z39.88 span that bibliographic utilities can pick up on? I did, but I've never had call to use it.
Does anyone out there make use of this feature, or teach their patrons to?
I ask, because it's a very expensive feature, resource-wise, and if it's not commonly used, it may be best to be something we enable/disable with a system preference.
I've filed a bug report for this (http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5957), and will be working on a patch, if the community feels this is worth the effort.
Cheers,
-Ian
-- Ian Walls Lead Development Specialist ByWater Solutions Phone # (888) 900-8944 http://bywatersolutions.com ian.walls@bywatersolutions.com Twitter: @sekjal
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Thank you, everyone, for the feedback! So, what I'm hearing is that COiNS in the search results is definitely a feature worth keeping, as lots of folks are making use of it with tools like Zotero. Good to know. I'm half-way through writing a patch that will add a system preference so you can choose whether you want to continue to use COiNS on the OPAC search results page (will not affect any other page, like opac-details.pl), or remove them in favour of a faster search. The default value will be "Use", so the default behaviour will remain the same. More choices = more power to the user! -Ian On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 6:09 AM, Elaine Bradtke <eb@efdss.org> wrote:
We also encourage our patrons to use Zotero. Personally I use it (Zotero) myself, constantly, for my other job. Elaine On Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 1:12 AM, Nicole Engard <nengard@gmail.com> wrote:
I know that academic libraries point out to their patrons that there is Zotero integration (much smoother than the Refworks or Endnote way of doing things). If we were to remove it it should be a preference for people to turn on because having Zotero integration is a big deal to research libraries (and to me personally).
Nicole
2011/3/25 Ian Walls <ian.walls@bywatersolutions.com>:
Community,
Did you know that Koha automatically parses the bibliographic records it returns with a search, and gives you a COiNS/OpenURL/Z39.88 span that bibliographic utilities can pick up on? I did, but I've never had call to use it.
Does anyone out there make use of this feature, or teach their patrons to?
I ask, because it's a very expensive feature, resource-wise, and if it's not commonly used, it may be best to be something we enable/disable with a system preference.
I've filed a bug report for this (http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5957), and will be working on a patch, if the community feels this is worth the effort.
Cheers,
-Ian
-- Ian Walls Lead Development Specialist ByWater Solutions Phone # (888) 900-8944 http://bywatersolutions.com ian.walls@bywatersolutions.com Twitter: @sekjal
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-- Elaine Bradtke Data Wrangler VWML English Folk Dance and Song Society | http://www.efdss.org Cecil Sharp House, 2 Regent's Park Road, London NW1 7AY Tel +44 (0) 20 7485 2206 ext 36 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Registered Company No. 297142 Charity Registered in England and Wales No. 305999 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Writing about music is like dancing about architecture" --Elvis Costello (Musician magazine No. 60 (October 1983), p. 52)
-- Ian Walls Lead Development Specialist ByWater Solutions Phone # (888) 900-8944 http://bywatersolutions.com ian.walls@bywatersolutions.com Twitter: @sekjal
participants (7)
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Chris Nighswonger -
Elaine Bradtke -
Ian Walls -
Jared Camins-Esakov -
LAURENT Henri-Damien -
Nicole Engard -
Tomas Cohen Arazi