[Koha] Use of indicators in field 245

[Katrin Fischer]

Hi,

I remembered a bug report relating to this:

*Bug 14332*
<https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14332> - Skip
title articles on Opac using ind2 of tag 245 (MARC21 only)

Koha uses the second indicator for sorting by title.

Katrin

On 20.09.19 09:08, Ere Maijala wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Even if leadign article or other nonfiling characters can be handled
> pretty well in modern search engines, it's worth noting that it's not so
> straight-forward for sorting or any left-anchored searches. Like you
> mentioned, we should always keep in mind that MARC records can be
> exchanged between systems, and not all are created equal. In my
> experience any deviation from standards comes back to bite you at the
> latest when you switch systems.
>
> Regards,
> Ere
>
> Eric Phetteplace kirjoitti 18.9.2019 klo 19.55:
>> Hi Giacomo,
>>
>> You're right that the second indicator, nonfiling characters, doesn't
>> really seem to do anything. It's an archaic holdover and probably not
>> needed with the complicated indexing mechanisms that are available to us
>> now. It's pretty trivial for machines to skip leading stopwords like "the"
>> etc. without instruction.
>>
>> The first indicator is still meaningful, I believe. Having a main entry
>> under one of the 1XX fields and then a title added entry is enabled by this
>> indicator. So following this example documentation
>> <https://www.itsmarc.com/crs/mergedprojects/conser/conser/module_7_4__ccm.htm>
>> I found:
>>
>> 111 2# $a Federal Management Improvement Conference.
>> 245 10 $a Proceedings of the Federal Management Improvement Conference.
>>
>> The "title" of the serial is the name of the conference and the 245 is used
>> as an added entry. I'm not a cataloger so the function of a title added
>> entry isn't entirely clear to me but a lot  (about half) of our records
>> have this indicator set to 1.
>>
>> So our records still use both indicators, however we mainly copy catalog.
>> It makes sense to keep using the fields especially when it's free like
>> this. Just because they don't have a lot of importance in Koha doesn't mean
>> another system won't care about them and it makes the data more consistent
>> with other MARC repositories.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> ERIC PHETTEPLACE Systems Librarian (he/him)
>>
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>>
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>>
>> On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 12:07 AM Giacomo Visini <
>> Giacomo.VISINI at divaantwerp.be> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi fellow Koha users,
>>>
>>> Just a quick question. Can someone shed a light on the use of the
>>> indicators in field 245? Since our conversion to Koha we stopped using
>>> them, but data from previous systems has these indicators filled in. Upon
>>> inspection, in most cases the given value is even wrong somehow (0's are
>>> 1's etc.). But it doesn't seem to affect indexation.
>>>
>>> So my question is, is there no need to fill in the indicators of field
>>> 245? Do you guys use them? For what purpose?
>>>
>>> For the sake of exhaustivity: we are currently using version 18.11.06.000
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance for any replies.
>>>
>>> Kind regards,
>>>
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