How to install by uploading through FTP
My school server is Debian GNU/Linux 5.0 And I don't have sudo right in a shell. But I can upload files through FTP. Is there any way I can install it through this way? Thanks in advance. -- View this message in context: http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.com/How-to-install-by-uploading-through-FTP-tp... Sent from the Koha - Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
shinokada wrote:
My school server is Debian GNU/Linux 5.0 And I don't have sudo right in a shell. But I can upload files through FTP. Is there any way I can install it through this way?
If you have another similar-enough Debian GNU/Linux 5.0 server handy, you can install Koha there with the right settings and then FTP all parts to the school server, but it will be tedious and probably difficult to debug some problems with it. If you don't have permission to install packages, you'll need to build them from cpan to install in your target user's /home account and change the PERL5LIB lines to include that directory too. Without some way to add VirtualHosts to the webserver configuration, it may be impossible. I did an FTP install once with 2.0 or 2.2 but even then I could reconfigure the webserver enough to make it work. I don't think it was ever as good as a configurable server, though. So I'd get another server or rent a good hosted Koha because it would probably make things so much quicker and easier that it is worth it. Hope that helps, -- MJ Ray (slef), member of www.software.coop, a for-more-than-profit co-op. http://koha-community.org supporter, web and LMS developer, statistician. In My Opinion Only: see http://mjr.towers.org.uk/email.html Available for hire for Koha work http://www.software.coop/products/koha
Hmm. <wondering out loud> Would it make more sense, in the long-term, to develop Koha as an FTPable application? After all, something with the ease of install/update of WordPress would be a game changer. </wonder> --- Steven Santos Director, Simply Circus, Inc. Email: Steven@SimplyCircus.com Gym: 86 Los Angeles Street Newton, MA 02458 Mail: 14 Pierrepont Road Newton, MA 02462 Phone: 617-527-0667 Fax: 617-934-1870 Web: www.SimplyCircus.com
-----Original Message----- From: koha-bounces@lists.katipo.co.nz [mailto:koha- bounces@lists.katipo.co.nz] On Behalf Of MJ Ray Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 6:03 AM To: koha@lists.katipo.co.nz Subject: Re: [Koha] How to install by uploading through FTP
shinokada wrote:
My school server is Debian GNU/Linux 5.0 And I don't have sudo right in a shell. But I can upload files through FTP. Is there any way I can install it through this way?
If you have another similar-enough Debian GNU/Linux 5.0 server handy, you can install Koha there with the right settings and then FTP all parts to the school server, but it will be tedious and probably difficult to debug some problems with it. If you don't have permission to install packages, you'll need to build them from cpan to install in your target user's /home account and change the PERL5LIB lines to include that directory too. Without some way to add VirtualHosts to the webserver configuration, it may be impossible.
I did an FTP install once with 2.0 or 2.2 but even then I could reconfigure the webserver enough to make it work. I don't think it was ever as good as a configurable server, though.
So I'd get another server or rent a good hosted Koha because it would probably make things so much quicker and easier that it is worth it.
Hope that helps, -- MJ Ray (slef), member of www.software.coop, a for-more-than-profit co- op. http://koha-community.org supporter, web and LMS developer, statistician. In My Opinion Only: see http://mjr.towers.org.uk/email.html Available for hire for Koha work http://www.software.coop/products/koha _______________________________________________ Koha mailing list http://koha-community.org Koha@lists.katipo.co.nz http://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha
Steven Santos wrote:
Would it make more sense, in the long-term, to develop Koha as an FTPable application?
After all, something with the ease of install/update of WordPress would be a game changer.
I think first, someone would need to bring NoZebra back up-to-date so that searching was about as good. The main searching pressure seems to be to make Koha harder to install by adding Java-based Solr, but if we are going to support both Solr and Zebra, then that will mean search becomes more modular and it would be easier to bring NoZebra back. Warning: I only use Koha with Zebra at the moment, so I am probably insulting both Solr and NoZebra variations of Koha. To be fair, Koha is quite a bit more complex than Wordpress and does more things with more specialised data. Second warning: I develop for Wordpress and I am definitely insulting it. ;-) Regards, -- MJ Ray (slef), member of www.software.coop, a for-more-than-profit co-op. http://koha-community.org supporter, web and LMS developer, statistician. In My Opinion Only: see http://mjr.towers.org.uk/email.html Available for hire for Koha work http://www.software.coop/products/koha
On 2011-03-2, at 9:56 AM, Steven Santos wrote:
Hmm.
<wondering out loud>
Would it make more sense, in the long-term, to develop Koha as an FTPable application?
hmmm, not really the problem here is not installing Koha but needing root/sudo privs to install Koha's system-level *dependancies*
After all, something with the ease of install/update of WordPress would be a game changer.
typing 'sudo apt-get install koha' is just as easy as typing 'sudo apt-get install wordpress', no? cheers, Mason -- KohaAloha, NZ
Would it make more sense, in the long-term, to develop Koha as an FTPable application?
the problem here is not installing Koha but needing root/sudo privs to install Koha's system-level *dependencies*
I think this is the main point: It would be nice to simplify Koha's installation, but Koha's technical requirements make it impossible (as far as I understand it).
typing 'sudo apt-get install koha' is just as easy as typing 'sudo apt-get install wordpress', no?
The question is about accommodating users who only have FTP access. Users without command-line access cannot sudo apt-get anything! -- Owen -- Web Developer Athens County Public Libraries http://www.myacpl.org
Only when it works. --- Steven Santos Director, Simply Circus, Inc. Email: Steven@SimplyCircus.com Gym: 86 Los Angeles Street Newton, MA 02458 Mail: 14 Pierrepont Road Newton, MA 02462 Phone: 617-527-0667 Fax: 617-934-1870 Web: www.SimplyCircus.com
-----Original Message----- From: koha-bounces@lists.katipo.co.nz [mailto:koha- bounces@lists.katipo.co.nz] On Behalf Of James, Mason Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2011 7:37 PM To: Steven Santos Cc: koha@lists.katipo.co.nz Subject: Re: [Koha] How to install by uploading through FTP
On 2011-03-2, at 9:56 AM, Steven Santos wrote:
Hmm.
<wondering out loud>
Would it make more sense, in the long-term, to develop Koha as an FTPable application?
hmmm, not really
the problem here is not installing Koha
but needing root/sudo privs to install Koha's system-level *dependancies*
After all, something with the ease of install/update of WordPress
would be a
game changer.
typing 'sudo apt-get install koha' is just as easy as typing 'sudo apt- get install wordpress', no?
cheers, Mason -- KohaAloha, NZ
_______________________________________________ Koha mailing list http://koha-community.org Koha@lists.katipo.co.nz http://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha
Hi, On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 3:56 PM, Steven Santos <Steven@simplycircus.com> wrote:
Would it make more sense, in the long-term, to develop Koha as an FTPable application?
Koha can already be installed as a non-root user (assuming that there is *some* provision for updating the Apache configuration to add the virtual host definitions used by a typical Koha installation). The trade-off is more complexity during the installation, potentially including * compiling Yaz and Zebra from source * installing all the Perl modules from CPAN However, while I appreciate that there are a great many libraries that would have a difficult time getting root access on a box, it's getting easier all the time. Specifically, if you are considering hosting your own Koha database on something other than a server that you own and have root (or sudo) access to, consider using a VPS service rather than a traditional web host. The cost of a lowend VPS suitable for running a small Koha database is comparable to what you would be charged for a traditional web host that provides non-root shell access. Regards, Galen -- Galen Charlton gmcharlt@gmail.com
participants (6)
-
Galen Charlton -
James, Mason -
MJ Ray -
Owen Leonard -
shinokada -
Steven Santos