Help with installation on fedora 8
I am reminded very much of a situation we had with hardware vs software many years ago with the hardware guys saying it was a software fault and the software guys saying it was a hardware fault. Judging by the one and only reply to my request for help and no further response from my reply to that, it appears that I am looking at a koha vs perl/CPAN situation. I am a great supporter of OpenSource, but after spending so much time on koha (not only the previous four days-but in the considerable problems in past installs) it appears that it is time to cut my losses and just write my own application that will suit my purposes. Bye all Ken
On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 06:58:46PM +1200, Ken Lomax wrote:
I am reminded very much of a situation we had with hardware vs software many years ago with the hardware guys saying it was a software fault and the software guys saying it was a hardware fault.
Judging by the one and only reply to my request for help and no further response from my reply to that, it appears that I am looking at a koha vs perl/CPAN situation.
why do you insist on Fedora? use Debian and everything will work and also for Debian you can get more support here.
I am a great supporter of OpenSource, but after spending so much time on koha (not only the previous four days-but in the considerable problems in past installs) it appears that it is time to cut my losses and just write my own application that will suit my purposes.
It really depends on what you need, but for the system like Koha you will spend few years of development and also lot of help from librarians, and than, around version 3 you will finally be satisfied with your architecture :) good luck :) Marijana --- Marijana Glavica Faculty of Humanities and Social Sciences Libraries I. Lucica 3, 10000 Zagreb, Croatia http://www.knjiznice.ffzg.hr
On Wed, 2008-04-30 at 10:08 +0200, Marijana Glavica wrote:
On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 06:58:46PM +1200, Ken Lomax wrote:
I am reminded very much of a situation we had with hardware vs software many years ago with the hardware guys saying it was a software fault and the software guys saying it was a hardware fault.
Judging by the one and only reply to my request for help and no further response from my reply to that, it appears that I am looking at a koha vs perl/CPAN situation.
why do you insist on Fedora? use Debian and everything will work and also for Debian you can get more support here.
Thia is the problem with so many distros. I have been in this situation before with another challenge. Some distros are better at some things than others, but a major application that only supports one distro.......?????? If I change to debian, then i will have exactly the same problem with other services who support a different distro. As this is a small operation, I cannot afford a multitude of dedicated servers each running a different distro
I am a great supporter of OpenSource, but after spending so much time on koha (not only the previous four days-but in the considerable problems in past installs) it appears that it is time to cut my losses and just write my own application that will suit my purposes.
It really depends on what you need, but for the system like Koha you will spend few years of development and also lot of help from librarians, and than, around version 3 you will finally be satisfied with your architecture :).
I was hoping to solve my library problem with an existing application. It is not a full professional library application that is required here, but from the experience I have had with working installations I give my congratulations to developers for a good application. If I was running a professional full scale library with a dedicated server, then Koha would be a good choice. However I have spent a total of well over 300 hours trying to get an installation that I am happy with. In hindsight I would have been well towards an application that would have served my needs if I had put that time into my own application rather than getting involved in Koha.
good luck :) Marijana
Thanks Regards Ken
--- Marijana Glavica Faculty of Humanities and Social Sciences Libraries I. Lucica 3, 10000 Zagreb, Croatia http://www.knjiznice.ffzg.hr
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Hey Ken, On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 4:43 AM, Ken Lomax <ken@lomax.gen.nz> wrote:
On Wed, 2008-04-30 at 10:08 +0200, Marijana Glavica wrote:
On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 06:58:46PM +1200, Ken Lomax wrote:
I am reminded very much of a situation we had with hardware vs software many years ago with the hardware guys saying it was a software fault and the software guys saying it was a hardware fault.
Judging by the one and only reply to my request for help and no further response from my reply to that, it appears that I am looking at a koha vs perl/CPAN situation.
why do you insist on Fedora? use Debian and everything will work and also for Debian you can get more support here.
Thia is the problem with so many distros. I have been in this situation before with another challenge. Some distros are better at some things than others, but a major application that only supports one distro.......?????? If I change to debian, then i will have exactly the same problem with other services who support a different distro. As this is a small operation, I cannot afford a multitude of dedicated servers each running a different distro
I am a great supporter of OpenSource, but after spending so much time on koha (not only the previous four days-but in the considerable problems in past installs) it appears that it is time to cut my losses and just write my own application that will suit my purposes.
It really depends on what you need, but for the system like Koha you will spend few years of development and also lot of help from librarians, and than, around version 3 you will finally be satisfied with your architecture :).
I was hoping to solve my library problem with an existing application. It is not a full professional library application that is required here, but from the experience I have had with working installations I give my congratulations to developers for a good application. If I was running a professional full scale library with a dedicated server, then Koha would be a good choice.
However I have spent a total of well over 300 hours trying to get an installation that I am happy with. In hindsight I would have been well towards an application that would have served my needs if I had put that time into my own application rather than getting involved in Koha.
Well, IMO that's not a particularly helpful attitude; there are a lot of hard-working folks in this community, and we don't happen to know much about your favorite flavor of LInux. For what it's worth, I just discovered the following French document for how to install Koha on Fedora: http://www.sigb-libres.info/guide-installation-koha3-alpha-fedora-7 I'm investigating having it translated and added to INSTALL.redhat. Is that something you'd be willing to work on and contribute for RHEL? It'd be a shame to waste that 300+ hours :-) Cheers, -- Joshua Ferraro SUPPORT FOR OPEN-SOURCE SOFTWARE CEO migration, training, maintenance, support LibLime Featuring Koha Open-Source ILS jmf@liblime.com |Full Demos at http://liblime.com/koha |1(888)KohaILS
On 2008/04/30, at 6:58 PM, Ken Lomax wrote:
I am reminded very much of a situation we had with hardware vs software many years ago with the hardware guys saying it was a software fault and the software guys saying it was a hardware fault.
Judging by the one and only reply to my request for help and no further response from my reply to that, it appears that I am looking at a koha vs perl/CPAN situation.
I am a great supporter of OpenSource, but after spending so much time on koha (not only the previous four days-but in the considerable problems in past installs) it appears that it is time to cut my losses and just write my own application that will suit my purposes.
Bye all Ken
Hi Ken, Seriously, If I had access to a Redhat/Fedora box, I would help you out, but i dont :( My advice is to set yourself up a working Koha3 on Debian first (or even an Ubuntu-server), the CPAN dependanices happen pretty smoothly, and any problems you encounter will be well known (and resolved) by most of the Koha developers internationally (as they mostly use Debian/Ubuntu) Then, once you have a working standard Koha, you can use it to help troubleshoot your issues on your Fedora box. Start with a *known* working system, then start bending it. Cheers, Mason.
Thanks for the suggestion. It would be useful except that I dont have the hardware available for this. I am trying to dechiper the french document and am hoping that my experience of previous install will allow me to work through a document in french when I cant read/speak french. However it looks the most useful lead at the moment Many thanks to all. Regards Ken On Thu, 2008-05-01 at 14:56 +1200, Mason James wrote:
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Ken -- You might consider doing some of the experimental work in VMware, and thereby get away from hardware limitations, have fallbacks, etc. You could presumably run both a Redhat VM and a Debian VM on your Redhat host, and then use converter to "write down" whichever you preferred to the host hardware. --Joe Atzberger On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 1:00 AM, Ken Lomax <ken@lomax.gen.nz> wrote:
Thanks for the suggestion. It would be useful except that I dont have the hardware available for this.
I am trying to dechiper the french document and am hoping that my experience of previous install will allow me to work through a document in french when I cant read/speak french. However it looks the most useful lead at the moment
Many thanks to all.
Regards Ken
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