Export MARC from Koha
Hi, I would like to check 2 points about exporting data in MARC with Koha : 1- Is the export format in MARC or in UNIMARC ? 2 - Which datas are exported ? In my test i have only got exported datas like title, dewey, main author, ISBN, notes, document type. I don't have datas like additional authors, subjects, subtitle, publication date, editor... Thank you for your help. PhR.
On 2004-04-21 12:37:09 +0100 Philippe Revault <ph.revault@free.fr> wrote:
1- Is the export format in MARC or in UNIMARC ?
More likely to be MARC21, as far as I understand the code, but I could be wrong.
2 - Which datas are exported ?
It should be possible to export all. If you are sure things are missing, let us know, I'll test and make sure it gets recorded. -- MJR/slef My Opinion Only and possibly not of any group I know. Please http://remember.to/edit_messages on lists to be sure I read http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ gopher://g.towers.org.uk/ slef@jabber.at Creative copyleft computing services via http://www.ttllp.co.uk/
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2 - Which datas are exported ?
It should be possible to export all. If you are sure things are missing, let us know, I'll test and make sure it gets recorded.
If you're exporting data I assume that the MARC export only does the catalogue records - so it doesn't do - Borrowers/patron records - Finacial records? - Reserves Do you think it would be a good idea to have a method for exporting this data as well? Cheers Rachel _____________________________________________________________ Rachel Hamilton-Williams Katipo Communications WEBMISTRESS ph 021 389 128 or +64 04 934 1285 mailto:rachel@katipo.co.nz PO Box 12487, Wellington http://www.katipo.co.nz New Zealand Koha Open Source Library System http://www.koha.org
On 2004-04-22 03:20:19 +0100 Rachel Hamilton-Williams <rachel@katipo.co.nz> wrote:
If you're exporting data I assume that the MARC export only does the catalogue records - so it doesn't do - Borrowers/patron records - Finacial records? - Reserves Do you think it would be a good idea to have a method for exporting this data as well?
Are there useful desired standard formats to export these into? Going beyond the MARC export is probably for 2.2? -- MJR/slef My Opinion Only and possibly not of any group I know. Please http://remember.to/edit_messages on lists to be sure I read http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ gopher://g.towers.org.uk/ slef@jabber.at Creative copyleft computing services via http://www.ttllp.co.uk/
Thursday, April 22, 2004 15:14 CDT Hi, MJ, Rachel, et al. Just so no one feels confused, there really aren't any MARC21 standards for patron information as such. Different ILS will try to export borrowers' records (at least current items on loan), but how another system, say Koha, can capture these is something I've never seen an explanation for and have quite frankly wondered about for years. I don't know what is meant exactly by 'financial records' but I am assuming that that is a euphemism for fines. Same as paragraph above. If one wanted to get into this with MARC21, one could look at using an 852 tag and/or some combination of 9xx tags to trap that information, and/or to create some kind of faux-MARC patron record (perhaps basing it not on the MARC21 Bibliographic Descriptive standards we are always referring to, albeit elliptically, but rather the Community standards that would allow us to define and describe people, not as resources as intended but as patrons). I don't know how you can achieve the transfer of information out of the whole gamut of different systems out there, but if you're gonna try it, I wouldn't worry about doing it with MARC. At least not right now. Anyway, that's my two cents worth. Cheers, Steven F. Baljkas library tech at large Koha neophyte (and MARC adept) Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "MJ Ray" <mjr@dsl.pipex.com> To: <koha@lists.katipo.co.nz> Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 6:53 AM Subject: Re: [Koha] Export MARC from Koha
On 2004-04-22 03:20:19 +0100 Rachel Hamilton-Williams <rachel@katipo.co.nz> wrote:
If you're exporting data I assume that the MARC export only does the catalogue records - so it doesn't do - Borrowers/patron records - Finacial records? - Reserves Do you think it would be a good idea to have a method for exporting this data as well?
Are there useful desired standard formats to export these into? Going beyond the MARC export is probably for 2.2?
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On 2004-04-22 21:19:19 +0100 Steven F. Baljkas <baljkas@mb.sympatico.ca> wrote:
Just so no one feels confused, there really aren't any MARC21 standards for patron information as such.
I was wondering more whether any of the "learner description" or people information file formats would be useful/interesting to koha users/owners.
I don't know what is meant exactly by 'financial records' but I am assuming that that is a euphemism for fines. Same as paragraph above.
I doubt that these can be exported in a useful way, but I could be wrong. Adding the ability to trigger code on fines to notify another accounting system may be interesting to someone. -- MJR/slef My Opinion Only and possibly not of any group I know. Please http://remember.to/edit_messages on lists to be sure I read http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ gopher://g.towers.org.uk/ slef@jabber.at Creative copyleft computing services via http://www.ttllp.co.uk/
I don't know what is meant exactly by 'financial records' but I am assuming that that is a euphemism for fines. Same as paragraph above.
I doubt that these can be exported in a useful way, but I could be wrong. Adding the ability to trigger code on fines to notify another accounting system may be interesting to someone.
Hi Guys Theres also the budget data if using full acquisitions. This might be useful to export also. Chris -- Chris Cormack Programmer 027 4500 789 Katipo Communications Ltd chris@katipo.co.nz www.katipo.co.nz
Hi, 1- I am not a specialist about MARC21 but i thought that UNIMARC was intended for use as an exchange format ? 2- I confirm that all datas from the biblio and bibliotitem tables are not exported (in test with my personal datas at least) . As i said in my previous message, datas like additional authors, subject, subtitle, date, etc. are not. 3- Answer to Rachel (see below) : First thing should be to export the entire catalogue but additional datas from the borowers would certainly be nice. PhR. MJ Ray a e'crit :
On 2004-04-21 12:37:09 +0100 Philippe Revault <ph.revault@free.fr> wrote:
1- Is the export format in MARC or in UNIMARC ?
More likely to be MARC21, as far as I understand the code, but I could be wrong.
2 - Which datas are exported ?
It should be possible to export all. If you are sure things are missing, let us know, I'll test and make sure it gets recorded.
Rachel Hamilton-Williams a e'crit : If you're exporting data I assume that the MARC export only does the catalogue records - so it doesn't do - Borrowers/patron records - Finacial records? - Reserves Do you think it would be a good idea to have a method for exporting this data as well?
Thursday, April 22, 2004 15:25 CDT Salut Philippe, A quick response to the first question from your list:
1- I am not a specialist about MARC21 but i thought that UNIMARC was intended for use as an exchange format ?
Actually, the *original* MARC format was USMARC. Without everyone going jingoistic, that's just a fact. By the 1990s, there were a variety of nationalised-MARC systems in the world (USMARC, CANMARC, Australian MARC, UKMARC, etc., etc., as we have had proof of even on this listserv when at various times people have written in asking if Danish MARC or Chinese MARC, etc. would be compatible with/represented in Koha). UNIMARC made great claims to being an international standard but was and is essentially Eurocentric, all apologies to IFLA. When you look at the MASSIVE amount of support documentation generated by the Library of Congress and the mind-boggling amount of work done by various governmental and private companies around MARC21 standards, you come to realise pretty quickly that there is a reason it is becoming the de facto global standard. All that aside, yes, UNIMARC was and is intended as an information exchange format (as is MARC21), and it is comprehended by Koha. From what Paul has written before, you need to *decide the MARC variety you are going to use.*
2- I confirm that all datas from the biblio and bibliotitem tables are not exported (in test with my personal datas at least) . As i said in my previous message, datas like additional authors, subject, subtitle, date, etc. are not.
Could you tell us which version of Koha you are using? That usually helps the developpers identify where glitches are coming from and how they can be fixed. And MJR has asked for a list of what is not being exported. In terms of the MARC coding, I may be able to help. Could you send me a test sample of the MARC records you are able to export off the listserv? I can examine them and see if something is happening to the MARC record's registry, inadvertent damage to which can cause lost data.
3- Answer to Rachel (see below) : First thing should be to export the entire catalogue but additional datas from the borowers would certainly be nice.
While there have been problems for others in exporting data from Koha and importing data into Koha, overall Koha seems to work for most people. Someone will be able to figure out what is glitching. Soyez patient. MJR has already asked that you send a list of what is missing so they can test and report it properly as a glitch. And Rachel is one of the big-picture people involved with Koha, so it is understandable that she took your question on exporting patron data to that level. Take that as a compliment. Amitiés, Steven F. Baljkas library tech at large -- bibliotechnicien Koha neophyte Winnipeg (Manitoba) Canada
On 2004-04-21 12:37:09 +0100 Philippe Revault <ph.revault@free.fr> wrote:
1- Is the export format in MARC or in UNIMARC ?
More likely to be MARC21, as far as I understand the code, but I could be wrong.
2 - Which datas are exported ?
It should be possible to export all. If you are sure things are missing, let us know, I'll test and make sure it gets recorded.
Rachel Hamilton-Williams a e'crit :
If you're exporting data I assume that the MARC export only does the catalogue records - so it doesn't do - Borrowers/patron records - Finacial records? - Reserves
Do you think it would be a good idea to have a method for exporting this data as well?
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On 2004-04-22 08:47:35 +0100 Philippe Revault <ph.revault@free.fr> wrote:
1- I am not a specialist about MARC21 but i thought that UNIMARC was intended for use as an exchange format ?
I am not sure, but UNIMARC seems more popular on mainland Europe and MARC21 with UK, North America and Aus/NZ. I think MARC21 is younger and more inclusive, but UNIMARC may still have some "killer feature" not yet in 21.
2- I confirm that all datas from the biblio and bibliotitem tables are not exported (in test with my personal datas at least) . As i said in my previous message, datas like additional authors, subject, subtitle, date, etc. are not.
OK, I'll enter this into bugs.koha.org. Can you trim the quoted email and reply beneath, please? Thanks in advance. -- MJR/slef My Opinion Only and possibly not of any group I know. Please http://remember.to/edit_messages on lists to be sure I read http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ gopher://g.towers.org.uk/ slef@jabber.at Creative copyleft computing services via http://www.ttllp.co.uk/
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