Re: [Koha] Authorities help
Authorities are used to standardize the way information is displayed, especially in relation to authors, subjects, series titles, etc. This is not a Koha innovation, it is one of the standards of library cataloging. An online version of the most widely used source in the U.S. can be found at http://authorities.loc.gov/ The Koha set up is somewhat clunky, but is at least a beginning in trying to make things standardized. The first improvement I would suggest is the ability to import LC authority headings into Koha... Kathy Kathleen D. Rippel Pathfinder Central, manager Central Kansas Library System Original Message: ----------------- From: scott scott@sedc.k12.ut.us Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 10:05:07 -0600 To: koha@lists.katipo.co.nz Subject: [Koha] Authorities help What are the authorities for? I cant find a explanation for them, I am trying to edit the 100 $a field, i figured out how to add authorities, do a search for that authority to stick it in the 100$a field, but whats the point? I could just turn them off, would it have a great affect on things? Thanks. For those that reply. -Scott _______________________________________________ Koha mailing list Koha@lists.katipo.co.nz http://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha -------------------------------------------------------------------- myhosting.com - Premium Microsoft® Windows® and Linux web and application hosting - http://link.myhosting.com/myhosting
Hi Kathy, On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 9:38 PM, kdr@ckls.org <kdr@ckls.org> wrote:
The Koha set up is somewhat clunky, but is at least a beginning in trying to make things standardized. The first improvement I would suggest is the ability to import LC authority headings into Koha...
I think this is a great enhancement idea. Something similar to the marc import tool or possibly similar to the z3950 biblio search. Would you mind opening an enhancement request at http://bugs.koha.org so that we can keep track of it and possibly garner some sponsorship for it? Kind Regards, Chris Christopher Nighswonger Faculty Member Network & Systems Director Foundations Bible College & Seminary www.foundations.edu www.fbcradio.org
Original Message: ----------------- From: scott scott@sedc.k12.ut.us Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 10:05:07 -0600 To: koha@lists.katipo.co.nz Subject: [Koha] Authorities help
What are the authorities for? I cant find a explanation for them, I am trying to edit the 100 $a field, i figured out how to add authorities, do a search for that authority to stick it in the 100$a field, but whats the point? I could just turn them off, would it have a great affect on things?
Thanks. For those that reply.
-Scott
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Mason from KohaAloha has done work on this ... wonder if he sees this message :) Chris Nighswonger wrote:
Hi Kathy,
On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 9:38 PM, kdr@ckls.org <kdr@ckls.org> wrote:
The Koha set up is somewhat clunky, but is at least a beginning in trying to make things standardized. The first improvement I would suggest is the ability to import LC authority headings into Koha...
I think this is a great enhancement idea. Something similar to the marc import tool or possibly similar to the z3950 biblio search. Would you mind opening an enhancement request at http://bugs.koha.org so that we can keep track of it and possibly garner some sponsorship for it?
Kind Regards, Chris
Christopher Nighswonger Faculty Member Network & Systems Director Foundations Bible College & Seminary www.foundations.edu www.fbcradio.org
Original Message: ----------------- From: scott scott@sedc.k12.ut.us Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 10:05:07 -0600 To: koha@lists.katipo.co.nz Subject: [Koha] Authorities help
What are the authorities for? I cant find a explanation for them, I am trying to edit the 100 $a field, i figured out how to add authorities, do a search for that authority to stick it in the 100$a field, but whats the point? I could just turn them off, would it have a great affect on things?
Thanks. For those that reply.
-Scott
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Authorities are great, but I think that don't work well in Koha. See below my post on May 5 (nobody answer). Bye, Alejandro Tiraboschi. " Hi: I have a question related with searching when koha has authorities enabled. In the OPAC http://biblio.bmayor.famaf.unc.edu.ar (http://biblio.bmayor.unc.edu.ar in the near future) you can Browse by Subject<http://biblio.bmayor.famaf.unc.edu.ar/cgi-bin/koha/opac-authorities-home.pl> (switch previously to english) for example "POESIA" and you get some authority records, in particular $aPOESIA *used for/see from:* GENERO LIRICO *used for/see from:* GENERO POETICO *see also:* GENEROS LITERARIOS *see also:* VERSIFICACION *see also:* CLASIFICACION DE LOS VERSOS *see also:* CLASIFICACION DE LAS ESTROFAS<http://biblio.bmayor.famaf.unc.edu.ar/cgi-bin/koha/opac-authoritiesdetail.pl?authid=4488> * * *The biblios linked to/from this authority are 212. If you search "poesia" in the usual way (without using authorities) you get a lot of records (including those 212) and it is ok. The problem is, in my opinion, when you search for a "non used term", for example "GENERO LIRICO", because you get a No Result found!. I think the correct answer should be, at least, that you get all the records that link to the authority record "POESIA". If not, the autorithy system has no sense (o very little) for the OPAC user.* *My question is: * *Do Koha work in this way or is a problem of missconfiguration? * complementary: Is it possible to configure/modify Koha/Zebra in such way that the usual search works with the non used terms? Bye. Thanks in advance. " On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:48 PM, Chris Nighswonger < cnighswonger@foundations.edu> wrote:
Hi Kathy,
On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 9:38 PM, kdr@ckls.org <kdr@ckls.org> wrote:
The Koha set up is somewhat clunky, but is at least a beginning in trying to make things standardized. The first improvement I would suggest is the ability to import LC authority headings into Koha...
I think this is a great enhancement idea. Something similar to the marc import tool or possibly similar to the z3950 biblio search. Would you mind opening an enhancement request at http://bugs.koha.org so that we can keep track of it and possibly garner some sponsorship for it?
Kind Regards, Chris
Christopher Nighswonger Faculty Member Network & Systems Director Foundations Bible College & Seminary www.foundations.edu www.fbcradio.org
Original Message: ----------------- From: scott scott@sedc.k12.ut.us Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 10:05:07 -0600 To: koha@lists.katipo.co.nz Subject: [Koha] Authorities help
What are the authorities for? I cant find a explanation for them, I am trying to edit the 100 $a field, i figured out how to add authorities, do a search for that authority to stick it in the 100$a field, but whats the point? I could just turn them off, would it have a great affect on things?
Thanks. For those that reply.
-Scott
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Hi Alejandro, We have been trying to figure out getting Koha Authorities to work for ourselves and some of our customers. A number of things seem to be in the system but not working properly. It looks like it maybe worked in a previous version (does Paul P know?). Most of the UK libraries expect to be able to use an authority file and many are happy to build and maintain an authority file if needed. We have tried loading authority files but at version 3.0.x the indexing has often not worked and even when we get that to work, the script to link bib to authorities does not work. In these cases if you manually edit a bib record it will then check and link to correct authorities, but if you then rerun the script to link them it breaks the link again :-( We have also found that the See From and other authority linking seems to not work at all although there is mention of being able to create these structures. A while ago I looked some of this up on bugzilla and found some indication that the major developers thought that it might not need fixing as nobody used it much. I guess nobody will use it if it is broken :-) A cynic might think it got in the way of a sponsored development. I appreciate this is not a detailed description of the problems or solutions but I wanted to say that lots of people would use authorities if it worked reliably. We have also come across customers who are interested in multi-lingual authority/thesaurus. Is there much interest in getting authorities working to at least the level of the documentation or as implied by the migration tools on the system? Ian PTFS Europe (not a librarian but worked with library systems for 15 years) ----- Original Message ----- From: Alejandro Tiraboschi To: koha@lists.katipo.co.nz Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 12:47 PM Subject: Re: [Koha] Authorities help Authorities are great, but I think that don't work well in Koha. See below my post on May 5 (nobody answer). Bye, Alejandro Tiraboschi. " Hi: I have a question related with searching when koha has authorities enabled. In the OPAC http://biblio.bmayor.famaf.unc.edu.ar (http://biblio.bmayor.unc.edu.ar in the near future) you can Browse by Subject (switch previously to english) for example "POESIA" and you get some authority records, in particular $aPOESIA used for/see from: GENERO LIRICO used for/see from: GENERO POETICO see also: GENEROS LITERARIOS see also: VERSIFICACION see also: CLASIFICACION DE LOS VERSOS see also: CLASIFICACION DE LAS ESTROFAS The biblios linked to/from this authority are 212. If you search "poesia" in the usual way (without using authorities) you get a lot of records (including those 212) and it is ok. The problem is, in my opinion, when you search for a "non used term", for example "GENERO LIRICO", because you get a No Result found!. I think the correct answer should be, at least, that you get all the records that link to the authority record "POESIA". If not, the autorithy system has no sense (o very little) for the OPAC user. My question is: Do Koha work in this way or is a problem of missconfiguration? complementary: Is it possible to configure/modify Koha/Zebra in such way that the usual search works with the non used terms? Bye. Thanks in advance. " On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:48 PM, Chris Nighswonger <cnighswonger@foundations.edu> wrote: Hi Kathy, On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 9:38 PM, kdr@ckls.org <kdr@ckls.org> wrote: > The Koha set up is somewhat clunky, but is at least a beginning in trying > to make things standardized. The first improvement I would suggest is the > ability to import LC authority headings into Koha... I think this is a great enhancement idea. Something similar to the marc import tool or possibly similar to the z3950 biblio search. Would you mind opening an enhancement request at http://bugs.koha.org so that we can keep track of it and possibly garner some sponsorship for it? Kind Regards, Chris Christopher Nighswonger Faculty Member Network & Systems Director Foundations Bible College & Seminary www.foundations.edu www.fbcradio.org > Original Message: > ----------------- > From: scott scott@sedc.k12.ut.us > Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 10:05:07 -0600 > To: koha@lists.katipo.co.nz > Subject: [Koha] Authorities help > > > What are the authorities for? I cant find a explanation for them, I am > trying to edit the 100 $a field, i figured out how to add authorities, > do a search for that authority to stick it in the 100$a field, but whats > the point? I could just turn them off, would it have a great affect on > things? > > Thanks. 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Yes, I would love for authorities to work. The scientists in state agencies just love to change how they sign their documents. Nicknames, initials, no initials, full name, etc. Lenora Lenora A. Oftedahl StreamNet Regional Librarian Columbia River Inter-Tribal Fish Commission http://www.fishlib.org
Not to get too deeply into this, but yes, I believe that authorities will be getting much better soon. Our library really depends on authority work, and I don't want to slow down our catalogers in order to maintain collection maintenance. Thanks, -- Ben ("Maintain maintenance." Nice, Ide.) On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 2:54 PM, Lenora Oftedahl <oftl@critfc.org> wrote:
Yes, I would love for authorities to work. The scientists in state agencies just love to change how they sign their documents. Nicknames, initials, no initials, full name, etc.
Lenora
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Hi Ben, It sounds like you might be sponsoring it. It would be much appreciated and probably beneficial too if it could be released to the community early :) Cheers Jo. On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 3:15 AM, Ben Ide <benide@gmail.com> wrote:
Not to get too deeply into this, but yes, I believe that authorities will be getting much better soon.
Our library really depends on authority work, and I don't want to slow down our catalogers in order to maintain collection maintenance.
Thanks, -- Ben
("Maintain maintenance." Nice, Ide.)
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 2:54 PM, Lenora Oftedahl <oftl@critfc.org> wrote:
Yes, I would love for authorities to work. The scientists in state agencies just love to change how they sign their documents. Nicknames, initials, no initials, full name, etc.
Lenora
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-- Joann Ransom RLIANZA Acting Head of Libraries, Horowhenua Library Trust.
Not me exclusively -- I wish! Even in a large consortia, there may only be one or two libraries that use authorities. And even then, they might not always maintain them. What's heartening is that OCLC isn't the only place to get authority standards from: https://biblios.net/can-i-access-authority-files-‡bibliosnet (Not that anyone here would be interested. Heh.) Add to wish list: "Release authority work earlier than soon." Done. ;-) Thanks, -- Ben On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 8:13 PM, Joann Ransom <jransom@library.org.nz> wrote:
Hi Ben,
It sounds like you might be sponsoring it. It would be much appreciated and probably beneficial too if it could be released to the community early :)
Cheers Jo.
On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 3:15 AM, Ben Ide <benide@gmail.com> wrote:
Not to get too deeply into this, but yes, I believe that authorities will be getting much better soon.
Our library really depends on authority work, and I don't want to slow down our catalogers in order to maintain collection maintenance.
Thanks, -- Ben
("Maintain maintenance." Nice, Ide.)
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 2:54 PM, Lenora Oftedahl <oftl@critfc.org> wrote:
Yes, I would love for authorities to work. The scientists in state agencies just love to change how they sign their documents. Nicknames, initials, no initials, full name, etc.
Lenora
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wow this caused a stir, thanks for the help this makes perfect sense.
I know Mason James from KohaAloha has done work on authorities for Kapiti Libraries here in NZ .. hopefully he will chip in :) Cheers Jo. On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 8:19 AM, scott <scott@sedc.k12.ut.us> wrote:
wow this caused a stir, thanks for the help this makes perfect sense.
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"Ian Bays" <ian.bays@ptfs-europe.com> wrote:
We have also found that the See From and other authority linking seems to not work at all although there is mention of being able to create these structures. A while ago I looked some of this up on bugzilla and found some indication that the major developers thought that it might not need fixing as nobody used it much. I guess nobody will use it if it is broken :-) A cynic might think it got in the way of a sponsored development.
I really don't think such accusations should be made against other developers without linking to some justification. It just seems rude and uncooperative. I suspect it's more likely that no-one was sponsoring the developers who drove MARC21 in 3.0 to work hard on authorities, but I'm not sure what "sponsored development" is being referenced above. I've been working on Authorities and they don't seem to work correctly for MARC21 in 3.0, but the UNIMARC support is different. There's certainly some work to do and lots of testing needed to find all the bits which need improvement. Patches welcome. Sponsorship even more so. Regards, -- MJ Ray, member of www.software.coop Experts in web and GNU/Linux (TTLLP # in subject emails = copy to all workers unless asked.) Turo Technology LLP, reg'd in England+Wales, number OC303457 Reg. Office: 36 Orchard Cl., Kewstoke, Somerset, GB-BS22 9XY
Part of the problem here is finding a place to Z to. LC doesn't provide Z access to their Authority base at this time that I know of. When we were on our "OTHER" ILS we had to search LC and download them one at a time. I do know there are "authority services" provided by companies for ongoing maintenance, but I am not sure where Koha stands with this type of work. I would like the browse by subject to actually work in the pac. I see that the "see reference" option is now actually showing titles... David Schuster Chris Nighswonger wrote:
Hi Kathy,
On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 9:38 PM, kdr@ckls.org <kdr@ckls.org> wrote:
The Koha set up is somewhat clunky, but is at least a beginning in trying to make things standardized. The first improvement I would suggest is the ability to import LC authority headings into Koha...
I think this is a great enhancement idea. Something similar to the marc import tool or possibly similar to the z3950 biblio search. Would you mind opening an enhancement request at http://bugs.koha.org so that we can keep track of it and possibly garner some sponsorship for it?
Kind Regards, Chris
Christopher Nighswonger Faculty Member Network & Systems Director Foundations Bible College & Seminary www.foundations.edu www.fbcradio.org
Original Message: ----------------- From: scott scott@sedc.k12.ut.us Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 10:05:07 -0600 To: koha@lists.katipo.co.nz Subject: [Koha] Authorities help
What are the authorities for? I cant find a explanation for them, I am trying to edit the 100 $a field, i figured out how to add authorities, do a search for that authority to stick it in the 100$a field, but whats the point? I could just turn them off, would it have a great affect on things?
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-Scott
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We do not use authorities in our current system, is there some source of authority records that I could run my current marc database against and then load? Apologies if the is a silly question. On Sep 18, 2009, at 9:10 AM, David Schuster wrote:
Part of the problem here is finding a place to Z to. LC doesn't provide Z access to their Authority base at this time that I know of. When we were on our "OTHER" ILS we had to search LC and download them one at a time.
I do know there are "authority services" provided by companies for ongoing maintenance, but I am not sure where Koha stands with this type of work.
I would like the browse by subject to actually work in the pac. I see that the "see reference" option is now actually showing titles...
David Schuster
Chris Nighswonger wrote:
Hi Kathy,
On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 9:38 PM, kdr@ckls.org <kdr@ckls.org> wrote:
The Koha set up is somewhat clunky, but is at least a beginning in trying to make things standardized. The first improvement I would suggest is the ability to import LC authority headings into Koha...
I think this is a great enhancement idea. Something similar to the marc import tool or possibly similar to the z3950 biblio search. Would you mind opening an enhancement request at http://bugs.koha.org so that we can keep track of it and possibly garner some sponsorship for it?
Kind Regards, Chris
Christopher Nighswonger Faculty Member Network & Systems Director Foundations Bible College & Seminary www.foundations.edu www.fbcradio.org
Original Message: ----------------- From: scott scott@sedc.k12.ut.us Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 10:05:07 -0600 To: koha@lists.katipo.co.nz Subject: [Koha] Authorities help
What are the authorities for? I cant find a explanation for them, I am trying to edit the 100 $a field, i figured out how to add authorities, do a search for that authority to stick it in the 100$a field, but whats the point? I could just turn them off, would it have a great affect on things?
Thanks. For those that reply.
-Scott
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Chris Nighswonger wrote:
On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 9:38 PM, kdr@ckls.org <kdr@ckls.org> wrote:
The Koha set up is somewhat clunky, but is at least a beginning in trying to make things standardized. The first improvement I would suggest is the ability to import LC authority headings into Koha...
I think this is a great enhancement idea. Something similar to the marc import tool or possibly similar to the z3950 biblio search. Would you mind opening an enhancement request at http://bugs.koha.org so that we can keep track of it and possibly garner some sponsorship for it?
Currently there's bulkauthimport.pl, which is good for one-time imports from the command line. I've created a heavily modified version for loading the weekly updates from LC, and would be happy to clean it up and submit it as a patch. I've been a little reluctant to do it so far because it's MARC21 and LC specific (relying on the 010 field), but if other folks would find it useful.... Brian -- Brian Harrington Content and Resource Development Coordinator Project MUSE The Johns Hopkins University Press brian@jhu.edu
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