Re: [Koha] Number of Koha Libraries in the Word
Hi Everyone, I agree completely with Sebastian’s suggestion. I don’t see any reason to re-invent the wheel. Let’s link the page on the KC website to Marshall’s map. It is an already established site and is very easy to use and navigate. It is a win for the KC because we don’t need to re-do all of that work, and it is a win for Marshall because it will bring more traffic to his site! Sebastian, perhaps we can get together with Liz and anyone else who would like to be involved in this and talk about how it would look. All the best, -Nate Message: 9 Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2016 12:12:42 +0100 From: Sebastian Hierl <s.hierl@aarome.org <mailto:s.hierl@aarome.org>> To: Radek Šiman <radek.siman@centrum.cz <mailto:radek.siman@centrum.cz>> Cc: "koha@lists.katipo.co.nz <mailto:koha@lists.katipo.co.nz>" <koha@lists.katipo.co.nz <mailto:koha@lists.katipo.co.nz>> Subject: Re: [Koha] Number of Koha Libraries in the Word Message-ID: <CA+QGety-nXZ+oiKfF0G5GPTyp3atF7ECjK=xyndc-wdTKVpfuA@mail.gmail.com <mailto:CA+QGety-nXZ+oiKfF0G5GPTyp3atF7ECjK=xyndc-wdTKVpfuA@mail.gmail.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Dear all, Thank you for your contributions and ideas. I think that we should link/embed Marshall Breeding's map https://librarytechnology.org/libraries/map.pl?ILS=Koha <https://librarytechnology.org/libraries/map.pl?ILS=Koha> at koha-community.org <http://koha-community.org/>. The main point is to provide newcomers interested in Koha with reassurance that Koha is stable, mature, and implemented throughout the world in libraries of all types. Marshall Breeding's site provides descriptions of the libraries (size, circulation) and links to their opacs. We do not need to reinvent the wheel, just a map that provides someone interested in Koha with the information they are seeking. -Sebastian -- Sebastian Hierl, Ph.D. Drue Heinz Librarian, Arthur & Janet C. Ross Library American Academy in Rome Via Angelo Masina 5 00153 Rome Italy T: +39 06 5846 417 F: +39 06 5810 788
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Thank you, Nate! This sounds good and I look forward to continuing the discussion. Best, -Sebastian -- Sebastian Hierl, Ph.D. Drue Heinz Librarian, Arthur & Janet C. Ross Library American Academy in Rome Via Angelo Masina 5 00153 Rome Italy T: +39 06 5846 417 F: +39 06 5810 788 On Mon, Dec 12, 2016 at 5:19 PM, Nathan Curulla <nate@bywatersolutions.com> wrote:
Hi Everyone,
I agree completely with Sebastian’s suggestion. I don’t see any reason to re-invent the wheel. Let’s link the page on the KC website to Marshall’s map. It is an already established site and is very easy to use and navigate. It is a win for the KC because we don’t need to re-do all of that work, and it is a win for Marshall because it will bring more traffic to his site! Sebastian, perhaps we can get together with Liz and anyone else who would like to be involved in this and talk about how it would look.
All the best,
-Nate
Message: 9 Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2016 12:12:42 +0100 From: Sebastian Hierl <s.hierl@aarome.org <mailto:s.hierl@aarome.org>> To: Radek Šiman <radek.siman@centrum.cz <mailto:radek.siman@centrum.cz>> Cc: "koha@lists.katipo.co.nz <mailto:koha@lists.katipo.co.nz>" < koha@lists.katipo.co.nz <mailto:koha@lists.katipo.co.nz>> Subject: Re: [Koha] Number of Koha Libraries in the Word Message-ID: <CA+QGety-nXZ+oiKfF0G5GPTyp3atF7ECjK=xyndc- wdTKVpfuA@mail.gmail.com <mailto:CA+QGety-nXZ+oiKfF0G5GPTyp3atF7ECjK= xyndc-wdTKVpfuA@mail.gmail.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
Dear all,
Thank you for your contributions and ideas. I think that we should link/embed Marshall Breeding's map https://librarytechnology.org/libraries/map.pl?ILS=Koha < https://librarytechnology.org/libraries/map.pl?ILS=Koha> at koha-community.org <http://koha-community.org/>. The main point is to provide newcomers interested in Koha with reassurance that Koha is stable, mature, and implemented throughout the world in libraries of all types. Marshall Breeding's site provides descriptions of the libraries (size, circulation) and links to their opacs. We do not need to reinvent the wheel, just a map that provides someone interested in Koha with the information they are seeking.
-Sebastian
-- Sebastian Hierl, Ph.D. Drue Heinz Librarian, Arthur & Janet C. Ross Library American Academy in Rome Via Angelo Masina 5 00153 Rome Italy
T: +39 06 5846 417 F: +39 06 5810 788
Nathan A. Curulla Owner, CRO ByWater Solutions Support and Consulting for Open Source Software Headquarters: Portland, OR. East Coast Office: Redding, CT. Phone/Fax # (888) 900-8944 xt 2 Cell # (203) 685-7207
http://bywatersolutions.com <http://bywatersolutions.com/> nate@bywatersolutions.com <mailto:nate@bywatersolutions.com>
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Hi All I'm going to be a dissenting voice on this. (There's always one) I much prefer hea because it has an open data license. I'm totally fine with reinventing the wheel when the wheel is proprietary :) Chris On 13 December 2016 5:19:29 AM NZDT, Nathan Curulla <nate@bywatersolutions.com> wrote:
Hi Everyone,
I agree completely with Sebastian’s suggestion. I don’t see any reason to re-invent the wheel. Let’s link the page on the KC website to Marshall’s map. It is an already established site and is very easy to use and navigate. It is a win for the KC because we don’t need to re-do all of that work, and it is a win for Marshall because it will bring more traffic to his site! Sebastian, perhaps we can get together with Liz and anyone else who would like to be involved in this and talk about how it would look.
All the best,
-Nate
Message: 9 Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2016 12:12:42 +0100 From: Sebastian Hierl <s.hierl@aarome.org <mailto:s.hierl@aarome.org>> To: Radek Šiman <radek.siman@centrum.cz <mailto:radek.siman@centrum.cz>> Cc: "koha@lists.katipo.co.nz <mailto:koha@lists.katipo.co.nz>" <koha@lists.katipo.co.nz <mailto:koha@lists.katipo.co.nz>> Subject: Re: [Koha] Number of Koha Libraries in the Word Message-ID: <CA+QGety-nXZ+oiKfF0G5GPTyp3atF7ECjK=xyndc-wdTKVpfuA@mail.gmail.com <mailto:CA+QGety-nXZ+oiKfF0G5GPTyp3atF7ECjK=xyndc-wdTKVpfuA@mail.gmail.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
Dear all,
Thank you for your contributions and ideas. I think that we should link/embed Marshall Breeding's map https://librarytechnology.org/libraries/map.pl?ILS=Koha <https://librarytechnology.org/libraries/map.pl?ILS=Koha> at koha-community.org <http://koha-community.org/>. The main point is to provide newcomers interested in Koha with reassurance that Koha is stable, mature, and implemented throughout the world in libraries of all types. Marshall Breeding's site provides descriptions of the libraries (size, circulation) and links to their opacs. We do not need to reinvent the wheel, just a map that provides someone interested in Koha with the information they are seeking.
-Sebastian
-- Sebastian Hierl, Ph.D. Drue Heinz Librarian, Arthur & Janet C. Ross Library American Academy in Rome Via Angelo Masina 5 00153 Rome Italy
T: +39 06 5846 417 F: +39 06 5810 788
Nathan A. Curulla Owner, CRO ByWater Solutions Support and Consulting for Open Source Software Headquarters: Portland, OR. East Coast Office: Redding, CT. Phone/Fax # (888) 900-8944 xt 2 Cell # (203) 685-7207
http://bywatersolutions.com <http://bywatersolutions.com/> nate@bywatersolutions.com <mailto:nate@bywatersolutions.com>
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+1 While Marshall's directory is a valuable source with lots of interesting information, there are also known limits to it that have been discussed before. I think it has merit that we as a community have a way for libraries to enlist themselves as users. So far we got Hea and a lot of cool entries on the wiki. I think for marketing purposes the wiki is a bit nicer, as it has the full names of the libraries and links to their catalogs. Why not link this page and maybe clean it up a bit? We could also offer to help libraries to add their entries there without having to register. Katrin On 12.12.2016 18:05, Indranil Das Gupta wrote:
On Dec 12, 2016 10:28 PM, "Chris Cormack" <chrisc@catalyst.net.nz> wrote:
Hi All
I'm going to be a dissenting voice on this. (There's always one)
I much prefer hea because it has an open data license. +1
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Hi, I'd really like to see Hea improved, and link to that instead. It is our own, open, data. It is fully voluntary. We can make the registration process easier for libraries - possibly as part of the installer. It is too hidden now. An API to Hea that I could pull from to use the data on the website would be a nice thing, but not a requirement. I'm happy to simply link to it. We have this tool, we should encourage more strongly the use of it, instead of depending on a third party with non-open data. Liz On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 6:18 AM, Katrin <katrin.fischer.83@web.de> wrote:
+1
While Marshall's directory is a valuable source with lots of interesting information, there are also known limits to it that have been discussed before.
I think it has merit that we as a community have a way for libraries to enlist themselves as users. So far we got Hea and a lot of cool entries on the wiki. I think for marketing purposes the wiki is a bit nicer, as it has the full names of the libraries and links to their catalogs. Why not link this page and maybe clean it up a bit? We could also offer to help libraries to add their entries there without having to register.
Katrin
On 12.12.2016 18:05, Indranil Das Gupta wrote:
On Dec 12, 2016 10:28 PM, "Chris Cormack" <chrisc@catalyst.net.nz> wrote:
Hi All
I'm going to be a dissenting voice on this. (There's always one)
I much prefer hea because it has an open data license.
+1
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Hi Liz
I'd really like to see Hea improved, and link to that instead. It is our own, open, data. It is fully voluntary. We can make the registration process easier for libraries - possibly as part of the installer. It is too hidden now.
An API to Hea that I could pull from to use the data on the website would be a nice thing, but not a requirement. I'm happy to simply link to it.
We have this tool, we should encourage more strongly the use of it, instead of depending on a third party with non-open data.
I feel like Hea isn't exactly what we need. In the manual it says the Koha system preference "UsageStats" asks to share ANONYMOUS Koha usage data with the Koha community. As I understand it this data is not usable to create a map like the one of Marshall Breeding or it is not really anonymous. Also I doubt this data is really "open" - or at least I wouldn't know how to access it. I can only see the accumulated data in http://hea.koha-community.org/ This page looks like a mere collection of numbers to me. Numbers make only sense if you know where they are really coming from but the "anyonymous" part forbids that. In fact I don't really see what's the use of this page except to show some high numbers... I'd be glad if someone could tell. Best wishes: Michael -- Geschäftsführer · Diplombibliothekar BBS, Informatiker eidg. Fachausweis Admin Kuhn GmbH · Pappelstrasse 20 · 4123 Allschwil · Schweiz T 0041 (0)61 261 55 61 · E mik@adminkuhn.ch · W www.adminkuhn.ch
+1 Marc Am 12.12.2016 um 23:15 schrieb Liz Rea:
Hi,
I'd really like to see Hea improved, and link to that instead. It is our own, open, data. It is fully voluntary. We can make the registration process easier for libraries - possibly as part of the installer. It is too hidden now.
An API to Hea that I could pull from to use the data on the website would be a nice thing, but not a requirement. I'm happy to simply link to it.
We have this tool, we should encourage more strongly the use of it, instead of depending on a third party with non-open data.
Liz
On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 6:18 AM, Katrin <katrin.fischer.83@web.de> wrote:
+1
While Marshall's directory is a valuable source with lots of interesting information, there are also known limits to it that have been discussed before.
I think it has merit that we as a community have a way for libraries to enlist themselves as users. So far we got Hea and a lot of cool entries on the wiki. I think for marketing purposes the wiki is a bit nicer, as it has the full names of the libraries and links to their catalogs. Why not link this page and maybe clean it up a bit? We could also offer to help libraries to add their entries there without having to register.
Katrin
On 12.12.2016 18:05, Indranil Das Gupta wrote:
On Dec 12, 2016 10:28 PM, "Chris Cormack" <chrisc@catalyst.net.nz> wrote:
Hi All
I'm going to be a dissenting voice on this. (There's always one)
I much prefer hea because it has an open data license.
+1
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http://hea.koha-community.org/libraries This is the list I am referring to. There is an option to send your library name as part of Hea registration. Cheers, Liz On 13/12/16 12:37, Marc Véron wrote:
+1
Marc
Am 12.12.2016 um 23:15 schrieb Liz Rea:
Hi,
I'd really like to see Hea improved, and link to that instead. It is our own, open, data. It is fully voluntary. We can make the registration process easier for libraries - possibly as part of the installer. It is too hidden now.
An API to Hea that I could pull from to use the data on the website would be a nice thing, but not a requirement. I'm happy to simply link to it.
We have this tool, we should encourage more strongly the use of it, instead of depending on a third party with non-open data.
Liz
On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 6:18 AM, Katrin <katrin.fischer.83@web.de> wrote:
+1
While Marshall's directory is a valuable source with lots of interesting information, there are also known limits to it that have been discussed before.
I think it has merit that we as a community have a way for libraries to enlist themselves as users. So far we got Hea and a lot of cool entries on the wiki. I think for marketing purposes the wiki is a bit nicer, as it has the full names of the libraries and links to their catalogs. Why not link this page and maybe clean it up a bit? We could also offer to help libraries to add their entries there without having to register.
Katrin
On 12.12.2016 18:05, Indranil Das Gupta wrote:
On Dec 12, 2016 10:28 PM, "Chris Cormack" <chrisc@catalyst.net.nz> wrote:
Hi All
I'm going to be a dissenting voice on this. (There's always one)
I much prefer hea because it has an open data license.
+1
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On Mon, Dec 12, 2016 at 5:15 PM, Liz Rea <wizzyrea@gmail.com> wrote:
We can make the registration process easier for libraries - possibly as part of the installer.
+1 to this. I think adding a separate step to the installation process which asks for Hea signup (with links to license and privacy information) should be a high priority. -- Owen -- Web Developer Athens County Public Libraries http://www.myacpl.org
For the records: Bug 14608 - HEA : add possibility of sharing usage statistics in Administration page and Web installer Status: Needs Signoff Am 14.12.2016 um 16:04 schrieb Owen Leonard:
On Mon, Dec 12, 2016 at 5:15 PM, Liz Rea <wizzyrea@gmail.com> wrote:
We can make the registration process easier for libraries - possibly as part of the installer. +1 to this. I think adding a separate step to the installation process which asks for Hea signup (with links to license and privacy information) should be a high priority.
-- Owen
I'm going to be a dissenting voice on this. (There's always one) I much prefer hea because it has an open data license.
+1 -- Owen -- Web Developer Athens County Public Libraries http://www.myacpl.org
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