Comment: Koha Community Code of Conduct
I have some concerns about the Koha Community Code of Conduct posted here: http://koha-community.org/about/policy/code-of-conduct/ <http://koha-community.org/about/policy/code-of-conduct/> My specific concern is the second bullet point: Harassment includes, but is not limited to: * ---snip--- * Verbal, graphic or written comments related to gender, gender identity, sexual orientation, disability, physical appearance, body size, race or religion which seems overly broad. Examples If, during a conference breaking for lunch, I say to a group of attendees "I'm Buddhist, is there a vegetarian restaurant near here?", I would seem to have violated this point (verbal...comment...religion). Or if I'm a presenter, and I make a comment for illustrative purposes, like "Just as people come in all sizes, libraries also vary in size and Koha is great for all of them", have I violated the code? Or if I'm with a group of attendees planning on going out somewhere, and I say "I have <insert any health problem>, and I can't walk with you that far", is that a violation? I would like to suggest that the wording for this particular point include something to the effect that the references must be obviously negative in nature or perhaps intended to give offense to to an average person _based_on_some_reasonable_standard_. -- Greg Lawson
I highly agree with the spirit of the CoC, but with this discussion I realize that taking the following part literally would forbid me to give people credit when listening to them during a KohaCon: "Harassment includes, but is not limited to: […] • Posting (or threatening to post) other people’s personally identifying information. […] Names are the mother of personally identifying information and since a good reputation is sort of the currency in a FOSS-community not being able to publicly give people credit seems counter productive :) I guess the paragraph is ment to cover giving credit, but as I read it that may be the effect(?) Kind regards/Viktor Viktor Sarge Utvecklingsledare Regionbibliotek Halland Kultur i Halland TFN: 035-17 98 73 E-POST: Viktor.Sarge@regionhalland.se BESÖKSADRESS: Södra vägen 9, 30180 Halmstad WEBB: www.regionhalland.se/regionbibliotek 26 sep 2014 kl. 21:49 skrev glaws <glawson@rhcl.org>:
I have some concerns about the Koha Community Code of Conduct posted here:
http://koha-community.org/about/policy/code-of-conduct/ <http://koha-community.org/about/policy/code-of-conduct/>
My specific concern is the second bullet point:
Harassment includes, but is not limited to:
* ---snip--- * Verbal, graphic or written comments related to gender, gender identity, sexual orientation, disability, physical appearance, body size, race or religion
which seems overly broad.
Examples
If, during a conference breaking for lunch, I say to a group of attendees "I'm Buddhist, is there a vegetarian restaurant near here?", I would seem to have violated this point (verbal...comment...religion).
Or if I'm a presenter, and I make a comment for illustrative purposes, like "Just as people come in all sizes, libraries also vary in size and Koha is great for all of them", have I violated the code?
Or if I'm with a group of attendees planning on going out somewhere, and I say "I have <insert any health problem>, and I can't walk with you that far", is that a violation?
I would like to suggest that the wording for this particular point include something to the effect that the references must be obviously negative in nature or perhaps intended to give offense to to an average person _based_on_some_reasonable_standard_.
-- Greg Lawson
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I wish I knew the background better, but a lot of the recent discussion on Codes of Conduct I think stems from some recent problems in the gaming community. Again, I admit my knowledge is limited, but I think it had something to do with male gamers putting down female gamers; very offensive words and actions were used in that situation, and the "outing" of personally identifying information was one of the problems. I think any reasonable person applying a reasonable standard would realize the CoC wording as is currently stands wouldn't apply to the examples I cited, nor to yours. It's the unreasonable factors we have to be concerned with, and just a little modding of the wording will fix things. Greg -------------------- On 09/26/2014 04:12 PM, Viktor.Sarge@regionhalland.se wrote:
I highly agree with the spirit of the CoC, but with this discussion I realize that taking the following part literally would forbid me to give people credit when listening to them during a KohaCon:
"Harassment includes, but is not limited to: […] • Posting (or threatening to post) other people’s personally identifying information. […]
Names are the mother of personally identifying information and since a good reputation is sort of the currency in a FOSS-community not being able to publicly give people credit seems counter productive :) I guess the paragraph is ment to cover giving credit, but as I read it that may be the effect(?)
Kind regards/Viktor
Viktor Sarge Utvecklingsledare Regionbibliotek Halland Kultur i Halland
TFN: 035-17 98 73 E-POST: Viktor.Sarge@regionhalland.se BESÖKSADRESS: Södra vägen 9, 30180 Halmstad WEBB: www.regionhalland.se/regionbibliotek
26 sep 2014 kl. 21:49 skrev glaws <glawson@rhcl.org>:
I have some concerns about the Koha Community Code of Conduct posted here:
http://koha-community.org/about/policy/code-of-conduct/ <http://koha-community.org/about/policy/code-of-conduct/>
My specific concern is the second bullet point:
Harassment includes, but is not limited to:
* ---snip--- * Verbal, graphic or written comments related to gender, gender identity, sexual orientation, disability, physical appearance, body size, race or religion
which seems overly broad.
Examples
If, during a conference breaking for lunch, I say to a group of attendees "I'm Buddhist, is there a vegetarian restaurant near here?", I would seem to have violated this point (verbal...comment...religion).
Or if I'm a presenter, and I make a comment for illustrative purposes, like "Just as people come in all sizes, libraries also vary in size and Koha is great for all of them", have I violated the code?
Or if I'm with a group of attendees planning on going out somewhere, and I say "I have <insert any health problem>, and I can't walk with you that far", is that a violation?
I would like to suggest that the wording for this particular point include something to the effect that the references must be obviously negative in nature or perhaps intended to give offense to to an average person _based_on_some_reasonable_standard_.
-- Greg Lawson
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Would that it was as simple as: Play nicely with others; no name-calling, teasing, or bad language. . . Sadly, we're not five years old anymore. I would like to plea for clear, concise language. Especially given the large number of Koha users whose native tongue is not English. I might even offer to help edit it. . . though I'm not usually known for my brevity! On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 10:34 PM, glaws <glawson@rhcl.org> wrote:
I wish I knew the background better, but a lot of the recent discussion on Codes of Conduct I think stems from some recent problems in the gaming community. Again, I admit my knowledge is limited, but I think it had something to do with male gamers putting down female gamers; very offensive words and actions were used in that situation, and the "outing" of personally identifying information was one of the problems.
I think any reasonable person applying a reasonable standard would realize the CoC wording as is currently stands wouldn't apply to the examples I cited, nor to yours. It's the unreasonable factors we have to be concerned with, and just a little modding of the wording will fix things.
Greg
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I highly agree with the spirit of the CoC, but with this discussion I realize that taking the following part literally would forbid me to give
On 09/26/2014 04:12 PM, Viktor.Sarge@regionhalland.se wrote: people credit when listening to them during a KohaCon:
"Harassment includes, but is not limited to: […] • Posting (or threatening to post) other people’s personally
[…]
Names are the mother of personally identifying information and since a good reputation is sort of the currency in a FOSS-community not being able to publicly give people credit seems counter productive :) I guess the
identifying information. paragraph is ment to cover giving credit, but as I read it that may be the effect(?)
Kind regards/Viktor
Viktor Sarge Utvecklingsledare Regionbibliotek Halland Kultur i Halland
TFN: 035-17 98 73 E-POST: Viktor.Sarge@regionhalland.se BESÖKSADRESS: Södra vägen 9, 30180 Halmstad WEBB: www.regionhalland.se/regionbibliotek
26 sep 2014 kl. 21:49 skrev glaws <glawson@rhcl.org>:
I have some concerns about the Koha Community Code of Conduct posted
here:
http://koha-community.org/about/policy/code-of-conduct/ <http://koha-community.org/about/policy/code-of-conduct/>
My specific concern is the second bullet point:
Harassment includes, but is not limited to:
* ---snip--- * Verbal, graphic or written comments related to gender, gender identity, sexual orientation, disability, physical appearance, body size, race or religion
which seems overly broad.
Examples
If, during a conference breaking for lunch, I say to a group of attendees "I'm Buddhist, is there a vegetarian restaurant near here?", I would seem to have violated this point (verbal...comment...religion).
Or if I'm a presenter, and I make a comment for illustrative purposes, like "Just as people come in all sizes, libraries also vary in size and Koha is great for all of them", have I violated the code?
Or if I'm with a group of attendees planning on going out somewhere, and I say "I have <insert any health problem>, and I can't walk with you that far", is that a violation?
I would like to suggest that the wording for this particular point include something to the effect that the references must be obviously negative in nature or perhaps intended to give offense to to an average person _based_on_some_reasonable_standard_.
-- Greg Lawson
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-- Greg Lawson Rolling Hills Consolidated Library 1912 N. Belt Highway St. Joseph, MO 64506 816-232-5479 x2303
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