[Koha] Spam from BestBookBuddies (OpenLX)

Chris Cormack chris at bigballofwax.co.nz
Wed Aug 9 12:28:59 NZST 2017

Hi Bob

I too would happily see the paid support listings disappear from the
koha-community.org website.


On 9 August 2017 at 12:21, Bob Birchall <bob at calyx.net.au> wrote:
> There we go again - 'official list' as if it has some status other than as a
> yellow pages directory. I suspect the noise from the sub-continent
> particularly will increase, whilst very little comes back to the project. I
> think we should just get rid of that page from the website.
> My 2 cents,
> Bob Birchall
> Calyx
> On 09/08/17 04:26, Sudhir Gandotra @ Kalculate wrote:
>> Well Chris Cormack,  It will be very interesting to note that a Koha
>> Service Provider with over 400 Libraries to his credit, will be removed
>> from the official list, because he sent a mail to a Library informing
>> about
>> his Koha Services.
>> It will be an interesting standard to be fixed for this community and to
>> be
>> watched closely by many in the future.
>> It is interesting to note that while you do not rightly want to be part of
>> the trouble between some service providers, you seem to be influenced by
>> some of them. I hope I will be proven wrong on this point, which seems to
>> be clear conclusion from what you wrote.
>> *By the way, how do we decide that my mail to a library, a direct mail
>> sent
>> to them, can be termed as a spam ?*
>> *Since when, did people start talking of their services only when someone
>> asks for them ?*
>> I trust the common sense will prevail and all of us will remain promoting
>> Koha and not the fears of some people around here.
>> By the way, my request for being listed as a Koha service provider
>> (BestBook Buddies.com) is still not approved and I have resent the request
>> today.
>> Sudhir Gandotra
>> On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 11:42 PM, Chris Cormack <chrisc at catalyst.net.nz>
>> wrote:
>>> Just a quick note, unsolicited emails, or spam as it is commonly known is
>>> indeed a crime in some jurisdictions. And in almost every one it is
>>> against
>>> convention.
>>> I'm not going to respond to the rest of your email which reads as a
>>> personal fight between you and other Indian Koha developers/companies.
>>> Please leave this kind of email off the list in future.
>>> And if you plan to continue to send unsolicited emails to people then I
>>> think the request to remove the listing should stand
>>> Chris
>>> On 9 August 2017 5:58:37 AM NZST, "Sudhir Gandotra @ Kalculate" <
>>> sudhir at kalculate.com> wrote:
>>>> Dear Jonathan Druart,
>>>> I am rather surprised to note this mail.
>>>> The only mail that I see from you to me was as below :
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> Jonathan Druart <jonathan.druart at bugs.koha-community.org>
>>>> May 17
>>>> to koha
>>>> Dear Sudhir Gandotra,
>>>> You are receiving this email because you are listed as a paid support
>>>> company on the Koha community website (https://koha-community.org/su
>>>> pport/paid-support).
>>>> We are updating the list of paid support companies for Koha on our
>>>> community website. Please, after reading this email, either hit reply or
>>>> complete the form mentioned below to confirm you are still an active
>>>> support company.
>>>> The next development cycle of Koha (17.11) is going to start before the
>>>> month of May is out.
>>>> Over the next 6 months we will be building the latest, even more
>>>> awesome,
>>>> release of Koha.  We strongly believe that having everybody involved is
>>>> fundamental to achieving this.
>>>> We want to build a task force and for that, we need to know who can
>>>> commit
>>>> time and effort that we can count on, in order to estimate the goals we
>>>> can
>>>> reach.
>>>> Even if you have never been involved in the Koha community but are using
>>>> Koha, you can help us by committing just a few hours each month:
>>>> library workers or support companies can contribute massively by
>>>> providing
>>>> feedback, testing patches, contributing to the documentation or by
>>>> getting
>>>> involved in other specific tasks. Even if you do not know how to code
>>>> you
>>>> can help shape the next release and improve Koha.
>>>> If you want to help, or if you have specific requests for this release,
>>>> please let us know by completing this form:
>>>>   https://framaforms.org/ready-to-help-the-koha-community-1493918217 <
>>>> Just a couple of hours per month dedicated to the project is a huge
>>>> help!
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> Jonathan Druart on behalf of the Koha community
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> I have not replied to it, as I am usually been travelling extensively
>>>> for
>>>> the last 12 months, but, within our team, we are discussing as to how we
>>>> can take this forward and start contributing to the Koha community in
>>>> future, starting in next few months.
>>>> *On the other hand, I would like to share the following with you :*
>>>> As duly acknowledged by the Koha community here, we are the entity (then
>>>> known as Indserve Infotech Pvt. Ltd.) that introduced Koha in India with
>>>> the first commercially done Koha implementation at Delhi Pubic Library,
>>>> in
>>>> 2007-08, for which I can show you the formal purchase order also.
>>>> Its another story that our trainee-engineer, who was trained by us on
>>>> this
>>>> project, left us, cheated us, took away the clients we were negotiating
>>>> and
>>>> harmed our work seriously, went to another company and is active on Koha
>>>> even now.
>>>> We were forced to lie low for a while (due to illegal actions of a large
>>>> MNC against us) and restarted our activities in a big way again in 2010,
>>>> and after creating over 165 clients across 15 countries, have now taken
>>>> Koha to new level, whereby we are offering the complete services free of
>>>> cost and this is taking us places.
>>>> The amount of publicity, growth and expansion that we have done with
>>>> Koha
>>>> is tremendous when you see the number of clients, the spread of these
>>>> clients, and their support to us because of un-breaking services.
>>>> I am aware that people like Vinod Mishra and some others are quiet
>>>> jealous
>>>> of us and now with these free services, they are, possibly, afraid of
>>>> losing their business. And, because of this, they find all kinds of
>>>> excuses
>>>> of speaking against us with clients and here also on the list.
>>>> I see no reason for deleting our name, because, caused by such negative
>>>> people, it will only give bad name to the whole of community, a cause to
>>>> which we have given our full support form the very beginning. And,
>>>> moreover, we have done nothing against Koha. Rather, with the number of
>>>> libraries to our credit, we are among the biggest providers of Koha
>>>> services.
>>>> To promote our services, we do send mails to libraries and in that
>>>> process,
>>>> the mail went to mycpl.org also. Owen Leonard felt bad about it, wrote
>>>> to
>>>> me, and I replied to him with my apologies, as our intentions have
>>>> solely
>>>> been to promote Koha. However, there is no law or convention that says
>>>> that
>>>> a Koha service provider cannot send promotional mails to libraries.
>>>> Please
>>>> help me understand this point better, if I am missing something.
>>>> I will not speak against any of them, as, that is neither my style, nor
>>>> am
>>>> I person driven by fears.
>>>> Being a Humanist, I am aware that I need to contribute to the good of
>>>> this
>>>> world, that has given me my life and everything else that I have and I
>>>> am
>>>> very happy contributing to Linux and Koha in my own way.
>>>> *I have not done much, with my more than 400 Libraries to my credit, I
>>>> wonder if this is negligible.*
>>>> And, for that "crime" (if that's how these people will prefer to term
>>>> it),
>>>> as its being labelled by some ignorant ones, if you think Koha community
>>>> will be happier without me on the list, let's set the new standards.
>>>> I am quiet aware that Koha is a community thing and fortunately not a
>>>> personal property of anyone, and due to that fact alone, it is
>>>> important,
>>>> that, as a Community, we set the highest standards, which are not driven
>>>> by
>>>> the fears of a few ignorant ones, but by the bold-selfless actions of
>>>> those
>>>> who do for the society.
>>>> I look forward to hearing from you on this.
>>>> I assure you that, very soon, you will find me increasingly active on
>>>> the
>>>> list.
>>>> By the way, my request of adding my new company "Best Book Buddies" to
>>>> the
>>>> list of service providers is pending for around a year.
>>>> Sudhir Gandotra
>>>> www.bestbookbuddies.com
>>>> +91-9810120918
>>>> On Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 6:37 PM, Jonathan Druart <
>>>> jonathan.druart at bugs.koha-community.org> wrote:
>>>>   I have sent them several emails and they never answered. They are
>>>> already
>>>>>   on my list of companies to remove from the list.
>>>>>   Cheers,
>>>>>   Jonathan
>>>>>   On Fri, 4 Aug 2017 at 08:56 Owen Leonard <oleonard at myacpl.org> wrote:
>>>>>   Has anyone else received spam from "BestBookBuddies   - an Initiative
>>>>>>   of: OpenLX Technologies Pvt. Ltd." ? They recently spammed me and
>>>>>>   everyone else on my library's contact page.
>>>>>>   If it were up to me they would be removed from the list of paid
>>>>>>   support providers, but I don't think the rules explicitly forbid
>>>>>>   sending spam.
>>>>>>    -- Owen
>>>>>>   --
>>>>>>   Web Developer
>>>>>>   Athens County Public Libraries
>>>>>>   http://www.myacpl.org
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