[Koha] RE: Koha Digest, Vol 19, Issue 42
Khaliq Yar Haidary
khaidary at auaf.net
Thu May 31 20:39:00 NZST 2007
Can anybody tell me how to remove / unstall Koha from Fedora Core 6.
With thank
Khaliq Yar
khaidary at auaf.net
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Overdues notices and fines: what scripts are supposed to
work? (Kyle Hall)
2. Re: Overdues notices and fines: what scripts are supposed to
work? (Kevin O'Rourke)
3. Re: Overdues notices and fines: what scripts are supposed to
work? (Kevin O'Rourke)
4. Re: Overdues notices and fines: what scripts are supposed to
work? (Joshua M. Ferraro)
5. Re: Overdues notices and fines: what scripts are supposed to
work? (Kevin O'Rourke)
6. Re: data entry and barcode generation (Steven F.Baljkas)
7. Re: "Purchase Suggestion" Form Available but does not work
(Joshua M. Ferraro)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 09:21:55 -0400
From: "Kyle Hall" <kyle.m.hall at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Koha] Overdues notices and fines: what scripts are
supposed to work?
To: "Kevin O'Rourke" <lists at caboose.org.uk>
Cc: Koha Mailing List <koha at lists.katipo.co.nz>
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If you are interested, I've written alternative fines and overdues
generators that are part of koha-tools (
http://kylehall.info/index.php/projects/koha-tools/ ).
The fines generator creates fines for an item upon the return of an
item, rather then generating fines each night. That means that each
item will only have one fine listed that totals the amount due, rather
than a fine for each day overdue. This more closely emulates our
previous ILS and our librarians preferred it.
The overdues generator allows you to specify the period of
'overdueness' and allows one to create a shelf list to check for items
that might have been accidentally shelved without first being
returned, and also a pdf of nicely formatted notices to mail out.
Both of them are written in PHP rather than Perl, and that's why I've
kept them in a separate project rather than as part of the Koha
repository.
Kyle
On 5/30/07, Kevin O'Rourke <lists at caboose.org.uk> wrote:
> I've just started looking into emailing overdue notices to our members.
> I tried out the overduenotices.pl script but it doesn't seem to be
> working. I don't get any output when I run it with the -n parameter (no
> email, output to stdout) but I also don't get any errors. Does anyone
> have this working correctly in 2.2.9 (Debian Sarge)?
>
> The documentation at kohadocs.org seems to suggest that since version
> 2.2 none of the scripts for calculating fines work. Is this true?
>
> --
> Kevin O'Rourke
> ICT Coordinator, National Teachers' Institute, Kaduna, Nigeria
> 062 316972
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 14:46:59 +0100
From: Kevin O'Rourke <lists at caboose.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [Koha] Overdues notices and fines: what scripts are
supposed to work?
To: Koha Mailing List <koha at lists.katipo.co.nz>
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Kyle Hall wrote:
> If you are interested, I've written alternative fines and overdues
> generators that are part of koha-tools (
> http://kylehall.info/index.php/projects/koha-tools/ ).
>
> The fines generator creates fines for an item upon the return of an
> item, rather then generating fines each night. That means that each
> item will only have one fine listed that totals the amount due, rather
> than a fine for each day overdue. This more closely emulates our
> previous ILS and our librarians preferred it.
That sounds very interesting. Having to run cron jobs for things like
fines is one of the parts of Koha that seems unnecessarily complicated
to me.
> Both of them are written in PHP rather than Perl, and that's why I've
> kept them in a separate project rather than as part of the Koha
> repository.
I'm a little bit concerned about adding separate things like this to our
Koha setup, especially when the download is only possible from a
Subversion repository.
I can deal with all these things, but I'm only here until September so
I'm trying to keep the system as easy to deal with as possible.
Thanks
--
Kevin O'Rourke
ICT Coordinator, National Teachers' Institute, Kaduna, Nigeria
062 316972
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 15:20:39 +0100
From: Kevin O'Rourke <lists at caboose.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [Koha] Overdues notices and fines: what scripts are
supposed to work?
To: "Joshua M. Ferraro" <jmf at liblime.com>
Cc: Koha Mailing List <koha at lists.katipo.co.nz>
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Joshua M. Ferraro wrote:
>>> The documentation at kohadocs.org seems to suggest that since
>>>
>> version
>>
>>> 2.2 none of the scripts for calculating fines work. Is this true?
>>>
>> I'm still curious which fines script I should use.
>>
> The fines module in Koha is a fine example of a feature that hasn't
> been fully exposed to the system administration section of the admin
> interface. For now, the assumption is that if you need to enable
> fines and you're managing Koha yourself (as opposed to getting
> commercial support from one of the available providers), you'll be
> spending some time customizing the fines script and module to suit
> your needs. That said, have a look at the fines2.pl in misc/ that
> relies on C4/Circulation/Fines.pm, it's a good example of how to
> start out with fines management in Koha.
>
Thanks for the information. So it looks like the documentation is wrong
and fines2.pl does work, but needs customisation. I've had a look at it
and it's not pretty, there are far too many magic numbers in there. For
example, there's a maximum fine variable buried in the code, set to 5.
However, here in Nigeria that's far too low (there are about 130 Naira
to the US Dollar). If I had the time I'd rewrite it to read things out
of system preferences.
Would I be right in saying that for each "fine cycle" (7 days or
whatever) this will add an additional line item to the borrower's record?
Getting support from one of the available providers would be great, but
Nigerian educational organisations just don't have the money.
--
Kevin O'Rourke
ICT Coordinator, National Teachers' Institute, Kaduna, Nigeria
062 316972
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Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 09:59:05 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Joshua M. Ferraro" <jmf at liblime.com>
Subject: Re: [Koha] Overdues notices and fines: what scripts are
supposed to work?
To: Kevin O'Rourke <lists at caboose.org.uk>
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----- "Kevin O'Rourke" <lists at caboose.org.uk> wrote:
> > Joshua M. Ferraro wrote:
> > The fines module in Koha is a fine example of a feature that hasn't
> > been fully exposed to the system administration section of the admin
> > interface. For now, the assumption is that if you need to enable
> > fines and you're managing Koha yourself (as opposed to getting
> > commercial support from one of the available providers), you'll be
> > spending some time customizing the fines script and module to suit
> > your needs. That said, have a look at the fines2.pl in misc/ that
> > relies on C4/Circulation/Fines.pm, it's a good example of how to
> > start out with fines management in Koha.
> Thanks for the information. So it looks like the documentation is
> wrong and fines2.pl does work, but needs customisation. I've had a
> look at it and it's not pretty, there are far too many magic numbers
> in there. For example, there's a maximum fine variable buried in the
> code, set to 5. However, here in Nigeria that's far too low (there
> are about 130 Naira to the US Dollar). If I had the time I'd rewrite
> it to read things out of system preferences.
I'm not sure which documentation you're referring to, but yes, the
fines stuff in Koha could definitely use a re-write.
> Would I be right in saying that for each "fine cycle" (7 days or
> whatever) this will add an additional line item to the borrower's
> record?
>
> Getting support from one of the available providers would be great,
> but Nigerian educational organisations just don't have the money.
I understand completely. Lack of money is a challenge that us providers
face as well :-). Since you've been given the opportunity to work on
Koha, perhaps you'd be able to share your solutions with the community.
It's exciting to hear that the educational organizations in Nigeria have
decided to invest in the project, we're always looking for new
programmers to join the effort. Welcome :-).
Cheers,
--
Joshua Ferraro SUPPORT FOR OPEN-SOURCE SOFTWARE
President, Technology migration, training, maintenance, support
LibLime Featuring Koha Open-Source ILS
jmf at liblime.com |Full Demos at http://liblime.com/koha |1(888)KohaILS
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 16:26:49 +0100
From: Kevin O'Rourke <lists at caboose.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [Koha] Overdues notices and fines: what scripts are
supposed to work?
To: Koha Mailing List <koha at lists.katipo.co.nz>
Message-ID: <465D97B9.2060702 at caboose.org.uk>
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Joshua M. Ferraro wrote:
> I'm not sure which documentation you're referring to, but yes, the
> fines stuff in Koha could definitely use a re-write.
>
http://www.kohadocs.org/command_line_scripts.html - lots of comments
about things not working in version 2.2.
> I understand completely. Lack of money is a challenge that us providers
> face as well :-). Since you've been given the opportunity to work on
> Koha, perhaps you'd be able to share your solutions with the community.
> It's exciting to hear that the educational organizations in Nigeria have
> decided to invest in the project, we're always looking for new
> programmers to join the effort. Welcome :-).
>
We're just one of the teacher training organisations here, other
organisations are either implementing their own systems or none at all.
The typical college library in Nigeria has very few books and those are
usually kept in a locked cabinet to ensure no-one can spoil them :-)
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Kevin O'Rourke
ICT Coordinator, National Teachers' Institute, Kaduna, Nigeria
062 316972
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 10:29:49 -0500
From: Steven F.Baljkas <baljkas at mts.net>
Subject: Re: [Koha] data entry and barcode generation
To: naste dwoya <tichtektee at yahoo.com>, <koha at lists.katipo.co.nz>
Cc: baljkas at mts.net
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Wednesday, May 31, 2007 10:22 CDT
Dear Naste Dwoya,
With apologies for the delay in responding, I can offer the following quick
words of advice regarding cataloguing now ...
Koha developpers are still working away (tireless, dedicated bunch --
applause for all!) on making a better MARC editor for Koha.
In the meantime, however, if you have to do data entry from scratch (i.e.
starting from nothing), it may well be easier to use a simple MARC editor
such as Terry Reese's MARCEdit, which is available for free off of the
Library of Congress MARC Records, Systems and Tools page at
URL <http://www.loc.gov/marc/marctools.html>
In recommending this, I am assuming you have access to a Windows platform
machine, because while some people have reported that MARCEdit works fine
for them on a linux platform, it is not made to do so.
If you can make use of MARCEdit and want to go forward with my suggestion,
please write back to me off listserv with an example of the kind of data you
need to enter AND the kind of barcodes you wish to use (if possible) and I
shall try to set up an example template for you to follow in data entry as
soon as possible.
As for generating barcodes, I believe there are several answers to that
problem in the Koha archives. Perhaps that part of the problem can wait
until you have actual records to work with?
I hope that this information helps in the meantime.
In any case, best wishes as you continue your work with Koha and welcome to
the Koha community!
Cheers,
Steven F. Baljkas
library tech at large
volunteer cataloguer
Koha neophyte
Winnipeg, MB, Canada
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From: naste dwoya <tichtektee at yahoo.com>
Date: 2007/05/28 Mon AM 05:46:33 CDT
To: koha at lists.katipo.co.nz
Subject: [Koha] data entry and barcode generation
Hi, i have successfully completed the installation of
Koha, unfortunately i am unable to carry out the
cataloging, can you please give me a step by step
direction on what to do. i would also like to generate
barcodes, unfortunately every time i try i receive an error.
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 10:58:18 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Joshua M. Ferraro" <jmf at liblime.com>
Subject: Re: [Koha] "Purchase Suggestion" Form Available but does not
work
To: bo at weavebrain.com.au
Cc: koha at lists.katipo.co.nz
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Hi Bo,
----- "Bo Schafers" <bo at weavebrain.com.au> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> The 'purchase suggestion' form can be accessed and filled in by all,
> even visitors who are not logged in...
>
> However when submitting the form as an anonymous visitor the form
> fails transparently, no error message, no confirmation. The patron might
> believe he's actually sent a request to a librarian when in reality
> her well-researched and thoughtful book suggestion has has fallen into a
> boundless, digital vaccum -never to be seen again or heard of again.
> (Version 2.2.9)
>
> Something for the devs...
OK, there's a syspref called AnonSuggestions, you set that to the
borrower number of the 'anonymous patron' and that should fix it for
you.
However, you have uncovered a bug: if that syspref isn't turned on,
the suggestions link should force the patron to log in before they
can add a suggestion. Could you add a bug report to bugzilla for that?
Cheers,
--
Joshua Ferraro SUPPORT FOR OPEN-SOURCE SOFTWARE
President, Technology migration, training, maintenance, support
LibLime Featuring Koha Open-Source ILS
jmf at liblime.com |Full Demos at http://liblime.com/koha |1(888)KohaILS
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