Lori, Thanks for the information. This pretty much says what ByWater told us to set when we went online, but I'm still looking for information on how relevance works, and why it does what it does. This still remains a mystery. Christopher Brannon From: loriayre@gmail.com [mailto:loriayre@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Lori Bowen Ayre Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 2:48 PM To: BRANNON, CHRISTOPHER Cc: koha@lists.katipo.co.nz Subject: Re: [Koha] Relevance This this help? 01:42<http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/2012-04-27#i_958182> Milts_NZ Hey Idlers, is there anyone I can talk to about stopwords in Koha? 01:42<http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/2012-04-27#i_958183> druthb Hi, Milts. :) 01:43<http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/2012-04-27#i_958184> Milts_NZ hey :D 01:43<http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/2012-04-27#i_958185> we're playing with stopwords, and it seems to make little difference... is it correct that you can't use stopwords if Zebra is turned on? 01:43<http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/2012-04-27#i_958186> because without them our relevancy ranking is pretty off... 01:44<http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/2012-04-27#i_958187> druthb The short answer is, if you're using NoZebra, there are stopwords, but you have bigger problems, as that is deprecated, and really shouldn't be used. If you're using Zebra, there are no stopwords. 01:44<http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/2012-04-27#i_958188> Milts_NZ ah I was wondering that. We are using Zebra. 01:44<http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/2012-04-27#i_958189> druthb I've not observed that problem here; lemme grab a couple of settings for you to check. 01:44<http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/2012-04-27#i_958190> mtj ooh, that sounds like it needs a bug logged 01:44<http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/2012-04-27#i_958191> druthb what does? 01:44<http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/2012-04-27#i_958192> wahanui does is calculate the discount on this price or the tax is removed before to calculte the discount on the price before taxes? 01:45<http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/2012-04-27#i_958193> druthb wahanui: forget does 01:45<http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/2012-04-27#i_958194> wahanui druthb: I forgot does 01:45<http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/2012-04-27#i_958195> Milts_NZ I've got a screenshot of a search for the title of an item uploaded here:http://www.4freeimagehost.com/[...]=8740fa83bc35.png<http://www.4freeimagehost.com/show.php?i=8740fa83bc35.png> 01:46<http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/2012-04-27#i_958196> and it appears 6th in the list with all the items before it seemingly appearing because they have "a" and "the" in the titles 01:46<http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/2012-04-27#i_958197> druthb we get best results with QueryAutoTruncate set to "only if * is added", QueryFuzzy "Try", QueryStemming "Try", QueryWeightFields "Enable". 01:47<http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/2012-04-27#i_958198> Now, in the default install, defaultSortField/defaultSortOrder are set to relevance/ascending, which doesn't make much sense...it puts the *lowest* relevance first. 01:47<http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/2012-04-27#i_958199> Milts_NZ OK. We don't have QueryFuzzy and QueryStemming on, maybe they would help 01:47<http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/2012-04-27#i_958200> ooooo o.0 01:47<http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/2012-04-27#i_958201> druthb I always end up setting defaultSortOrder and OPACdefaultSortOrder to "descending," which makes better sense for relevance. 01:48<http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/2012-04-27#i_958202> Milts_NZ will that also make a difference when searching in the staff side? 01:48<http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/2012-04-27#i_958203> druthb defaultSortOrder is the staff sidd, OPACdefaultSortOrder is the OPAC 01:48<http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/2012-04-27#i_958204> *side 01:49<http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/2012-04-27#i_958205> mtj druthb: a patch to remove stopwords, after nozebra code is deleted 01:49<http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/2012-04-27#i_958206> druthb no need to reindex when you change those; it Just Works. 01:49<http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/2012-04-27#i_958207> mtj++ once NoZebra is gone, yeah, all the stuff that only works for NoZebra needs to go away tooooo 01:50<http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/2012-04-27#i_958208> Milts_NZ druthb: Thanks, playing with the sort order's done it 01:50<http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/2012-04-27#i_958209> druthb Glad to have been of service Milts. I set up new installs all the time, and that's just one of my setting-up steps. 01:52<http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/2012-04-27#i_958210> Milts_NZ druthb: SpaceLibrarian also says Hi and THANKS I found it in the IRC logs by searching "relevancy" in the home page search box. Lori =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Lori Bowen Ayre // Library Technology Consultant / The Galecia Group Oversight Board & Communications Committee / Evergreen (707) 763-6869 // Lori.Ayre@galecia.com<mailto:Lori.Ayre@galecia.com> Availability: http://tungle.me/lori.ayre Specializing in open source ILS solutions, RFID, filtering, workflow optimization, and materials handling =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 1:38 PM, BRANNON, CHRISTOPHER <CBRANNON@cdalibrary.org<mailto:CBRANNON@cdalibrary.org>> wrote: I was wondering if anyone could shed some light on how relevance is determined in the Koha catalog. Our consortium cannot figure out why things are in the order they are in when sorting by relevance. There is apparently no information handy on this topic. Any insight on this topic would be most appreciated! Christopher _______________________________________________ Koha mailing list http://koha-community.org Koha@lists.katipo.co.nz<mailto:Koha@lists.katipo.co.nz> http://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha