Derek, Your Winnebago data has item information. For example on the last record, _9p14.95 ^_h001.535 R51b^_p10006^^WL^_t6^^^] is item information. Subfield h contains the specific call number for the item, I think subfield p is the barcode number. This field can be repeated in a MARC record, so it is possible to have several items attached to one bibliographic record. As for the structure it basically follows the Functional Requirements for Bibliographic Records (FRBR). We are dealing with an expression of a work, the manifestation of that expression and then an individual copy of that expression. There is lots more about FRBR at the IFLA Web site. I'm not sure, but was the database constructed to conform to FRBR? If not, it might be a good exercise for a library student to map the database to the FRBR. In the commercial field only VTLS has a FRBR system available. Sincerely, David Bigwood bigwood@lpi.usra.edu Lunar & Planetary Institute Cataloging news: http://www.catalogablog.blogspot.com -----Original Message----- From: Derek Dresser [mailto:Derek.Dresser@gouldacademy.org] Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 10:40 PM To: koha@lists.katipo.co.nz Subject: Re: [Koha] import question Chris, This helps a lot. Let me just make sure I have it. A biblio is the general information about a publication, a biblioitem is a type of incarnation of a publication (book on tape, paperback, hardcover, first edition, etc.) and an item is an actual thing that can be checked out that fits one of those types. So you can obviously have multiple types, and then one or more instances of each type. That makes sense. Thanks. Now, during the import process of a bunch of USMARC records using bulkmarcimport.pl, should I expect my database to be populated with any items? After doing it, it seems that I get biblios and biblioitems, but no actual items. Just for fun I created a test "item" that matched one of my biblios and biblioitems, and then searched for it. It worked great an I got all the relevant info (bar code, etc). However, it is the only item in my whole database. ;-( I guess the real question is, "Is there enough information in a USMARC record to generate the item as well as the biblio and biblioitems, and should I expect bulkmarcimport.pl to do that?" I'd like to extract as much information as possible out of the Winnebago data. Basically, as far as I know, each USMARC record in the file represents an actual item in our library. Here is a small piece of the data file (about 4 or 5 records) if that helps clarify anything. Thanks again to everyone for your help and great work. FYI, We are hosting a 3 day Linux/Open Source seminar here at the school at the end of July and I'm giving one session on installing and configuring Koha. It is aimed at schools and libraries here in Maine. Should be fun. 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