[Koha] LibLime responses to some of yesterdays postings

ed c terrapin44 at yahoo.com
Fri Sep 17 09:35:11 NZST 2010

Having gone through the process of creating a 501(c)3 in the United States, and one that has recieved IRS-blessing (which as far as I can tell, the Koha Software Foundation in Ohio has not yet received - not surprisingly, it takes a while and what was submitted to the State of Ohio wasn't anywhere near as detailed as the IRS would need to approve it. I have no idea if they submitted the paper work to the IRS not.)*, I can tell you that it is not a simple process and too many cooks will most likely spoil the soup. I doubt it is any different, and in fact may likely be more so in other countries. I think starting the discussions around concrete proposals will be a much better approach. That doesn't mean that pieces of each can't be crossed off, added,  combined, or changed by the community, but a discussion with a large group of people via e-mail or IRC chat starting from scratch is very unlikely to be productive. 


* To search for organizations granted 501(c)3 status by the US federal government, see http://www.irs.gov/app/pub-78/ Whiel there are some thigns that come up with Koha, the oen from Athens does not. The ones that do come up appear to be family foundations.

--- On Thu, 9/16/10, Chris Nighswonger <cnighswonger at foundations.edu> wrote:

From: Chris Nighswonger <cnighswonger at foundations.edu>
Subject: Re: [Koha] LibLime responses to some of yesterdays postings
To: "vtl at scls.lib.wi.us" <vtl at scls.lib.wi.us>
Cc: koha at lists.katipo.co.nz
Date: Thursday, September 16, 2010, 4:10 PM

On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 3:23 PM, vtl at scls.lib.wi.us <vtl at scls.lib.wi.us> wrote:
> I'm wondering if it would be possible to work out a joint proposal via one
> or two IRC chats prior to Kohacon.  I don't quite understand why individual
> parties need to prepare proposals.  I would prefer to see a joint effort
> that satisfieds all parties involved.
> However, I'm admittedly very naive as to how a foundation should be set up.
> So, if protocol requires individual proposals, could a chat or two be held
> where people share their ideas of what should be included in the proposals?

Chatting tends to be very non-productive on issues where many people
have many different ideas about what the right decision is. A read
through the irc logs from meetings discussing re-licensing will serve
to prove this point. Things digress very quickly in this context.

> At the very least, I would like to know what will happen with these
> proposals.  Will we be "voting" on them as presented?  Will there be some
> type of integration done to get the best from all of them?

As Chris Cormack pointed out: these are proposals, not line items for
a vote. They are far more detailed. I seem to remember several
proposals floated around during the founding of KUDOS. Perhaps that
may serve as a point of reference for you in this aspect of the

Presenting a pre-compiled, detailed proposal will cut loads of time
off of the opening rounds of discussions.

As for integration... this is another point in favor of written
proposals... we have the option of cherry-picking should we so desire.

> Some of us may need a little more help than others to come up to speed on
> this process.  I have tried to do some self-education on open source
> foundations, but there is a lot of information out there and apparently
> different types of foundations.  I have participated in some IRC meetings,
> but apparently not the ones where foundations were discussed, or it went
> over my head.  Would someone be willing to compile the previous discussions
> into one document that is readily accessible?

There are plenty of resources on the internet regarding this. You can
search both the list archives and the irc log for discussions that
have occurred in the past.

I'm also sure that Thomas Duklath will weigh in at some point with a
very through explanation of this sort of thing.

Kind Regards,
Koha mailing list
Koha at lists.katipo.co.nz

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