Disable displaying items from other locations (independent branches)
Hi there, i have a question about the "independent branches"-feature. I activated it straight after a clean install on a VPS for testing purposes and it worked fine so far. I have two users now, lets say anna and max. They both are staff at different librarys (a and b). If i login with one of them at the opac interface, searching for books located at the library which is not their home-library, it's not shown. Nice. But if i search for things at the koha-staff-interface, it also shows the books located at the other libraries. I found this site at Google: http://librarypolice.com/wiki.koha.org/en:development:independentbranches.ht... Regarding Independent Branches it says: "Staff Client Catalog Search: By default, items from other locations are displayed catalog searches." But i don't get how to change this default behaviour? Once again, now at Opac it seems they are all restricted to their home-libraries, getting only results of their home-library. At the staff-interface it shows all. Thanks for help! Sincerely, Gregor Henker
At 11:26 PM 9/20/2015 +0200, le-grex wrote:
Hi there,
i have a question about the "independent branches"-feature. I activated it straight after a clean install on a VPS for testing purposes and it worked fine so far.
Please, which version of Koha did you install? The "Library Police" page that you cite below is somewhere between five and ten years out of date -- you may want to try <http://koha-community.org/documentation/>... Paul
I have two users now, lets say anna and max. They both are staff at different librarys (a and b).
If i login with one of them at the opac interface, searching for books located at the library which is not their home-library, it's not shown. Nice. But if i search for things at the koha-staff-interface, it also shows the books located at the other libraries.
I found this site at Google:
http://librarypolice.com/wiki.koha.org/en:development:independentbranches.ht...
Regarding Independent Branches it says:
"Staff Client Catalog Search: By default, items from other locations are displayed catalog searches."
But i don't get how to change this default behaviour?
Once again, now at Opac it seems they are all restricted to their home-libraries, getting only results of their home-library. At the staff-interface it shows all.
Thanks for help!
Sincerely,
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Am 21.09.2015 um 00:56 schrieb Paul A:
At 11:26 PM 9/20/2015 +0200, le-grex wrote:
Hi there,
Hi,
Please, which version of Koha did you install? The "Library Police" page that you cite below is somewhere between five and ten years out of date -- you may want to try <http://koha-community.org/documentation/>...
I guess it's the actual stable, it's: 3.20.03. I know this is a strange old mirror, but it was the best hit for my "exclude search results from koha independent branches" search...
Paul
Ciao, grex
Hi Gregor, Le-grex schrieb am 20.09.2015
"Staff Client Catalog Search: By default, items from other locations are displayed catalog searches."
But i don't get how to change this default behaviour?
I don't think there is an equivalent to the OPAC limitation options in the staff client. You can manually limit searches to a single branch in advanced search, I assume that is meant here. If you do not want the libraries to be connected at all, multiple Koha instances may be a better choice than independent branches. Have you looked into that? HTH, Mirko -- Mirko Tietgen mirko@abunchofthings.net http://koha.abunchofthings.net http://meinkoha.de
Am 21.09.2015 um 08:53 schrieb Mirko Tietgen:
Hi Gregor,
Hello Mirko,
Le-grex schrieb am 20.09.2015
"Staff Client Catalog Search: By default, items from other locations are displayed catalog searches."
But i don't get how to change this default behaviour?
I don't think there is an equivalent to the OPAC limitation options in the staff client. You can manually limit searches to a single branch in advanced search, I assume that is meant here.
Mh, maybe if i can make this fix for the common search in staff-client, that would be a way.
If you do not want the libraries to be connected at all, multiple Koha instances may be a better choice than independent branches. Have you looked into that?
Yes, indeed and it makes sense, but: There are some dozens of libraries of this organisation (In fact it is one organisation, but they are more or less independent from eachother). Each one does not have soooo many items (books etc.)... The Problem is not so much, that i can find items from other libraries, but that i can see how often which item has been borrowed etc. So i hoped, having one instance with a lot of branches on a "nice" server, is more suitable than having... let's say 20 Koha Instances on one Server or 20 VMs ;)
HTH,
Mirko
Ya, thank you. Ciao, grex
Hi Gregor, Am 21.09.2015 um 14:33 schrieb le-grex:
Yes, indeed and it makes sense, but: There are some dozens of libraries of this organisation (In fact it is one organisation, but they are more or less independent from eachother). Each one does not have soooo many items (books etc.)... The Problem is not so much, that i can find items from other libraries, but that i can see how often which item has been borrowed etc.
Independent branches have no effect on superlibrarians. If you want to see the effect on staff client side, you need to take away the superlibrarian permission and use granular permission settings, that way you will only see patrons of your own library in a patron search etc. I don't know if that has an effect on bibliographic searches.
So i hoped, having one instance with a lot of branches on a "nice" server, is more suitable than having... let's say 20 Koha Instances on one Server or 20 VMs ;)
I'd assume the server that is able to run 20 small libraries in one instance will also run 20 seperate instances for these libraries. And it allows individual settings, too. You could set up a master instance with the basic settings and populate the other instances from that to avoid manually setting up 20 instances. HTH, Mirko -- Mirko Tietgen mirko@abunchofthings.net http://koha.abunchofthings.net http://meinkoha.de
Am 21.09.2015 um 14:46 schrieb Mirko Tietgen:
Hi Gregor,
Hi Mirko,
Am 21.09.2015 um 14:33 schrieb le-grex:
I'd assume the server that is able to run 20 small libraries in one instance will also run 20 seperate instances for these libraries. And it allows individual settings, too. You could set up a master instance with the basic settings and populate the other instances from that to avoid manually setting up 20 instances.
That's right for sure. But still, since the "amount" of books is "manageable", i prefer it the other way. Anyway, it seems that the bibliographic search is no longer a problem. But now i stumbled in another issue: Although independent branches is still activated (and was never changed since first activation), the members/staff are logged in to their own library, they now CAN change bibliographic data and change/add etc. items of the other libraries. I'm not sure if there is a hiccup in the database, because the VPS needed to get some hard-resets, because of freezes or i activated a switch, which i'am not able to recover. Anybody heard of this or has an idea?
HTH,
TXL!
Mirko
Gregor
Hi Gregor, did you check the staff's permissions? Editing other branches' items would be allowed for superlibrarians I think. Hope this helps, Katrin Am 25.09.2015 um 17:01 schrieb le-grex:
Am 21.09.2015 um 14:46 schrieb Mirko Tietgen:
Hi Gregor,
Hi Mirko,
Am 21.09.2015 um 14:33 schrieb le-grex:
I'd assume the server that is able to run 20 small libraries in one instance will also run 20 seperate instances for these libraries. And it allows individual settings, too. You could set up a master instance with the basic settings and populate the other instances from that to avoid manually setting up 20 instances.
That's right for sure. But still, since the "amount" of books is "manageable", i prefer it the other way.
Anyway, it seems that the bibliographic search is no longer a problem.
But now i stumbled in another issue: Although independent branches is still activated (and was never changed since first activation), the members/staff are logged in to their own library, they now CAN change bibliographic data and change/add etc. items of the other libraries.
I'm not sure if there is a hiccup in the database, because the VPS needed to get some hard-resets, because of freezes or i activated a switch, which i'am not able to recover.
Anybody heard of this or has an idea?
HTH,
TXL!
Mirko
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Am 28.09.2015 um 22:35 schrieb Katrin Fischer:
Hi Gregor,
Hi Katrin,
did you check the staff's permissions? Editing other branches' items would be allowed for superlibrarians I think.
yes i did. No one of the staff members has superlibrarian rights (exept for me as kind of admin). I tried creating a second instance, where i made the user category more accurate, like: 2 Libraries result in two Staff-Categories -> and 2 Staff users, each of them has another "home library". I still can edit items and bibliographic data of media another library-user added... The only effect of independent branches i see is that i can't search for users/patrons of another library as the one logged in to the staff interface.
Hope this helps,
Thank you!
Katrin
Gregor
Hi Gregor, I think Koha can not block libraries from editing each others bibliographic records, as the records don't belong to a library, but are shared. For the items - I think that should be working. There was a bug recently about the edit links next to the items not respecting the IndependentBranches system preference. Could that be what you see? Do you see edit links next to each item when you go to the "edit items" screen from the detail page's toolbar? Hope this helps, Katrin Am 30.09.2015 um 13:08 schrieb le-grex:
Am 28.09.2015 um 22:35 schrieb Katrin Fischer:
Hi Gregor,
Hi Katrin,
did you check the staff's permissions? Editing other branches' items would be allowed for superlibrarians I think.
yes i did. No one of the staff members has superlibrarian rights (exept for me as kind of admin). I tried creating a second instance, where i made the user category more accurate, like:
2 Libraries result in two Staff-Categories -> and 2 Staff users, each of them has another "home library". I still can edit items and bibliographic data of media another library-user added...
The only effect of independent branches i see is that i can't search for users/patrons of another library as the one logged in to the staff interface.
Hope this helps,
Thank you!
Katrin
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Am 02.10.2015 um 08:35 schrieb Katrin Fischer:
Hi Gregor,
Hi Katrin,
I think Koha can not block libraries from editing each others bibliographic records, as the records don't belong to a library, but are shared.
Mh, guess i got the whole independent Branches-Thing wrong.
For the items - I think that should be working. There was a bug recently about the edit links next to the items not respecting the IndependentBranches system preference. Could that be what you see?
Do you see edit links next to each item when you go to the "edit items" screen from the detail page's toolbar?
I'm not sure what you mean (especially where), so i made a screenshot of a detailed view of a book, that was addes by another branch/user. In my understanding the logged in user should not be able to edit the items, but the only thing greyed out is "Delete record" (Titel löschen). Hope i didn't get the translation wrong ;)
Hope this helps,
Katrin
Thank you a lot, Gregor
Am 30.09.2015 um 13:08 schrieb le-grex:
Am 28.09.2015 um 22:35 schrieb Katrin Fischer:
Hi Gregor,
Hi Katrin,
did you check the staff's permissions? Editing other branches' items would be allowed for superlibrarians I think.
yes i did. No one of the staff members has superlibrarian rights (exept for me as kind of admin). I tried creating a second instance, where i made the user category more accurate, like:
2 Libraries result in two Staff-Categories -> and 2 Staff users, each of them has another "home library". I still can edit items and bibliographic data of media another library-user added...
The only effect of independent branches i see is that i can't search for users/patrons of another library as the one logged in to the staff interface.
Hope this helps,
Thank you!
Katrin
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Hi Gregor, I think the link in the pull down always displays - the question would be, if you can actually edit the item on the page you reach from there, even if it's from another library. So the next step, would be to check and verify that. Hope this helps, Katrin Am 02.10.2015 um 15:50 schrieb le-grex:
Am 02.10.2015 um 08:35 schrieb Katrin Fischer:
Hi Gregor,
Hi Katrin,
I think Koha can not block libraries from editing each others bibliographic records, as the records don't belong to a library, but are shared.
Mh, guess i got the whole independent Branches-Thing wrong.
For the items - I think that should be working. There was a bug recently about the edit links next to the items not respecting the IndependentBranches system preference. Could that be what you see?
Do you see edit links next to each item when you go to the "edit items" screen from the detail page's toolbar?
I'm not sure what you mean (especially where), so i made a screenshot of a detailed view of a book, that was addes by another branch/user. In my understanding the logged in user should not be able to edit the items, but the only thing greyed out is "Delete record" (Titel löschen).
Hope i didn't get the translation wrong ;)
Hope this helps,
Katrin
Thank you a lot,
Gregor
Am 30.09.2015 um 13:08 schrieb le-grex:
Am 28.09.2015 um 22:35 schrieb Katrin Fischer:
Hi Gregor,
Hi Katrin,
did you check the staff's permissions? Editing other branches' items would be allowed for superlibrarians I think.
yes i did. No one of the staff members has superlibrarian rights (exept for me as kind of admin). I tried creating a second instance, where i made the user category more accurate, like:
2 Libraries result in two Staff-Categories -> and 2 Staff users, each of them has another "home library". I still can edit items and bibliographic data of media another library-user added...
The only effect of independent branches i see is that i can't search for users/patrons of another library as the one logged in to the staff interface.
Hope this helps,
Thank you!
Katrin
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Am 04.10.2015 um 15:08 schrieb Katrin Fischer:
Hi Gregor,
Hi Katrin,
I think the link in the pull down always displays - the question would be, if you can actually edit the item on the page you reach from there, even if it's from another library. So the next step, would be to check and verify that.
Sorry to make this not clear, i tried this and verified, that i can make changes and they get saved. Sorry for that.
Hope this helps,
Thank you,
Katrin
Gregor
Am 02.10.2015 um 15:50 schrieb le-grex:
Am 02.10.2015 um 08:35 schrieb Katrin Fischer:
Hi Gregor,
Hi Katrin,
I think Koha can not block libraries from editing each others bibliographic records, as the records don't belong to a library, but are shared.
Mh, guess i got the whole independent Branches-Thing wrong.
For the items - I think that should be working. There was a bug recently about the edit links next to the items not respecting the IndependentBranches system preference. Could that be what you see?
Do you see edit links next to each item when you go to the "edit items" screen from the detail page's toolbar?
I'm not sure what you mean (especially where), so i made a screenshot of a detailed view of a book, that was addes by another branch/user. In my understanding the logged in user should not be able to edit the items, but the only thing greyed out is "Delete record" (Titel löschen).
Hope i didn't get the translation wrong ;)
Hope this helps,
Katrin
Thank you a lot,
Gregor
Am 30.09.2015 um 13:08 schrieb le-grex:
Am 28.09.2015 um 22:35 schrieb Katrin Fischer:
Hi Gregor,
Hi Katrin,
did you check the staff's permissions? Editing other branches' items would be allowed for superlibrarians I think.
yes i did. No one of the staff members has superlibrarian rights (exept for me as kind of admin). I tried creating a second instance, where i made the user category more accurate, like:
2 Libraries result in two Staff-Categories -> and 2 Staff users, each of them has another "home library". I still can edit items and bibliographic data of media another library-user added...
The only effect of independent branches i see is that i can't search for users/patrons of another library as the one logged in to the staff interface.
Hope this helps,
Thank you!
Katrin
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Hi Gregor, sorry, but running out of ideas. :( It should not be possible to change another branch's items with IndependentBranches activated, unless you are superlibrarian. In my tests, it works nicely on current master. Maybe a last idea: Sometimes if you change the permissions, you need to log out/log in again to make them take effect. So maybe that could influence testing. Katrin Am 04.10.2015 um 17:57 schrieb le-grex:
Am 04.10.2015 um 15:08 schrieb Katrin Fischer:
Hi Gregor,
Hi Katrin,
I think the link in the pull down always displays - the question would be, if you can actually edit the item on the page you reach from there, even if it's from another library. So the next step, would be to check and verify that.
Sorry to make this not clear, i tried this and verified, that i can make changes and they get saved. Sorry for that.
Hope this helps,
Thank you,
Katrin
Gregor
Am 02.10.2015 um 15:50 schrieb le-grex:
Am 02.10.2015 um 08:35 schrieb Katrin Fischer:
Hi Gregor,
Hi Katrin,
I think Koha can not block libraries from editing each others bibliographic records, as the records don't belong to a library, but are shared.
Mh, guess i got the whole independent Branches-Thing wrong.
For the items - I think that should be working. There was a bug recently about the edit links next to the items not respecting the IndependentBranches system preference. Could that be what you see?
Do you see edit links next to each item when you go to the "edit items" screen from the detail page's toolbar?
I'm not sure what you mean (especially where), so i made a screenshot of a detailed view of a book, that was addes by another branch/user. In my understanding the logged in user should not be able to edit the items, but the only thing greyed out is "Delete record" (Titel löschen).
Hope i didn't get the translation wrong ;)
Hope this helps,
Katrin
Thank you a lot,
Gregor
Am 30.09.2015 um 13:08 schrieb le-grex:
Am 28.09.2015 um 22:35 schrieb Katrin Fischer:
Hi Gregor,
Hi Katrin,
did you check the staff's permissions? Editing other branches' items would be allowed for superlibrarians I think.
yes i did. No one of the staff members has superlibrarian rights (exept for me as kind of admin). I tried creating a second instance, where i made the user category more accurate, like:
2 Libraries result in two Staff-Categories -> and 2 Staff users, each of them has another "home library". I still can edit items and bibliographic data of media another library-user added...
The only effect of independent branches i see is that i can't search for users/patrons of another library as the one logged in to the staff interface.
Hope this helps,
Thank you!
Katrin
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Am 06.10.2015 um 08:17 schrieb Katrin Fischer:
Hi Gregor,
Hi Katrin,
sorry, but running out of ideas. :(
It should not be possible to change another branch's items with IndependentBranches activated, unless you are superlibrarian. In my tests, it works nicely on current master.
Mh, i tried it for now with 2 different instances, all the same result (Koha Stable via apt-get). I'll give it another try though.
Maybe a last idea: Sometimes if you change the permissions, you need to log out/log in again to make them take effect. So maybe that could influence testing.
Ya, maybe, but i constantly log out and in. But by the way, just to have this right: The "only" permission i should not give for users is 'superlibrarian', isn't it? All the rest should not influence "independent branches" functionality.
Katrin
Thank you, Gregor
Am 04.10.2015 um 17:57 schrieb le-grex:
Am 04.10.2015 um 15:08 schrieb Katrin Fischer:
Hi Gregor,
Hi Katrin,
I think the link in the pull down always displays - the question would be, if you can actually edit the item on the page you reach from there, even if it's from another library. So the next step, would be to check and verify that.
Sorry to make this not clear, i tried this and verified, that i can make changes and they get saved. Sorry for that.
Hope this helps,
Thank you,
Katrin
Gregor
Am 02.10.2015 um 15:50 schrieb le-grex:
Am 02.10.2015 um 08:35 schrieb Katrin Fischer:
Hi Gregor,
Hi Katrin,
I think Koha can not block libraries from editing each others bibliographic records, as the records don't belong to a library, but are shared.
Mh, guess i got the whole independent Branches-Thing wrong.
For the items - I think that should be working. There was a bug recently about the edit links next to the items not respecting the IndependentBranches system preference. Could that be what you see?
Do you see edit links next to each item when you go to the "edit items" screen from the detail page's toolbar?
I'm not sure what you mean (especially where), so i made a screenshot of a detailed view of a book, that was addes by another branch/user. In my understanding the logged in user should not be able to edit the items, but the only thing greyed out is "Delete record" (Titel löschen).
Hope i didn't get the translation wrong ;)
Hope this helps,
Katrin
Thank you a lot,
Gregor
Am 30.09.2015 um 13:08 schrieb le-grex:
Am 28.09.2015 um 22:35 schrieb Katrin Fischer: > Hi Gregor,
Hi Katrin, > > did you check the staff's permissions? Editing other branches' items > would be allowed for superlibrarians I think. >
yes i did. No one of the staff members has superlibrarian rights (exept for me as kind of admin). I tried creating a second instance, where i made the user category more accurate, like:
2 Libraries result in two Staff-Categories -> and 2 Staff users, each of them has another "home library". I still can edit items and bibliographic data of media another library-user added...
The only effect of independent branches i see is that i can't search for users/patrons of another library as the one logged in to the staff interface.
> Hope this helps,
Thank you!
> > Katrin >
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Hi Gregor, sorry, but I got no more ideas. As it works ok for me, I suspect the difference is somewhere in the configuration.
Ya, maybe, but i constantly log out and in. But by the way, just to have this right: The "only" permission i should not give for users is 'superlibrarian', isn't it? All the rest should not influence "independent branches" functionality.
As far as I know - that's correct. Katrin
Greetings, To follow up on Katrin's passing note, I believe the bug she was thinking about was: http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10276 This would improve things, I think, but I'm not sure it solves every problem. GPML, Mark Tompsett
For the items - I think that should be working. There was a bug >recently about the edit links next to the items not respecting the IndependentBranches system preference. Could that be what you see?
As we were talking about editing items, I was more thinking of http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14354 Am 10.10.2015 um 18:23 schrieb Mark Tompsett:
Greetings,
To follow up on Katrin's passing note, I believe the bug she was thinking about was: http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10276 This would improve things, I think, but I'm not sure it solves every problem.
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