Re: Re: [Koha] Re: Questions about Koha
Salvete! I would once again like to stress that Z39.50 is a nice place to visit, but I wouldn't want to live there. It's kind of like that old game show with the curtains. You really should look at the records you end up with, which to me means that you may as well find the one most suited to your needs by hand in the first place. Point number 2 - since you're automating a rather small collection, I would certainly recommend Koha. I've entered about 2600 bibliographic records and about 1900 patron records. Phew! I have about 7,000 bibliographic or so to go. I've been working at automating since about last February. Point number 3 - Library of Congress stinks for records for Kid's Stuff. I use Access Pennsylvania or Maine Infonet or in a real pinch Ohio Link. All of these can be found on the Free MARC page brought to you by SKCLS. http://skyways.lib.ks.us/sckls/sysserv/tutorials/marc/freemarc.html If you type "Free MARC" into google, that will get you there, too. The great thing about that page is that they give you instructions on how to get the records themselves. Watch for redundant tags with Access Pennsylvania. Doesn't happen often, but it does happen. It is really, really worth it. Oooooh so much better than cards. Brooke @ Hinsdale MA
The other problem with Z39.50 is that I know that some libraries consider it very poor form to do Z39.50 "record nabbing", since they may have had to pay for those MARC records from a source such as OCLC. I know that in the consortium to which our library belongs, the operational rules do specify that no member library will use Z39.50 to get catalog records without permission from the "target" library. -----Original Message----- From: koha-admin@lists.katipo.co.nz [mailto:koha-admin@lists.katipo.co.nz]On Behalf Of BWS Johnson Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 6:23 AM To: koha@lists.katipo.co.nz Subject: Re: Re: [Koha] Re: Questions about Koha Salvete! I would once again like to stress that Z39.50 is a nice place to visit, but I wouldn't want to live there. It's kind of like that old game show with the curtains. You really should look at the records you end up with, which to me means that you may as well find the one most suited to your needs by hand in the first place. Point number 2 - since you're automating a rather small collection, I would certainly recommend Koha. I've entered about 2600 bibliographic records and about 1900 patron records. Phew! I have about 7,000 bibliographic or so to go. I've been working at automating since about last February. Point number 3 - Library of Congress stinks for records for Kid's Stuff. I use Access Pennsylvania or Maine Infonet or in a real pinch Ohio Link. All of these can be found on the Free MARC page brought to you by SKCLS. http://skyways.lib.ks.us/sckls/sysserv/tutorials/marc/freemarc.html If you type "Free MARC" into google, that will get you there, too. The great thing about that page is that they give you instructions on how to get the records themselves. Watch for redundant tags with Access Pennsylvania. Doesn't happen often, but it does happen. It is really, really worth it. Oooooh so much better than cards. Brooke @ Hinsdale MA
OK, now Michael has gone and pushed one of my buttons! Brace yourselves for a rant! MARC records do not belong to OCLC. They are not copyrighted by OCLC. They are not the intellectual property of OCLC. Why? Because OCLC did not create them -- _librarians_ did! So they belong to librarians. OCLC's attempted restrictions on the use of MARC records are just a corporate bluff! Z39.50 is the library-world's early (and somewhat clunky) version of Napster-style file sharing. Until there's something better out there for us to share our cataloging work with one another, we should not be ashamed to use Z39.50. And we should never let some company dictate to us from their multi-story buildings in Dublin, Ohio what we can do with our MARC records. (Just for the record, I have some respected friends who work for OCLC, and the company does some good things. But fostering the mind-set that we can't share our work with one another is not one of them.) Stephen Michael Watson said:
The other problem with Z39.50 is that I know that some libraries consider it very poor form to do Z39.50 "record nabbing", since they may have had to pay for those MARC records from a source such as OCLC. I know that in the consortium to which our library belongs, the operational rules do specify that no member library will use Z39.50 to get catalog records without permission from the "target" library. -----Original Message----- From: koha-admin@lists.katipo.co.nz [mailto:koha-admin@lists.katipo.co.nz]On Behalf Of BWS Johnson Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 6:23 AM To: koha@lists.katipo.co.nz Subject: Re: Re: [Koha] Re: Questions about Koha
Salvete!
I would once again like to stress that Z39.50 is a nice place to visit, but I wouldn't want to live there. It's kind of like that old game show with the curtains. You really should look at the records you end up with, which to me means that you may as well find the one most suited to your needs by hand in the first place.
Point number 2 - since you're automating a rather small collection, I would certainly recommend Koha. I've entered about 2600 bibliographic records and about 1900 patron records. Phew! I have about 7,000 bibliographic or so to go. I've been working at automating since about last February.
Point number 3 - Library of Congress stinks for records for Kid's Stuff. I use Access Pennsylvania or Maine Infonet or in a real pinch Ohio Link. All of these can be found on the Free MARC page brought to you by SKCLS.
http://skyways.lib.ks.us/sckls/sysserv/tutorials/marc/freemarc.html
If you type "Free MARC" into google, that will get you there, too. The great thing about that page is that they give you instructions on how to get the records themselves.
Watch for redundant tags with Access Pennsylvania. Doesn't happen often, but it does happen.
It is really, really worth it. Oooooh so much better than cards.
Brooke @ Hinsdale MA
-- Stephen Hedges Skemotah Solutions, USA www.skemotah.com -- shedges@skemotah.com
I always figured that if a library didn't want others to snag their records they shouldn't be running a public Z39.50 server. Michael Watson wrote:
The other problem with Z39.50 is that I know that some libraries consider it very poor form to do Z39.50 "record nabbing", since they may have had to pay for those MARC records from a source such as OCLC. I know that in the consortium to which our library belongs, the operational rules do specify that no member library will use Z39.50 to get catalog records without permission from the "target" library.
-----Original Message----- *From:* koha-admin@lists.katipo.co.nz [mailto:koha-admin@lists.katipo.co.nz]*On Behalf Of *BWS Johnson *Sent:* Thursday, September 16, 2004 6:23 AM *To:* koha@lists.katipo.co.nz *Subject:* Re: Re: [Koha] Re: Questions about Koha
Salvete!
I would once again like to stress that Z39.50 is a nice place to visit, but I wouldn't want to live there. It's kind of like that old game show with the curtains. You really should look at the records you end up with, which to me means that you may as well find the one most suited to your needs by hand in the first place.
Point number 2 - since you're automating a rather small collection, I would certainly recommend Koha. I've entered about 2600 bibliographic records and about 1900 patron records. Phew! I have about 7,000 bibliographic or so to go. I've been working at automating since about last February.
Point number 3 - Library of Congress stinks for records for Kid's Stuff. I use Access Pennsylvania or Maine Infonet or in a real pinch Ohio Link. All of these can be found on the Free MARC page brought to you by SKCLS.
http://skyways.lib.ks.us/sckls/sysserv/tutorials/marc/freemarc.html
If you type "Free MARC" into google, that will get you there, too. The great thing about that page is that they give you instructions on how to get the records themselves.
Watch for redundant tags with Access Pennsylvania. Doesn't happen often, but it does happen.
It is really, really worth it. Oooooh so much better than cards.
Brooke @ Hinsdale MA
-- Tim McMahon Technical Services West Liberty Public Library http://www.wlpl.org
hai, i want to know if any freeware is available on net to use the Z39.50 server,i mean any address which i can use for this server,i am at very initial stage of the implementation ,so i need to learn the use of z39.50.Please tell me something about it. Kanwal Librarian,GNDEC On Fri, 17 Sep 2004, Tim McMahon - West Liberty Public Library wrote:
I always figured that if a library didn't want others to snag their records they shouldn't be running a public Z39.50 server.
Michael Watson wrote:
The other problem with Z39.50 is that I know that some libraries consider it very poor form to do Z39.50 "record nabbing", since they may have had to pay for those MARC records from a source such as OCLC. I know that in the consortium to which our library belongs, the operational rules do specify that no member library will use Z39.50 to get catalog records without permission from the "target" library.
-----Original Message----- *From:* koha-admin@lists.katipo.co.nz [mailto:koha-admin@lists.katipo.co.nz]*On Behalf Of *BWS Johnson *Sent:* Thursday, September 16, 2004 6:23 AM *To:* koha@lists.katipo.co.nz *Subject:* Re: Re: [Koha] Re: Questions about Koha
Salvete!
I would once again like to stress that Z39.50 is a nice place to visit, but I wouldn't want to live there. It's kind of like that old game show with the curtains. You really should look at the records you end up with, which to me means that you may as well find the one most suited to your needs by hand in the first place.
Point number 2 - since you're automating a rather small collection, I would certainly recommend Koha. I've entered about 2600 bibliographic records and about 1900 patron records. Phew! I have about 7,000 bibliographic or so to go. I've been working at automating since about last February.
Point number 3 - Library of Congress stinks for records for Kid's Stuff. I use Access Pennsylvania or Maine Infonet or in a real pinch Ohio Link. All of these can be found on the Free MARC page brought to you by SKCLS.
http://skyways.lib.ks.us/sckls/sysserv/tutorials/marc/freemarc.html
If you type "Free MARC" into google, that will get you there, too. The great thing about that page is that they give you instructions on how to get the records themselves.
Watch for redundant tags with Access Pennsylvania. Doesn't happen often, but it does happen.
It is really, really worth it. Oooooh so much better than cards.
Brooke @ Hinsdale MA
-- O/Ic Library Guru Nanak Dev Engineering College Ludhiana (Punjab) India
The best site (that I know of) for Z39.50 software is Index Data: http://www.indexdata.com/ Library said:
hai, i want to know if any freeware is available on net to use the Z39.50 server,i mean any address which i can use for this server,i am at very initial stage of the implementation ,so i need to learn the use of z39.50.Please tell me something about it.
Kanwal Librarian,GNDEC
-- Stephen Hedges Skemotah Solutions, USA www.skemotah.com -- shedges@skemotah.com
hai, i try it ,but its not working ,i am here forwarding the copy of the settings to you ,please chech it if there is any problem in how to set the Z39.50 server: Site Hostname Port Database checked Rank WWW.INDEXDATA.COM 213.150.43.11 80 www.indexindia.com 1 1 is it correct Kanwaljit On Sat, 18 Sep 2004, Stephen Hedges wrote:
The best site (that I know of) for Z39.50 software is Index Data: http://www.indexdata.com/
Library said:
hai, i want to know if any freeware is available on net to use the Z39.50 server,i mean any address which i can use for this server,i am at very initial stage of the implementation ,so i need to learn the use of z39.50.Please tell me something about it.
Kanwal Librarian,GNDEC
-- O/Ic Library Guru Nanak Dev Engineering College Ludhiana (Punjab) India
On Tue 21 Sep, Library wrote:
i try it ,but its not working ,i am here forwarding the copy of the settings to you ,please chech it if there is any problem in how to set the Z39.50 server: Site Hostname Port Database checked Rank
WWW.INDEXDATA.COM 213.150.43.11 80 www.indexindia.com 1 1
is it correct
I think that you may have been talking at cross-purposes. The Koha Intranet parameters page refers to "Z39.50 Servers" but it means remote servers which you want to query. I think that the servers that Stephen Hedges was referring to are those which you would instal on your own site. The "Z39.50 ervers Admin" page on my Koha installation contains entries such as (unformatted): Hostname Port Database Userid Password Checked Rank Syntax LibraryOfCongress z3950.loc.gov 7090 voyager 1 1 MARC21 SCHOOL OF ADVANCED STUDIES library.sas.ac.uk 210 INNOPAC 1 2 MARC21 LONDON SCHOOL OF ECONOMICS catalogue.lse.ac.uk 2200 UNICORN 1 3 MARC21 OPEN UNIVERSITY library2.open.ac.uk 7090 VOYAGER 1 4 MARC21 You will find a list of targets at eg http://www.indexdata.dk/targettest/ and http://www.ukoln.ac.uk/distributed-systems/zdir/ . Some you will find just don't work, but others do. Roger -- Roger Horne 11 New Square, Lincoln's Inn, London WC2A 3QB, UK roger@hrothgar.co.uk http://www.hrothgar.co.uk/
One of the discussions on yesterday's irc meeting involved the (lack of) Koha documentation. I agreed to start a discussion of what is needed, who should contribute, what format(s) will be used, etc. I'd like to start the discussion by proposing that there are really four different types of documentation that need to be produced: 1. Documentation for OPAC users. This would have to be provided as online help, since OPAC users are not going to have access to any other type of documentation. 2. Documentation for systems administrators. This would encompass installing Koha and setting the parameters, as well as maintaining the system. This documentation could (should?) be in several formats. 3. Documentation for librarians (staff). While much of the Koha intranet tasks will be familiar to many librarians, librarians who have never used an automated system before will need help. Again, this should probably be available in multiple formats. 4. Documentation for developers. For those who want to join the development effort, we need database schema, good perldocs in the code, etc. Anything else I've forgotten? Any comments? I'd also like to start emphasizing that _everyone_ on this list can help. I'm particularly interested in hearing from those of you who feel you have no clue as to how Koha works. I'd like to start collecting a list of questions that we need to address, and that includes even the simplest questions. There's no such thing as a "dumb" question. If you have a question about Koha, chances are good that many other people have the same question, and the documentation will need to have a clear answer for that question. So send 'em in. (If you're shy, send directly to me -- shedges@skemotah.com -- but usually it's better to send to the list, because your question might remind people of other questions.) -- Stephen Hedges Skemotah Solutions, USA www.skemotah.com -- shedges@skemotah.com
On 2004-09-21 17:51:34 +0100 Stephen Hedges <shedges@skemotah.com> wrote:
1. Documentation for OPAC users. This would have to be provided as online help, since OPAC users are not going to have access to any other type of documentation.
I suspect there's scope for a poster/leaflet introduction and summary too.
Anything else I've forgotten? Any comments?
So far, so good. Thanks for taking this on.
Hi Kanwal, I'm not sure exactly what you mean: do you need help implementing a Z39.50 server so that you can share your bibliographic data with others via Z39.50? Or are you trying to download records from other Z39.50 servers to avoid having to completely build your own MARC records? So the Z39.50 Server for Koha is in koha/z3950/server/zed-koha-server.pl. If you need help tweaking it for your system I can help (I wrote it). If you need help downloading records from _other_ Z3950 servers (i.e., you need to find addresses to use for Koha's Z39.50 client), here is the best list I know of: http://www.indexdata.dk/targettest/ (BTW: Indexdata designed SimpleServer which is the Perl module that Koha's Z39.50 server is built with, which is built with Yaz which is the Perl module that Koha's Z39.50 cleint is built with.) ;-) If you want to delve into the world of Z39.50 pretty much everything you need is linked to from LOC's Z39.50 gateway: http://www.loc.gov/z3950/gateway.html Good luck ... and don't hesitate to ask more questions. Joshua On Sat, Sep 18, 2004 at 05:12:46PM +0530, Library wrote:
hai, i want to know if any freeware is available on net to use the Z39.50 server,i mean any address which i can use for this server,i am at very initial stage of the implementation ,so i need to learn the use of z39.50.Please tell me something about it.
Kanwal Librarian,GNDEC
On Fri, 17 Sep 2004, Tim McMahon - West Liberty Public Library wrote:
I always figured that if a library didn't want others to snag their records they shouldn't be running a public Z39.50 server.
Michael Watson wrote:
The other problem with Z39.50 is that I know that some libraries consider it very poor form to do Z39.50 "record nabbing", since they may have had to pay for those MARC records from a source such as OCLC. I know that in the consortium to which our library belongs, the operational rules do specify that no member library will use Z39.50 to get catalog records without permission from the "target" library.
-----Original Message----- *From:* koha-admin@lists.katipo.co.nz [mailto:koha-admin@lists.katipo.co.nz]*On Behalf Of *BWS Johnson *Sent:* Thursday, September 16, 2004 6:23 AM *To:* koha@lists.katipo.co.nz *Subject:* Re: Re: [Koha] Re: Questions about Koha
Salvete!
I would once again like to stress that Z39.50 is a nice place to visit, but I wouldn't want to live there. It's kind of like that old game show with the curtains. You really should look at the records you end up with, which to me means that you may as well find the one most suited to your needs by hand in the first place.
Point number 2 - since you're automating a rather small collection, I would certainly recommend Koha. I've entered about 2600 bibliographic records and about 1900 patron records. Phew! I have about 7,000 bibliographic or so to go. I've been working at automating since about last February.
Point number 3 - Library of Congress stinks for records for Kid's Stuff. I use Access Pennsylvania or Maine Infonet or in a real pinch Ohio Link. All of these can be found on the Free MARC page brought to you by SKCLS.
http://skyways.lib.ks.us/sckls/sysserv/tutorials/marc/freemarc.html
If you type "Free MARC" into google, that will get you there, too. The great thing about that page is that they give you instructions on how to get the records themselves.
Watch for redundant tags with Access Pennsylvania. Doesn't happen often, but it does happen.
It is really, really worth it. Oooooh so much better than cards.
Brooke @ Hinsdale MA
-- O/Ic Library Guru Nanak Dev Engineering College Ludhiana (Punjab) India
_______________________________________________ Koha mailing list Koha@lists.katipo.co.nz http://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha
hi, i just want to operate it on experimental basis,i want to search the catalogue of other host through koha. Kanwal On Sat, 18 Sep 2004, Joshua Ferraro wrote:
Hi Kanwal,
I'm not sure exactly what you mean: do you need help implementing a Z39.50 server so that you can share your bibliographic data with others via Z39.50? Or are you trying to download records from other Z39.50 servers to avoid having to completely build your own MARC records?
So the Z39.50 Server for Koha is in koha/z3950/server/zed-koha-server.pl. If you need help tweaking it for your system I can help (I wrote it).
If you need help downloading records from _other_ Z3950 servers (i.e., you need to find addresses to use for Koha's Z39.50 client), here is the best list I know of:
http://www.indexdata.dk/targettest/
(BTW: Indexdata designed SimpleServer which is the Perl module that Koha's Z39.50 server is built with, which is built with Yaz which is the Perl module that Koha's Z39.50 cleint is built with.) ;-)
If you want to delve into the world of Z39.50 pretty much everything you need is linked to from LOC's Z39.50 gateway:
http://www.loc.gov/z3950/gateway.html
Good luck ... and don't hesitate to ask more questions.
Joshua
On Sat, Sep 18, 2004 at 05:12:46PM +0530, Library wrote:
hai, i want to know if any freeware is available on net to use the Z39.50 server,i mean any address which i can use for this server,i am at very initial stage of the implementation ,so i need to learn the use of z39.50.Please tell me something about it.
Kanwal Librarian,GNDEC
On Fri, 17 Sep 2004, Tim McMahon - West Liberty Public Library wrote:
I always figured that if a library didn't want others to snag their records they shouldn't be running a public Z39.50 server.
Michael Watson wrote:
The other problem with Z39.50 is that I know that some libraries consider it very poor form to do Z39.50 "record nabbing", since they may have had to pay for those MARC records from a source such as OCLC. I know that in the consortium to which our library belongs, the operational rules do specify that no member library will use Z39.50 to get catalog records without permission from the "target" library.
-----Original Message----- *From:* koha-admin@lists.katipo.co.nz [mailto:koha-admin@lists.katipo.co.nz]*On Behalf Of *BWS Johnson *Sent:* Thursday, September 16, 2004 6:23 AM *To:* koha@lists.katipo.co.nz *Subject:* Re: Re: [Koha] Re: Questions about Koha
Salvete!
I would once again like to stress that Z39.50 is a nice place to visit, but I wouldn't want to live there. It's kind of like that old game show with the curtains. You really should look at the records you end up with, which to me means that you may as well find the one most suited to your needs by hand in the first place.
Point number 2 - since you're automating a rather small collection, I would certainly recommend Koha. I've entered about 2600 bibliographic records and about 1900 patron records. Phew! I have about 7,000 bibliographic or so to go. I've been working at automating since about last February.
Point number 3 - Library of Congress stinks for records for Kid's Stuff. I use Access Pennsylvania or Maine Infonet or in a real pinch Ohio Link. All of these can be found on the Free MARC page brought to you by SKCLS.
http://skyways.lib.ks.us/sckls/sysserv/tutorials/marc/freemarc.html
If you type "Free MARC" into google, that will get you there, too. The great thing about that page is that they give you instructions on how to get the records themselves.
Watch for redundant tags with Access Pennsylvania. Doesn't happen often, but it does happen.
It is really, really worth it. Oooooh so much better than cards.
Brooke @ Hinsdale MA
-- O/Ic Library Guru Nanak Dev Engineering College Ludhiana (Punjab) India
_______________________________________________ Koha mailing list Koha@lists.katipo.co.nz http://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha
-- O/Ic Library Guru Nanak Dev Engineering College Ludhiana (Punjab) India
participants (9)
-
BWS Johnson -
Joshua Ferraro -
Joshua Ferraro -
Library -
Michael Watson -
MJ Ray -
Roger Horne -
Stephen Hedges -
Tim McMahon - West Liberty Public Library