US-Centric question - SOPA/PIPA protest blackout on k-c.org tomorrow (US time)?
It would be easy to participate in the SOPA/PIPA web blackout protest tomorrow on koha-community.org, should we? Good idea? Bad idea? Do note, I don't intend for this thread to become a political debate - I just want to know if there is any corpus of support for participating in the blackout with one of our web properties. Liz Rea lrea@nekls.org
2012/1/17 Liz Rea <lrea@nekls.org>:
It would be easy to participate in the SOPA/PIPA web blackout protest tomorrow on koha-community.org, should we?
Good idea? Bad idea?
Do note, I don't intend for this thread to become a political debate - I just want to know if there is any corpus of support for participating in the blackout with one of our web properties.
I think this is a world-wide issue as through WTO agreements and such every country ends adding this kind of stuff to its legislation. I support the k-c site adition to the blackout. To+
I think this is a world-wide issue as through WTO agreements and such every country ends adding this kind of stuff to its legislation.
Even worse, this US (proposed) law could have direct affect outside the US: "Foreign Libraries Will Be Infringing Sites Under SOPA" http://go-to-hellman.blogspot.com/2012/01/foreign-libraries-will-be-infringi... David
2012/1/17 Liz Rea <lrea@nekls.org>
It would be easy to participate in the SOPA/PIPA web blackout protest tomorrow on koha-community.org, should we?
Good idea? Bad idea?
Do note, I don't intend for this thread to become a political debate - I just want to know if there is any corpus of support for participating in the blackout with one of our web properties.
+1 Kind Regards, Chris
From: koha-bounces@lists.katipo.co.nz [mailto:koha-bounces@lists.katipo.co.nz] On Behalf Of Chris Nighswonger Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 9:25 AM To: Liz Rea Cc: koha listserv Subject: Re: [Koha] US-Centric question - SOPA/PIPA protest blackout on k-c.org tomorrow (US time)? 2012/1/17 Liz Rea <lrea@nekls.org<mailto:lrea@nekls.org>> It would be easy to participate in the SOPA/PIPA web blackout protest tomorrow on koha-community.org<http://koha-community.org>, should we? [Harris, Gary L.] +1 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Gary L. Harris, M.L.S. M.A. Director, Technical Services Bureau New Mexico State Library 1209 Camino Carlos Rey Santa Fe, NM 87507 (505) 476-9730 gary.harris@state.nm.us<mailto:gary.harris@state.nm.us> http://www.nmstatelibrary.org<http://www.nmstatelibrary.org/> "You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete." -- Buckminster Fuller
Liz Rea <lrea@nekls.org>
It would be easy to participate in the SOPA/PIPA web blackout protest tomorrow on koha-community.org, should we?
Good idea? Bad idea?
If this means taking the websites offline, then I feel it's an awful idea for many reasons: firstly, it's self-harm, hurting our friends and not directly affecting our opponents; secondly, US websites didn't protest or go offline while Brits were fighting EUCD, RIPA, IPRED and so on (solidarity is not a one-way street and I see no prospect that US websites will go offline for future foreign issues); it demonstrates that the web can survive without those who oppose; and probably more reasons I've not thought of quickly. Protest banners/posts: +1 Defeating ourselves with a blackout: -1 Hope that explains, -- MJ Ray (slef), member of www.software.coop, a for-more-than-profit co-op. http://koha-community.org supporter, web and library systems developer. In My Opinion Only: see http://mjr.towers.org.uk/email.html Available for hire (including development) at http://www.software.coop/
Instead of a complete blackout, a new front page explaining the SOPA/PIPA issue with a click-though to the standard site would be a reasonable compromise. I certainly don't want to sound US-centric, but it seems that US policy often has world-wide ramifications ( often negative ) and it's probably in the best interest of every Internet user anywhere that SOPA/PIPA don't become law. Kyle http://www.kylehall.info Mill Run Technology Solutions ( http://millruntech.com ) Crawford County Federated Library System ( http://www.ccfls.org ) Meadville Public Library ( http://www.meadvillelibrary.org ) On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 2:22 PM, MJ Ray <mjr@phonecoop.coop> wrote:
Liz Rea <lrea@nekls.org>
It would be easy to participate in the SOPA/PIPA web blackout protest tomorrow on koha-community.org, should we?
Good idea? Bad idea?
If this means taking the websites offline, then I feel it's an awful idea for many reasons: firstly, it's self-harm, hurting our friends and not directly affecting our opponents; secondly, US websites didn't protest or go offline while Brits were fighting EUCD, RIPA, IPRED and so on (solidarity is not a one-way street and I see no prospect that US websites will go offline for future foreign issues); it demonstrates that the web can survive without those who oppose; and probably more reasons I've not thought of quickly.
Protest banners/posts: +1
Defeating ourselves with a blackout: -1
Hope that explains, -- MJ Ray (slef), member of www.software.coop, a for-more-than-profit co-op. http://koha-community.org supporter, web and library systems developer. In My Opinion Only: see http://mjr.towers.org.uk/email.html Available for hire (including development) at http://www.software.coop/ _______________________________________________ Koha mailing list http://koha-community.org Koha@lists.katipo.co.nz http://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha
MJ, Kyle, and others Check out http://sopablackout.org/ It has a black screen that says " This is what the web could look like under the Stop Online Piracy Act."Underneath it says "Click anywhere to continue." The site provides code that you can use to have the same effect on any other site, i.e. a black screen that lets you click anywhere to get to the real site. It makes a statement but does not prevent people from accessing the site. On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 2:43 PM, Kyle Hall <kyle.m.hall@gmail.com> wrote:
Instead of a complete blackout, a new front page explaining the SOPA/PIPA issue with a click-though to the standard site would be a reasonable compromise. I certainly don't want to sound US-centric, but it seems that US policy often has world-wide ramifications ( often negative ) and it's probably in the best interest of every Internet user anywhere that SOPA/PIPA don't become law.
Kyle
http://www.kylehall.info Mill Run Technology Solutions ( http://millruntech.com ) Crawford County Federated Library System ( http://www.ccfls.org ) Meadville Public Library ( http://www.meadvillelibrary.org )
On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 2:22 PM, MJ Ray <mjr@phonecoop.coop> wrote:
Liz Rea <lrea@nekls.org>
It would be easy to participate in the SOPA/PIPA web blackout protest tomorrow on koha-community.org, should we?
Good idea? Bad idea?
If this means taking the websites offline, then I feel it's an awful idea for many reasons: firstly, it's self-harm, hurting our friends and not directly affecting our opponents; secondly, US websites didn't protest or go offline while Brits were fighting EUCD, RIPA, IPRED and so on (solidarity is not a one-way street and I see no prospect that US websites will go offline for future foreign issues); it demonstrates that the web can survive without those who oppose; and probably more reasons I've not thought of quickly.
Protest banners/posts: +1
Defeating ourselves with a blackout: -1
Hope that explains, -- MJ Ray (slef), member of www.software.coop, a for-more-than-profit co-op. http://koha-community.org supporter, web and library systems developer. In My Opinion Only: see http://mjr.towers.org.uk/email.html Available for hire (including development) at http://www.software.coop/ _______________________________________________ Koha mailing list http://koha-community.org Koha@lists.katipo.co.nz http://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha
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Instead of a complete blackout, a new front page explaining the SOPA/PIPA issue with a click-though to the standard site would be a reasonable compromise. I certainly don't want to sound US-centric, but it seems that US policy often has world-wide ramifications ( often negative ) and it's probably in the best interest of every Internet user anywhere that SOPA/PIPA don't become law.
Kyle
http://www.kylehall.info Mill Run Technology Solutions ( http://millruntech.com ) Crawford County Federated Library System ( http://www.ccfls.org ) Meadville Public Library ( http://www.meadvillelibrary.org )
On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 2:22 PM, MJ Ray <mjr@phonecoop.coop> wrote:
Liz Rea <lrea@nekls.org>
It would be easy to participate in the SOPA/PIPA web blackout protest tomorrow on koha-community.org, should we?
Good idea? Bad idea?
If this means taking the websites offline, then I feel it's an awful idea for many reasons: firstly, it's self-harm, hurting our friends and not directly affecting our opponents; secondly, US websites didn't protest or go offline while Brits were fighting EUCD, RIPA, IPRED and so on (solidarity is not a one-way street and I see no prospect that US websites will go offline for future foreign issues); it demonstrates that the web can survive without those who oppose; and probably more reasons I've not thought of quickly.
Protest banners/posts: +1
Defeating ourselves with a blackout: -1
Hope that explains, -- MJ Ray (slef), member of www.software.coop, a for-more-than-profit co-op. http://koha-community.org supporter, web and library systems developer. In My Opinion Only: see http://mjr.towers.org.uk/email.html Available for hire (including development) at http://www.software.coop/ _______________________________________________ Koha mailing list http://koha-community.org Koha@lists.katipo.co.nz http://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha
Koha mailing list http://koha-community.org Koha@lists.katipo.co.nz http://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha
To address a few of these concerns: The "blackout" I'm going to apply will not be a strict black out. More like throwing a blanket over the lamp - people will still be able to click through to our site, and they'll only see the protest once if they have cookies enabled. Re: solidarity with other countries fighting bad laws - I (personally) welcome any similar requests from any community member who feels that it might be helpful for the community to take a stance on an issue such as SOPA/PIPA. Certainly, any request sent to the list (as this one was) should be considered in the spirit of international cooperation. Liz Rea lrea@nekls.org On Jan 17, 2012, at 1:22 PM, MJ Ray wrote:
Liz Rea <lrea@nekls.org>
It would be easy to participate in the SOPA/PIPA web blackout protest tomorrow on koha-community.org, should we?
Good idea? Bad idea?
If this means taking the websites offline, then I feel it's an awful idea for many reasons: firstly, it's self-harm, hurting our friends and not directly affecting our opponents; secondly, US websites didn't protest or go offline while Brits were fighting EUCD, RIPA, IPRED and so on (solidarity is not a one-way street and I see no prospect that US websites will go offline for future foreign issues); it demonstrates that the web can survive without those who oppose; and probably more reasons I've not thought of quickly.
Protest banners/posts: +1
Defeating ourselves with a blackout: -1
Hope that explains, -- MJ Ray (slef), member of www.software.coop, a for-more-than-profit co-op. http://koha-community.org supporter, web and library systems developer. In My Opinion Only: see http://mjr.towers.org.uk/email.html Available for hire (including development) at http://www.software.coop/ _______________________________________________ Koha mailing list http://koha-community.org Koha@lists.katipo.co.nz http://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha
At 01:45 PM 1/17/2012 -0600, Liz Rea wrote:
To address a few of these concerns:
The "blackout" I'm going to apply will not be a strict black out.
May I please take it for granted that this applies to *your* library (NE Kansas), and not to Koha in general, katipo.co.nz, koha-community, etc. I did write to you off list on this subject but have not yet heard back. For the record, we are in Canada and would prefer not to be involved in USA politics. Thanks - Paul
On 2012-01-18 09:50, Paul wrote:
For the record, we are in Canada and would prefer not to be involved in USA politics.
Unfortunately this is one of those wonderful US govt initiatives that will affect people in many countries. On the flip side, there's very little those of us in said other countries can do about it. Robin.
robin@catalyst.net.nz
Unfortunately this is one of those wonderful US govt initiatives that will affect people in many countries. On the flip side, there's very little those of us in said other countries can do about it.
Some are hoping to use the new e-petitions mechanism to get the UK parliament to debate and ideally condemn the US proposals. I doubt it will work, but it's something we can do. I'll post it to my website and probably the co-op's homepage once I know where it is. More to the point, the corrosive lobbyist grapevine (see http://twit.tv/show/floss-weekly/192 ) means other governments will doubtless bring forward similar proposals (if they haven't already), so make sure that you are in touch with your local campaigns. In Europe, EDRI.org is a good starting point. Also, look at any business or professional groups that you or your organisation support and check whether they are involved and on what side. Sometimes these bad laws will purport to be about copyright infringement (I live on the coast so I will not call it piracy), counterfeiting or pornography, but those are secondary issues used as trojan horses: these laws are primarily giving control of public internet access to certain corporations that the public would choose to avoid in an open market (see Phorm for the public avoiding someone). Anyway, I'm happy it's a protest not a blackout. Regards, -- MJ Ray (slef), member of www.software.coop, a for-more-than-profit co-op. http://koha-community.org supporter, web and library systems developer. In My Opinion Only: see http://mjr.towers.org.uk/email.html Available for hire (including development) at http://www.software.coop/
On 18/01/12 07:50, Paul wrote:
At 01:45 PM 1/17/2012 -0600, Liz Rea wrote:
To address a few of these concerns:
The "blackout" I'm going to apply will not be a strict black out.
May I please take it for granted that this applies to *your* library (NE Kansas), and not to Koha in general, katipo.co.nz, koha-community, etc. I did write to you off list on this subject but have not yet heard back.
For the record, we are in Canada and would prefer not to be involved in USA politics. Unfortunately, due to bi-lateral trade agreements, bad law made in the USA has major ramifications in many jurisdictions.
+1 to posting a notice on a blank page and providing a click through to the site (along the lines suggested by Karen Kohn). Bob Birchall Calyx
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