Re: [Koha] Migrating, analyticals and MARC frameworks
No problem Elaine, I really couldn't say if you've missed something, as far as I can remember this worked out of the box for us (3.0.2). One thing I just noticed, and that may explain your problem, is that this does work out of the box in the OPAC client, but it is not displayed in the detail view of the staff client. I believe you'd have to customize your xslt templates to make this display in the staff. Also, the biblio number to use is the biblio number internal to Koha, that is displayed in the URL in the biblio detail view or in the MARC view from the staff client after 'MARC biblio :'. Below is the MARC from a couple of biblios, one a parent (which in turn has it's own parent) and one of it's child biblios: PS. Don't forget to reply to the whole list. Best, Patrick LDR 00863nam a2200241 u 4500 005 20091020153016.0 008 091020s1975 xx ||||| |||||||| ||ita|| 100 1 _9133 _aBalthasar, Hans Urs von, _d1905-1988 245 10 _aGloria : Una estetica teologica. 260 _aMilano: _bJaca Book, _c1975. 300 _a7 v. 440 0 _aGià e non ancora; 650 _92884 _aBalthasar, Hans Urs von - Letteratura primaria A (libri primari) 773 0 _tTrilogia _w6964 774 0 _tVol. 1. La Percezione della forma _w3118 774 0 _tVol. 2. Stili ecclesiastici _w5033 774 0 _tVol. 3. Stili Laicali _w5034 774 0 _tVol. 4. Nello spazio della metafisica: l'antichità _w4097 774 0 _tVol. 5. Nello spazio della metafisica: l'epoca moderna _w4096 774 0 _tVol. 6. Antico Patto _w177 774 0 _tVol. 7. Nuovo Patto _w4147 942 _cLIB 999 _c6961 _d6961 LDR 01103nam a2200253 u 4500 005 20090625112100.0 008 090624s1975 xx ||||| |||||||| ||ita|| 100 1 _9133 _aBalthasar, Hans Urs von, _d1905-1988 243 10 _aGloria. Una estetica teologica. _nI 245 13 _aLa percezione della forma. 250 _a1a ed. 260 _aMilano : _bJaca Book, _c1975. 440 0 _aGià e non ancora ; _v3 510 4 _aH.U. von Balthasar Bibliographie 1925-2005, _cA 32 534 _pTraduzione di: _tHerrlichkeit: Eine theologische Ästhetik : Schau der Gestalt. _cJohannes Verlag, 1961. _b1a ed. 650 04 _92884 _aBalthasar, Hans Urs von - Letteratura primaria A (libri primari) 700 1 _92300 _aRuggieri, G., _etr. 773 0 _tTrilogia: _w6964 773 0 _tGloria: Una estetica teologica: _w6961 _gVol. I 942 _2z _cLIB 952 _p9048 _40 _00 _6BH_IIT _94130 _bCB _10 _oB.H I-it _d2009-06-28 _70 _cBB _2z _yLIB _aCB 952 _p8214 _40 _00 _6BH_IIT _94131 _bCB _10 _oB.H I-it _d2009-06-28 _70 _cVB1pr _2z _yLIB _aCB 952 _p3745 _40 _00 _6BH_IIT _94132 _bCB _10 _oB.H I-it _d2009-06-28 _70 _cRB1pr _2z _yLIB _aCB 999 _c3118 _d3118 On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 11:04 PM, Elaine Bradtke <bradtke.e@googlemail.com>wrote:
Thanks Patrick. I've enabled the $w in the MARC framework, told it the Koha link was a biblionumber and edited the ISBD so that it displays, but there doesn't seem to be a working link. Am I missing a step somewhere?. Could you send me the MARC for an example that you have? Thanks
On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 8:24 AM, Patrick - Biblioteca Casa Balthasar <biblioteca@casabalthasar.org> wrote:
Elaine, Reguarding your second question:
2) Analyticals - we've got lots of them, and they're one of the most
useful features of our database. One of our advisory committee has
suggested that we make a live link between the child record (eg. a
conference paper in a book of proceedings) and the parent record (the
proceedings themselves). I know where to do this in MARC, but I'm not
sure what should go in there. How do you put a hotlink between
biblios? Has anyone tried? Does it use the biblio number as a target?
This feature works great in Koha and is easy enough to do. Just put the biblio number in 773$w or 774$w depending on the relationship you want to establish between records. 773$t, the field for the title is required by Koha. The rest of the subfields along with the title will be concatenated into the text that is displayed to your users; here there's a great deal of flexibility in how you can use and also order the subfields. Best, Patrick Redmon
On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 6:22 PM, Elaine Bradtke < bradtke.e@googlemail.com> wrote:
We're experimenting with migrating from a database into KOHA and I've got three sort of interrelated questions. 1) once you've sucked in the newly minted MARC (I'll skip over the techno-magic our IT wizard is doing to get to that point) it seems as if it's still necessary to go into the MARC record and add info into 003 005 and 008 fields. Is there any way that can be done either as part of the conversion process or as part of the importation? If it isn't done until sometime later (like when we get around to adding barcodes), does it wreak havoc in some part of the system that I haven't thought of? It looks as if searching works fine on unedited records.
2) Analyticals - we've got lots of them, and they're one of the most useful features of our database. One of our advisory committee has suggested that we make a live link between the child record (eg. a conference paper in a book of proceedings) and the parent record (the proceedings themselves). I know where to do this in MARC, but I'm not sure what should go in there. How do you put a hotlink between biblios? Has anyone tried? Does it use the biblio number as a target?
3) There seem to be quite a profusion of MARC frameworks. While I understand it will be useful when we bring in our data on Serials, and possibly the audio and video collections, I'm wondering what the point is for all the rest of the stuff. I've had to do some tweaking to the MARC framework to accommodate some of the complexities of our collection. So far I've done this in the Books, Booklets, Workbooks framework. But the import seems to go into the Default framework. Should I be making all my tweaks in the Default framework and not worry about the others for now? The items we're currently attempting to import are (mostly) some form of printed material.
4) Ours is primarily a research collection with very few items that circulate and very few borrowers. I'd like to switch off the display of the 'not for loan' status, and perhaps hide the number of items (since, in the case of the analyticals it will say no items, which might be confusing). Has anyone made this sort of modification?
thanks! -- Elaine _______________________________________________ Koha mailing list Koha@lists.katipo.co.nz http://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha
-- Elaine
Very useful, thanks Your examples confirmed that at least from a MARC point of view, I hadn't done anything wrong. I've got it displaying in both the staff and the OPAC, but it's not a live link. We're still in the testing phase, and I'm running a slightly out of date version (3.00.01.05) on my Mac at the moment because the VMware version doesn't seem to update. This may be why it's not working properly. At the moment, we're concentrating on tweaking the data migration process, and cleaning up the source data so that it will convert nicely. When we do the install for real on the server we'll use the the latest version. But it is nice to know that it will work, once everything is in place. Elaine On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 9:19 AM, Patrick - Biblioteca Casa Balthasar <biblioteca@casabalthasar.org> wrote:
No problem Elaine, I really couldn't say if you've missed something, as far as I can remember this worked out of the box for us (3.0.2). One thing I just noticed, and that may explain your problem, is that this does work out of the box in the OPAC client, but it is not displayed in the detail view of the staff client. I believe you'd have to customize your xslt templates to make this display in the staff. Also, the biblio number to use is the biblio number internal to Koha, that is displayed in the URL in the biblio detail view or in the MARC view from the staff client after 'MARC biblio :'. Below is the MARC from a couple of biblios, one a parent (which in turn has it's own parent) and one of it's child biblios: PS. Don't forget to reply to the whole list. Best, Patrick
LDR 00863nam a2200241 u 4500 005 20091020153016.0 008 091020s1975 xx ||||| |||||||| ||ita|| 100 1 _9133 _aBalthasar, Hans Urs von, _d1905-1988 245 10 _aGloria : Una estetica teologica. 260 _aMilano: _bJaca Book, _c1975. 300 _a7 v. 440 0 _aGià e non ancora; 650 _92884 _aBalthasar, Hans Urs von - Letteratura primaria A (libri primari) 773 0 _tTrilogia _w6964 774 0 _tVol. 1. La Percezione della forma _w3118 774 0 _tVol. 2. Stili ecclesiastici _w5033 774 0 _tVol. 3. Stili Laicali _w5034 774 0 _tVol. 4. Nello spazio della metafisica: l'antichità _w4097 774 0 _tVol. 5. Nello spazio della metafisica: l'epoca moderna _w4096 774 0 _tVol. 6. Antico Patto _w177 774 0 _tVol. 7. Nuovo Patto _w4147 942 _cLIB 999 _c6961 _d6961
LDR 01103nam a2200253 u 4500 005 20090625112100.0 008 090624s1975 xx ||||| |||||||| ||ita|| 100 1 _9133 _aBalthasar, Hans Urs von, _d1905-1988 243 10 _aGloria. Una estetica teologica. _nI 245 13 _aLa percezione della forma. 250 _a1a ed. 260 _aMilano : _bJaca Book, _c1975. 440 0 _aGià e non ancora ; _v3 510 4 _aH.U. von Balthasar Bibliographie 1925-2005, _cA 32 534 _pTraduzione di: _tHerrlichkeit: Eine theologische Ästhetik : Schau der Gestalt. _cJohannes Verlag, 1961. _b1a ed. 650 04 _92884 _aBalthasar, Hans Urs von - Letteratura primaria A (libri primari) 700 1 _92300 _aRuggieri, G., _etr. 773 0 _tTrilogia: _w6964 773 0 _tGloria: Una estetica teologica: _w6961 _gVol. I 942 _2z _cLIB 952 _p9048 _40 _00 _6BH_IIT _94130 _bCB _10 _oB.H I-it _d2009-06-28 _70 _cBB _2z _yLIB _aCB 952 _p8214 _40 _00 _6BH_IIT _94131 _bCB _10 _oB.H I-it _d2009-06-28 _70 _cVB1pr _2z _yLIB _aCB 952 _p3745 _40 _00 _6BH_IIT _94132 _bCB _10 _oB.H I-it _d2009-06-28 _70 _cRB1pr _2z _yLIB _aCB 999 _c3118 _d3118
On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 11:04 PM, Elaine Bradtke <bradtke.e@googlemail.com> wrote:
Thanks Patrick. I've enabled the $w in the MARC framework, told it the Koha link was a biblionumber and edited the ISBD so that it displays, but there doesn't seem to be a working link. Am I missing a step somewhere?. Could you send me the MARC for an example that you have? Thanks
On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 8:24 AM, Patrick - Biblioteca Casa Balthasar <biblioteca@casabalthasar.org> wrote:
Elaine, Reguarding your second question:
2) Analyticals - we've got lots of them, and they're one of the most
useful features of our database. One of our advisory committee has
suggested that we make a live link between the child record (eg. a
conference paper in a book of proceedings) and the parent record (the
proceedings themselves). I know where to do this in MARC, but I'm not
sure what should go in there. How do you put a hotlink between
biblios? Has anyone tried? Does it use the biblio number as a target?
This feature works great in Koha and is easy enough to do. Just put the biblio number in 773$w or 774$w depending on the relationship you want to establish between records. 773$t, the field for the title is required by Koha. The rest of the subfields along with the title will be concatenated into the text that is displayed to your users; here there's a great deal of flexibility in how you can use and also order the subfields. Best, Patrick Redmon
On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 6:22 PM, Elaine Bradtke <bradtke.e@googlemail.com> wrote:
We're experimenting with migrating from a database into KOHA and I've got three sort of interrelated questions. 1) once you've sucked in the newly minted MARC (I'll skip over the techno-magic our IT wizard is doing to get to that point) it seems as if it's still necessary to go into the MARC record and add info into 003 005 and 008 fields. Is there any way that can be done either as part of the conversion process or as part of the importation? If it isn't done until sometime later (like when we get around to adding barcodes), does it wreak havoc in some part of the system that I haven't thought of? It looks as if searching works fine on unedited records.
2) Analyticals - we've got lots of them, and they're one of the most useful features of our database. One of our advisory committee has suggested that we make a live link between the child record (eg. a conference paper in a book of proceedings) and the parent record (the proceedings themselves). I know where to do this in MARC, but I'm not sure what should go in there. How do you put a hotlink between biblios? Has anyone tried? Does it use the biblio number as a target?
3) There seem to be quite a profusion of MARC frameworks. While I understand it will be useful when we bring in our data on Serials, and possibly the audio and video collections, I'm wondering what the point is for all the rest of the stuff. I've had to do some tweaking to the MARC framework to accommodate some of the complexities of our collection. So far I've done this in the Books, Booklets, Workbooks framework. But the import seems to go into the Default framework. Should I be making all my tweaks in the Default framework and not worry about the others for now? The items we're currently attempting to import are (mostly) some form of printed material.
4) Ours is primarily a research collection with very few items that circulate and very few borrowers. I'd like to switch off the display of the 'not for loan' status, and perhaps hide the number of items (since, in the case of the analyticals it will say no items, which might be confusing). Has anyone made this sort of modification?
thanks! -- Elaine _______________________________________________ Koha mailing list Koha@lists.katipo.co.nz http://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha
-- Elaine
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