KUDOS - ALA—Boston Public Library at 3 PM on Saturday, January 16. Proposed Agenda
Vicki is going to bring a few paper copies as well. Please read through the bylaws as they have been posted for quite some time found at: http://kudos.koha.org/?s=bylaws - The Mission and Section 5 membership are changing, but those are included in this email. ALA—Boston Public Library at 3 PM on Saturday, January 16. Proposed Agenda 1. Welcome 2. Introduction of officers 3. General information sharing (need to have time limit) 4. How we got here/history presentation 5. Report on minutes from today’s meeting 6. Present Bylaws (Mission statement, membership categories and dues structure) - should a vendor employee be allowed to be an officer of the organization? 7. Approval of bylaws - for you to read through - I am working to get the modification added 8. Status of 501 c3 filing with IRS 9. Discussion of membership services (what do they want?) 10. Virtual conference program suggestions 11. Future meetings · Mission: The purposes of the Corporation are educational, literary, and scientific, specifically: to promote the study, improvement and support of the Koha Integrated Library System for the benefit of North American libraries and to foster cooperation with the global Koha community. o Library/Consortia based on a single installation of Koha. Dues and number of votes will be based on number of bibliographic records, TBD (suggestion is to start at $5/50,000 bibs/1 vote and go up from there with a cap) Standard, voting membership:(sorry these may not line up right via the email.) Number of Biblios Annual cost Votes 1 - 49,999 $5 1 50,000 - 99,999 $10 2 100,000-149,999 $15 3 150,000-199,999 $20 4 200,000-249,999 $25 5 250,000-299,999 $30 6 300,000-349,999 $35 7 350,000-399,999 $40 8 400,000-449,999 $45 9 450,000-499,999 $50 10 500,000 - 549,999 $55 11 550,000 - 599,999 $60 12 600,000 - 649,999 $65 13 650,000 - 699,999 $70 14 700,000 - 749,999 $75 15 750,000 - 799,999 $80 16 800,000 - 849,999 $85 17 850,000 - 899,999 $90 18 900,000- $100 19 o Membership should be for installations of Koha in North America o Membership benefits: vote on administrative budget, vote to appoint members to board, vote to appoint members to development committee, annual meeting, newsletter and website access to shared member services o A non-voting membership will be available with access to same resources, but no voting rights. This will typically be for vendors supporting Koha. Dues will be based on the highest dues assigned a Library/Consortia member. Non-voting membership Member Type Annual cost Individual Developer $10 Small company (2-4 developers) $30 Large company (5+ developers) $50 David Schuster -- View this message in context: http://old.nabble.com/KUDOS---ALA%E2%80%94Boston-Public-Library-at-3-PM-on-S... Sent from the Koha - Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
David Schuster <dschust1@tx.rr.com>
Vicki is going to bring a few paper copies as well. Please read through the bylaws as they have been posted for quite some time found at: http://kudos.koha.org/?s=bylaws - The Mission and Section 5 membership are changing, but those are included in this email.
Where they have been posted for quite some time, but protected by an eyetest to stop the likes of me commenting. :-/ [...]
o Membership should be for installations of Koha in North America
So KUDOS will mean "Koha Users but not Developers Of Software"? That's disappointingly divisive. On the web page: SECTION 5.2 Qualifications. For Voting Membership: any North American library currently using or implementing the Koha ILS as its primary circulation program and or catalog. For Non-voting Membership: any individual or for-profit company that develops or supports the Koha ILS A tech worker co-op is not a library, not an individual and not a for-profit company. Can't it join at all? I feel it would be better if KUDOS was a multistakeholder cooperative but I don't know if Pennsylvania has such things. Confused and disappointed, -- MJ Ray (slef) Webmaster and LMS developer at | software www.software.coop http://mjr.towers.org.uk | .... co IMO only: see http://mjr.towers.org.uk/email.html | .... op
Yes, indeed... Sometimes "users" and "developers" are at opposite poles... I think this is more about giving the "users" more of a voice than they've traditionally had in the past, no? But, I don't think this is to the exclusion of the developers...imo. Scott Kushner Information Technologies Middletown Public Library -----Original Message----- From: koha-bounces@lists.katipo.co.nz [mailto:koha-bounces@lists.katipo.co.nz] On Behalf Of MJ Ray Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 9:07 PM To: David Schuster Cc: koha@lists.katipo.co.nz Subject: Re: [Koha] KUDOS - ALA—Boston Public Library at 3 PM on Saturday, January 16. Proposed Agenda David Schuster <dschust1@tx.rr.com>
Vicki is going to bring a few paper copies as well. Please read through the bylaws as they have been posted for quite some time found at: http://kudos.koha.org/?s=bylaws - The Mission and Section 5 membership are changing, but those are included in this email.
Where they have been posted for quite some time, but protected by an eyetest to stop the likes of me commenting. :-/ [...]
o Membership should be for installations of Koha in North America
So KUDOS will mean "Koha Users but not Developers Of Software"? That's disappointingly divisive. On the web page: SECTION 5.2 Qualifications. For Voting Membership: any North American library currently using or implementing the Koha ILS as its primary circulation program and or catalog. For Non-voting Membership: any individual or for-profit company that develops or supports the Koha ILS A tech worker co-op is not a library, not an individual and not a for-profit company. Can't it join at all? I feel it would be better if KUDOS was a multistakeholder cooperative but I don't know if Pennsylvania has such things. Confused and disappointed, -- MJ Ray (slef) Webmaster and LMS developer at | software www.software.coop http://mjr.towers.org.uk | .... co IMO only: see http://mjr.towers.org.uk/email.html | .... op _______________________________________________ Koha mailing list Koha@lists.katipo.co.nz http://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha
"Scott Kushner" <skushner@mtpl.org> wrote:
Yes, indeed...
Sometimes "users" and "developers" are at opposite poles...
In the old proprietary software barons marketplace, perhaps. We should do better. Another world is possible!
I think this is more about giving the "users" more of a voice than they've traditionally had in the past, no?
Koha was initiated by users, all the work is paid for by users, the users are in control. So I feel that the silence of some users is of their own choosing (and that frustrates some of us) - I rejoice that there are some outspoken users in the Koha community. I think it's particularly brilliant that some more users/purchasers seem to be developing into developers, both personally and organisationally.
But, I don't think this is to the exclusion of the developers...imo.
As written, it was clearly excluding developers from decision-making. I really hope that users and developers can work in partnership. But I'm told KUDOS didn't unfold quite like that, so I wait to see what the people who were there report. Best wishes, -- MJ Ray (slef) Webmaster and LMS developer at | software www.software.coop http://mjr.towers.org.uk | .... co IMO only: see http://mjr.towers.org.uk/email.html | .... op
Salvete!
Standard, voting membership:(sorry these may not line up right via the email.)
Number of Biblios Annual cost Votes 1 - 49,999 $5 1 50,000 - 99,999 $10 2 100,000-149,999 $15 3 150,000-199,999 $20 4 200,000-249,999 $25 5 250,000-299,999 $30 6 300,000-349,999 $35 7 350,000-399,999 $40 8 400,000-449,999 $45 9 450,000-499,999 $50 10 500,000 - 549,999 $55 11 550,000 - 599,999 $60 12 600,000 - 649,999 $65 13 650,000 - 699,999 $70 14 700,000 - 749,999 $75 15 750,000 - 799,999 $80 16 800,000 - 849,999 $85 17 850,000 - 899,999 $90 18 900,000- $100 19
Is a plutocracy based on Library size really the way to go on an Open Source project? While it's nice to implement a sliding cost scale so that small Libraries can afford a membership (which should probably be free with a suggested donation for all Libraries) I can't see a rationale behind a Library 18 times as large as the smallest bracket getting 19 votes for a payment that is 20 times more costly. About 3/4s of the US Libraries are small rural Libraries, and again about 3/4s of those have collections of about 10,000, depending on where you get your statistics. Cheers, Brooke
I know it's too late since this meeting was held already, but I'm with Brooke & MJ on this - seems like things are being run a bit too much like a proprietary users group - which is what we all know and are comfortable with - but which is not how an open source project works. Also - the name should be KUG (Koha Users Group) if it's going to just be a users group and not include developers - which is also silly because many developers are actually users as well ... sorry - I'm going around in circles because that's kind of how I feel when reading through all of this. I hope to see that some clarity came out of the meeting. Nicole On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 8:19 AM, M. Brooke Helman <abesottedphoenix@yahoo.com> wrote:
Salvete!
Standard, voting membership:(sorry these may not line up right via the email.)
Number of Biblios Annual cost Votes 1 - 49,999 $5 1 50,000 - 99,999 $10 2 100,000-149,999 $15 3 150,000-199,999 $20 4 200,000-249,999 $25 5 250,000-299,999 $30 6 300,000-349,999 $35 7 350,000-399,999 $40 8 400,000-449,999 $45 9 450,000-499,999 $50 10 500,000 - 549,999 $55 11 550,000 - 599,999 $60 12 600,000 - 649,999 $65 13 650,000 - 699,999 $70 14 700,000 - 749,999 $75 15 750,000 - 799,999 $80 16 800,000 - 849,999 $85 17 850,000 - 899,999 $90 18 900,000- $100 19
Is a plutocracy based on Library size really the way to go on an Open Source project? While it's nice to implement a sliding cost scale so that small Libraries can afford a membership (which should probably be free with a suggested donation for all Libraries) I can't see a rationale behind a Library 18 times as large as the smallest bracket getting 19 votes for a payment that is 20 times more costly. About 3/4s of the US Libraries are small rural Libraries, and again about 3/4s of those have collections of about 10,000, depending on where you get your statistics.
Cheers, Brooke
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The membership definition got re-worked at the meeting. The dues structure is also being revised. The board if directors is in the process of reviewing the minutes. On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 7:30 AM, Nicole Engard <nengard@gmail.com> wrote:
I know it's too late since this meeting was held already, but I'm with Brooke & MJ on this - seems like things are being run a bit too much like a proprietary users group - which is what we all know and are comfortable with - but which is not how an open source project works. Also - the name should be KUG (Koha Users Group) if it's going to just be a users group and not include developers - which is also silly because many developers are actually users as well ... sorry - I'm going around in circles because that's kind of how I feel when reading through all of this.
I hope to see that some clarity came out of the meeting.
Nicole
Salvete!
Standard, voting membership:(sorry these may not line up right via the email.)
Number of Biblios Annual cost Votes 1 - 49,999 $5 1 50,000 - 99,999 $10 2 100,000-149,999 $15 3 150,000-199,999 $20 4 200,000-249,999 $25 5 250,000-299,999 $30 6 300,000-349,999 $35 7 350,000-399,999 $40 8 400,000-449,999 $45 9 450,000-499,999 $50 10 500,000 - 549,999 $55 11 550,000 - 599,999 $60 12 600,000 - 649,999 $65 13 650,000 - 699,999 $70 14 700,000 - 749,999 $75 15 750,000 - 799,999 $80 16 800,000 - 849,999 $85 17 850,000 - 899,999 $90 18 900,000- $100 19
Is a plutocracy based on Library size really the way to go on an Open Source project? While it's nice to implement a sliding cost scale so
On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 8:19 AM, M. Brooke Helman <abesottedphoenix@yahoo.com> wrote: that small Libraries can afford a membership (which should probably be free with a suggested donation for all Libraries) I can't see a rationale behind a Library 18 times as large as the smallest bracket getting 19 votes for a payment that is 20 times more costly. About 3/4s of the US Libraries are small rural Libraries, and again about 3/4s of those have collections of about 10,000, depending on where you get your statistics.
Cheers, Brooke
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Salvete!
The membership definition got re-worked at the meeting. The dues structure is also being revised. The board if directors is in the process of reviewing the minutes.
Well that's a good thing. I agree heavily with Owen. Think about your Library volunteers, or if you're a clever administrator, your employees. People might start out loving your Library, but they aren't going to give the shirt off of their back or the sweat off of their brow for you the second they move to your town. (Unless of course they've been heavily brainwashed by the previous duhrector ;) ) Yes, at a certain point, money factors into things. That's why I'm proud there's a big ole IMLS grant out there, and a hearty thanks to the folks that authored it. We already do a pretty darn good job of pulling resources under the aegis of consortia. We need to figure out how to blend that model, a user's group model, and a development style model. I'm not advocating for reinventing the wheel, I'm advocating for the reinvention of a Pirelli slick for our kick butt product. I have no worries about what we come up with meeting IRS guidelines. I've asked after planning before, please read back into the listserv (Try a search for Office of the Head Bullshitter). I also offered to help with bylaw creation at KohaCon and was never approached to call that in. We need a Mission and Vision that represents us all, so that it's easier to have a product that reflects us all. Bottom line, if we wanted SIRSI, or any other commercial product, we'd be running that. So it's my heavy caution to not ape their customs. Our developers do what we want as users quite often for free, or for the standard rural Library rate of thanks + baked goods :D Frankly, they won't do frivolous things, and I think that's usually a good thing. And at risk of sounding like a broken record, fun is a very important factor in open source. Fun is not in contra to productivity. Cheers, Brooke
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