[Koha] Spam from BestBookBuddies (OpenLX)

Wed Aug 9 06:47:35 NZST 2017

This is what I get from the discussion so far as facts that concern the 
community:

- You never replied to Jonathan or filled out the form. That's why you 
ended up on the list of companies to be removed from the directory.

- You sent unsolicited emails advertising your servies to a library in 
the US. I can tell you that this kind of action is frowned upon not only 
in the US, but in Germany too.

Everything else you write about I have no idea about nor do I think this 
is the right place to discuss it.

Katrin

On 08.08.2017 20:26, Sudhir Gandotra @ Kalculate wrote:
> Well Chris Cormack,  It will be very interesting to note that a Koha
> Service Provider with over 400 Libraries to his credit, will be removed
> from the official list, because he sent a mail to a Library informing about
> his Koha Services.
>
> It will be an interesting standard to be fixed for this community and to be
> watched closely by many in the future.
>
> It is interesting to note that while you do not rightly want to be part of
> the trouble between some service providers, you seem to be influenced by
> some of them. I hope I will be proven wrong on this point, which seems to
> be clear conclusion from what you wrote.
>
> *By the way, how do we decide that my mail to a library, a direct mail sent
> to them, can be termed as a spam ?*
>
> *Since when, did people start talking of their services only when someone
> asks for them ?*
>
> I trust the common sense will prevail and all of us will remain promoting
> Koha and not the fears of some people around here.
>
> By the way, my request for being listed as a Koha service provider
> (BestBook Buddies.com) is still not approved and I have resent the request
> today.
>
> Sudhir Gandotra
>
> On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 11:42 PM, Chris Cormack <chrisc at catalyst.net.nz>
> wrote:
>
>> Just a quick note, unsolicited emails, or spam as it is commonly known is
>> indeed a crime in some jurisdictions. And in almost every one it is against
>> convention.
>>
>> I'm not going to respond to the rest of your email which reads as a
>> personal fight between you and other Indian Koha developers/companies.
>> Please leave this kind of email off the list in future.
>>
>> And if you plan to continue to send unsolicited emails to people then I
>> think the request to remove the listing should stand
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> On 9 August 2017 5:58:37 AM NZST, "Sudhir Gandotra @ Kalculate" <
>> sudhir at kalculate.com> wrote:
>>> Dear Jonathan Druart,
>>>
>>> I am rather surprised to note this mail.
>>>
>>> The only mail that I see from you to me was as below :
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Jonathan Druart <jonathan.druart at bugs.koha-community.org>
>>> May 17
>>> to koha
>>>
>>> Dear Sudhir Gandotra,
>>>
>>> You are receiving this email because you are listed as a paid support
>>> company on the Koha community website (https://koha-community.org/su
>>> pport/paid-support).
>>>
>>> We are updating the list of paid support companies for Koha on our
>>> community website. Please, after reading this email, either hit reply or
>>> complete the form mentioned below to confirm you are still an active
>>> support company.
>>>
>>> The next development cycle of Koha (17.11) is going to start before the
>>> month of May is out.
>>> Over the next 6 months we will be building the latest, even more awesome,
>>> release of Koha.  We strongly believe that having everybody involved is
>>> fundamental to achieving this.
>>>
>>> We want to build a task force and for that, we need to know who can commit
>>> time and effort that we can count on, in order to estimate the goals we can
>>> reach.
>>> Even if you have never been involved in the Koha community but are using
>>> Koha, you can help us by committing just a few hours each month:
>>> library workers or support companies can contribute massively by providing
>>> feedback, testing patches, contributing to the documentation or by getting
>>> involved in other specific tasks. Even if you do not know how to code you
>>> can help shape the next release and improve Koha.
>>> If you want to help, or if you have specific requests for this release,
>>> please let us know by completing this form:
>>>
>>>   https://framaforms.org/ready-to-help-the-koha-community-1493918217 <
>>> Just a couple of hours per month dedicated to the project is a huge help!
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Jonathan Druart on behalf of the Koha community
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>>
>>> I have not replied to it, as I am usually been travelling extensively for
>>> the last 12 months, but, within our team, we are discussing as to how we
>>> can take this forward and start contributing to the Koha community in
>>> future, starting in next few months.
>>>
>>> *On the other hand, I would like to share the following with you :*
>>>
>>>
>>> As duly acknowledged by the Koha community here, we are the entity (then
>>> known as Indserve Infotech Pvt. Ltd.) that introduced Koha in India with
>>> the first commercially done Koha implementation at Delhi Pubic Library, in
>>> 2007-08, for which I can show you the formal purchase order also.
>>> Its another story that our trainee-engineer, who was trained by us on this
>>> project, left us, cheated us, took away the clients we were negotiating and
>>> harmed our work seriously, went to another company and is active on Koha
>>> even now.
>>> We were forced to lie low for a while (due to illegal actions of a large
>>> MNC against us) and restarted our activities in a big way again in 2010,
>>> and after creating over 165 clients across 15 countries, have now taken
>>> Koha to new level, whereby we are offering the complete services free of
>>> cost and this is taking us places.
>>>
>>> The amount of publicity, growth and expansion that we have done with Koha
>>> is tremendous when you see the number of clients, the spread of these
>>> clients, and their support to us because of un-breaking services.
>>>
>>> I am aware that people like Vinod Mishra and some others are quiet jealous
>>> of us and now with these free services, they are, possibly, afraid of
>>> losing their business. And, because of this, they find all kinds of excuses
>>> of speaking against us with clients and here also on the list.
>>>
>>> I see no reason for deleting our name, because, caused by such negative
>>> people, it will only give bad name to the whole of community, a cause to
>>> which we have given our full support form the very beginning. And,
>>> moreover, we have done nothing against Koha. Rather, with the number of
>>> libraries to our credit, we are among the biggest providers of Koha
>>> services.
>>>
>>> To promote our services, we do send mails to libraries and in that process,
>>> the mail went to mycpl.org also. Owen Leonard felt bad about it, wrote to
>>> me, and I replied to him with my apologies, as our intentions have solely
>>> been to promote Koha. However, there is no law or convention that says that
>>> a Koha service provider cannot send promotional mails to libraries. Please
>>> help me understand this point better, if I am missing something.
>>>
>>> I will not speak against any of them, as, that is neither my style, nor am
>>> I person driven by fears.
>>>
>>> Being a Humanist, I am aware that I need to contribute to the good of this
>>> world, that has given me my life and everything else that I have and I am
>>> very happy contributing to Linux and Koha in my own way.
>>> *I have not done much, with my more than 400 Libraries to my credit, I
>>> wonder if this is negligible.*
>>>
>>>
>>> And, for that "crime" (if that's how these people will prefer to term it),
>>> as its being labelled by some ignorant ones, if you think Koha community
>>> will be happier without me on the list, let's set the new standards.
>>>
>>> I am quiet aware that Koha is a community thing and fortunately not a
>>> personal property of anyone, and due to that fact alone, it is important,
>>> that, as a Community, we set the highest standards, which are not driven by
>>> the fears of a few ignorant ones, but by the bold-selfless actions of those
>>> who do for the society.
>>>
>>> I look forward to hearing from you on this.
>>>
>>> I assure you that, very soon, you will find me increasingly active on the
>>> list.
>>>
>>> By the way, my request of adding my new company "Best Book Buddies" to the
>>> list of service providers is pending for around a year.
>>>
>>> Sudhir Gandotra
>>> www.bestbookbuddies.com
>>> +91-9810120918
>>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 6:37 PM, Jonathan Druart <
>>> jonathan.druart at bugs.koha-community.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>   I have sent them several emails and they never answered. They are already
>>>>   on my list of companies to remove from the list.
>>>>
>>>>   Cheers,
>>>>   Jonathan
>>>>
>>>>   On Fri, 4 Aug 2017 at 08:56 Owen Leonard <oleonard at myacpl.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>   Has anyone else received spam from "BestBookBuddies   - an Initiative
>>>>>   of: OpenLX Technologies Pvt. Ltd." ? They recently spammed me and
>>>>>   everyone else on my library's contact page.
>>>>>
>>>>>   If it were up to me they would be removed from the list of paid
>>>>>   support providers, but I don't think the rules explicitly forbid
>>>>>   sending spam.
>>>>>
>>>>>    -- Owen
>>>>>
>>>>>   --
>>>>>   Web Developer
>>>>>   Athens County Public Libraries
>>>>>   http://www.myacpl.org
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