[Koha] Koha Digest, Vol 48, Issue 81

Sat Oct 24 12:55:29 NZDT 2009

Re: Koha.org Future

I heartily endorse Joann's suggestion that Horowhenua Library Trust be  
empowered to enter into private discussions with Josh Ferraro  
regarding the Koha trademark and domain. A private and respectful  
discussion is very much in order.

Jim Minges

On Oct 23, 2009, at 6:00 PM, koha-request at lists.katipo.co.nz wrote:

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>   1. Re: koha.org future (Joann Ransom)
>   2. Re: koha.org future (Lori Ayre)
>   3. Re: koha.org future (was: Liblime, Koha, BibLibre and FLOSS)
>      (Ben Ide)
>   4. Re: koha.org future (was: Liblime, Koha, BibLibre and FLOSS)
>      (Chris Cormack)
>   5. Re: koha.org future (was: Liblime, Koha, BibLibre and FLOSS)  
> (gsl)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 09:47:52 +1300
> From: Joann Ransom <jransom at library.org.nz>
> Subject: Re: [Koha] koha.org future
> To: Paul Poulain <paul.poulain at biblibre.com>, koha
>    <koha at lists.katipo.co.nz>
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> Hi everyone,
>
> When I finished work yesterday it looked highly likely that Horowhenua
> Library Trust would be the prefeered option for hlding the community
> 'assets' in safe hands until a long term solution is arrived at.
>
> May I ask that the Trust is given a little time to contact Liblime  
> directly,
> offlist, and invite Joshua to handover his assets. He has always  
> said he
> will do this and I am optimistic that he will honour his word. He  
> has been a
> long serving, highly respected and valued member of the Koha  
> Community,
> aside from this little blip, and I think we owe him and Horowhenua  
> Library
> Trust a little space to quietly sort this out.
>
> Does that sound acceptle? May I ask for 1 months 'space' to work  
> with Joshua
> directly?
>
> Kind regards
>
> Joann Ransom.
>
> On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 4:01 AM, Paul Poulain <paul.poulain at biblibre.com 
> >wrote:
>
>> tajoli a ?crit :
>>> Hi to all,
>>>
>>>> The next question is: how could we retrieve some control over
>>>> koha.org?
>>>> the short answer here is = we can't.
>>>> The next question is: what do we do now?
>>>>
>>>
>>> we need to register a new site, put all info / manual/FAQ/ect. here,
>>> tell to everyone that there is a new koha site and de-link koha.org.
>>>
>>> Who do control wiki.koha.org ?
>>>
>> Everything is under LL hands. Except mailing lists, that we host  
>> (but we
>> don't manage the DNS, it's LL ).
>>
>> --
>> Paul POULAIN
>> http://www.biblibre.com
>> Expert en Logiciels Libres pour l'info-doc
>> Tel : (33) 4 91 81 35 08
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Koha mailing list
>> Koha at lists.katipo.co.nz
>> http://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha
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>
>
>
> -- 
> Joann Ransom RLIANZA
> Acting Head of Libraries,
> Horowhenua Library Trust.
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> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 13:51:50 -0700
> From: Lori Ayre <loriayre at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Koha] koha.org future
> To: Joann Ransom <jransom at library.org.nz>
> Cc: koha <koha at lists.katipo.co.nz>
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> Excellent idea, Joann.  I think some direct communication between  
> Josh and
> HLT (or whomever is voted in) is just what is needed.
>
> Lori Ayre
>
> 2009/10/23 Joann Ransom <jransom at library.org.nz>
>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> When I finished work yesterday it looked highly likely that  
>> Horowhenua
>> Library Trust would be the prefeered option for hlding the community
>> 'assets' in safe hands until a long term solution is arrived at.
>>
>> May I ask that the Trust is given a little time to contact Liblime
>> directly, offlist, and invite Joshua to handover his assets. He has  
>> always
>> said he will do this and I am optimistic that he will honour his  
>> word. He
>> has been a long serving, highly respected and valued member of the  
>> Koha
>> Community, aside from this little blip, and I think we owe him and
>> Horowhenua Library Trust a little space to quietly sort this out.
>>
>> Does that sound acceptle? May I ask for 1 months 'space' to work with
>> Joshua directly?
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>> Joann Ransom.
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 4:01 AM, Paul Poulain <paul.poulain at biblibre.com 
>> >wrote:
>>
>>> tajoli a ?crit :
>>>> Hi to all,
>>>>
>>>>> The next question is: how could we retrieve some control over
>>>>> koha.org?
>>>>> the short answer here is = we can't.
>>>>> The next question is: what do we do now?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> we need to register a new site, put all info / manual/FAQ/ect.  
>>>> here,
>>>> tell to everyone that there is a new koha site and de-link  
>>>> koha.org.
>>>>
>>>> Who do control wiki.koha.org ?
>>>>
>>> Everything is under LL hands. Except mailing lists, that we host  
>>> (but we
>>> don't manage the DNS, it's LL ).
>>>
>>> --
>>> Paul POULAIN
>>> http://www.biblibre.com
>>> Expert en Logiciels Libres pour l'info-doc
>>> Tel : (33) 4 91 81 35 08
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Koha mailing list
>>> Koha at lists.katipo.co.nz
>>> http://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Joann Ransom RLIANZA
>> Acting Head of Libraries,
>> Horowhenua Library Trust.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Koha mailing list
>> Koha at lists.katipo.co.nz
>> http://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha
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>>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 17:02:47 -0400
> From: Ben Ide <benide at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Koha] koha.org future (was: Liblime, Koha, BibLibre and
>    FLOSS)
> To: Koha-Mailingliste <koha at lists.katipo.co.nz>
> Message-ID:
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> Both utukoha.org and kokohu.org are available.
>
> On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 10:19 AM, Erik Lewis <elewis at ngrl.org> wrote:
>> Is it inconceivable that the community will not have the Koha name
>> back to use?
>>
>>
>> On Oct 23, 2009, at 10:09 AM, Kyle Hall wrote:
>>
>>>> The next question is: what do we do now?
>>> Change the name of the project, register new URLs and trademarks.  
>>> Take
>>> control of our own community.
>>>
>>> Kyle
>>>
>>> http://www.kylehall.info
>>> Information Technology
>>> Crawford County Federated Library System ( http://www.ccfls.org )
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 9:03 AM, Paul Poulain <paul.poulain at biblibre.com
>>>> wrote:
>>>> Kyle Hall a ?crit :
>>>>>> The very thing we should avoid is grandfathering, meaning
>>>>>> exempting,
>>>>>> anyone from the rules. Any rules worth having are rules which
>>>>>> should be
>>>>>> applied equally to all.
>>>>>>
>>>>> As long as Liblime is the only entity with complete control over
>>>>> koha.org, that's not going to happen.
>>>>>
>>>> You get a point here. We can't even access download.koha.org, we
>>>> can't
>>>> modify anything on koha.org, except if a company that has left the
>>>> community decide to accept or do the changes we want.
>>>> The next question is: how could we retrieve some control over
>>>> koha.org?
>>>> the short answer here is = we can't.
>>>> The next question is: what do we do now?
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Paul POULAIN
>>>> http://www.biblibre.com
>>>> Expert en Logiciels Libres pour l'info-doc
>>>> Tel : (33) 4 91 81 35 08
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Koha mailing list
>>>> Koha at lists.katipo.co.nz
>>>> http://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Koha mailing list
>>> Koha at lists.katipo.co.nz
>>> http://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha
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>> _______________________________________________
>> Koha mailing list
>> Koha at lists.katipo.co.nz
>> http://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 10:27:34 +1300
> From: Chris Cormack <chris at bigballofwax.co.nz>
> Subject: Re: [Koha] koha.org future (was: Liblime, Koha, BibLibre and
>    FLOSS)
> To: Ben Ide <benide at gmail.com>
> Cc: Koha-Mailingliste <koha at lists.katipo.co.nz>
> Message-ID:
>    <606aab810910231427p24ca5e8eybe0af9d2d20e61b at mail.gmail.com>
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> 2009/10/24 Ben Ide <benide at gmail.com>:
>> Both utukoha.org and kokohu.org are available.
>>
> He aha ai tatou e whiriwhira ana tetahi o ena ingoa? Mehemea kei te
> korero whakakata koe?
>
> Naku noa,
> Na Chris
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 17:03:33 -0500 (CDT)
> From: gsl <gsl at rhcl.org>
> Subject: Re: [Koha] koha.org future (was: Liblime, Koha, BibLibre and
>    FLOSS)
> To: koha at lists.katipo.co.nz
> Message-ID: <4418692.1551256335410881.JavaMail.glawson at venus>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> With the <slight> loosening of control of the domain name  
> allocations, if we wait a while koha.ils will be available.
>
> Greg
> ----------------
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ben Ide" <benide at gmail.com>
> To: "Koha-Mailingliste" <koha at lists.katipo.co.nz>
> Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 4:02:47 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
> Subject: Re: [Koha] koha.org future (was: Liblime, Koha, BibLibre  
> and FLOSS)
>
> Both utukoha.org and kokohu.org are available.
>
> On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 10:19 AM, Erik Lewis <elewis at ngrl.org> wrote:
>> Is it inconceivable that the community will not have the Koha name
>> back to use?
>>
>>
>> On Oct 23, 2009, at 10:09 AM, Kyle Hall wrote:
>>
>>>> The next question is: what do we do now?
>>> Change the name of the project, register new URLs and trademarks.  
>>> Take
>>> control of our own community.
>>>
>>> Kyle
>>>
>>> http://www.kylehall.info
>>> Information Technology
>>> Crawford County Federated Library System ( http://www.ccfls.org )
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 9:03 AM, Paul Poulain <paul.poulain at biblibre.com
>>>> wrote:
>>>> Kyle Hall a ?crit :
>>>>>> The very thing we should avoid is grandfathering, meaning
>>>>>> exempting,
>>>>>> anyone from the rules. Any rules worth having are rules which
>>>>>> should be
>>>>>> applied equally to all.
>>>>>>
>>>>> As long as Liblime is the only entity with complete control over
>>>>> koha.org, that's not going to happen.
>>>>>
>>>> You get a point here. We can't even access download.koha.org, we
>>>> can't
>>>> modify anything on koha.org, except if a company that has left the
>>>> community decide to accept or do the changes we want.
>>>> The next question is: how could we retrieve some control over
>>>> koha.org?
>>>> the short answer here is = we can't.
>>>> The next question is: what do we do now?
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Paul POULAIN
>>>> http://www.biblibre.com
>>>> Expert en Logiciels Libres pour l'info-doc
>>>> Tel : (33) 4 91 81 35 08
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Koha mailing list
>>>> Koha at lists.katipo.co.nz
>>>> http://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Koha mailing list
>>> Koha at lists.katipo.co.nz
>>> http://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Koha mailing list
>> Koha at lists.katipo.co.nz
>> http://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha
>>
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