Kia Ora everyone, We had a good IRC meeting yesterday, it was great to see so many people, and it was hard to get back to work afterwards :-) A few decisions and resoloutions were made... Firstly a huge thank you to Pat Eyler who has done such a lot for the project over the last couple of years as our first Kaitiaki! Pat is still keen to be involved with the project, but doesn't quite have the time right now, so I've stepped in as the new Kaitiaki. I'm really excited about Koha at the moment, with bug fixes in 2.0 (thanks Slef), and a new snapshot from Paul for 2.1 things are really moving at the moment. Slef/MJR has agreed to keep supporting 2.0 until at least 2.2 has gone stable. Thank you :-) Paul Poulain is the current 2.2 Release Manager and when 2.2 becomes stable he will continue to be the 2.2 Release Maintainer which is going to be great continuity. Paul hopes to have a release candidate ready within a month or so, assuming all goes well with the last few bugs, and testing. Emiliano has been coaxed into being the 2.4 Release Manager with support from Paul and I'm sure all the rest of us too, so thanks Emiliano, we look forward to your leadership. His first task is to get a roadmap started - so feel free to start putting your thoughts forward. We are hoping that 2.4 will have code from a few differnt coders, so if you've got an itch you want to scratch see if you can get it into 2.4. Stephen Hedges has already started in his role as Documentation Tyrant - we thought we needed a librarians perspective to make sure we actually get the documentation they need. Nick is I hope continuing with his able work actually *writing* documentation without which we are all sunk :-) This tends to incorporate organising/linking in translations as well I think. Russel Garlick is going to be testing and QA'ing the 2.2 release - although I'm sure we're going to need a small army doing that really. Mike Mylonas and Rachel Priebee (not at the meeting) have volunteered to work on the website side of things - I'm hoping Mike will sort out what it should say and find all the "stuff" and Rachel will be happy to actually do the coding. Chris Cormack is still the man in charge of version 1.x, and he is hoping to get his hands into Koha again in the next year I know. IF you missed the meeting and would like to read it then the Log is available at http://koha.org/irc Click on Koha Organizational Meeting 2004-09-21 Thanks everyone Ka kite Ano Rachel Koha Kaitiaki -- _____________________________________________________________ Rachel Hamilton-Williams Katipo Communications MANAGING DIRECTOR Ph 021 389 128 or +64 04 934 1285 mailto:rachel@katipo.co.nz PO Box 12487, Wellington http://www.katipo.co.nz New Zealand Koha Open Source Library System http://www.koha.org
On 2004-09-22 04:51:51 +0100 Rachel Hamilton-Williams <rachel@katipo.co.nz> wrote:
Mike Mylonas and Rachel Priebee (not at the meeting) have volunteered to work on the website side of things - I'm hoping Mike will sort out what it should say and find all the "stuff" and Rachel will be happy to actually do the coding.
I hear that Mike is taking the www.koha.org bugs over, which should give more than enough to do for now. (Actually, I thought this was done, but bugs 296, 620 and 802 are still assigned to Chris.) Looking to the longer term, can we hear about plans, please? Three things I want to throw in: 1. I refer people to my Koha England site http://www.ttllp.co.uk/koha/ which is faster for most people in the UK and links to koha.org (although koha.org doesn't link to me). 2. As an experiment, I started a koha webring from http://mjr.towers.org.uk/rings/koha-people.html but it's not really taken off (more sites and requests for use welcome). 3. I'm happy to create a "Planet Koha" with the tools of http://www.otherwayup.org.uk/planets/alug/ if there are many koha sites publishing news in RSS 1.0 -- MJR/slef My Opinion Only and not of any group I know Creative copyleft computing - http://www.ttllp.co.uk/ http://www.thewalks.co.uk stand 13,Lynn Carnival,12 Sep
MJ Ray wrote:
3. I'm happy to create a "Planet Koha" with the tools of http://www.otherwayup.org.uk/planets/alug/ if there are many koha sites publishing news in RSS 1.0
Just a quick status report on the RSS status for http://www.koha.org/wiki/ (Tavi Wiki) I have had some discussion with Tavi developes and will have a look at solving some wiki RSS at first opportunity (I have had zero free time in last two weeks). Some known problems: Things missing from the wiki RSS feed include: insufficient information about the diff or possibility of obtaining information about both the diff and/or the complete new/updated document. Many users type nothing into the description of the change yjey have made, so the RSS feed provides very little info. There's a call to htmlspecialchars() missing somewhere in the current wiki source that is breaking the feed... Feedback welcome :) R.
On 2004-09-22 09:38:24 +0100 Roger BUCK <rog@saas.nsw.edu.au> wrote:
There's a call to htmlspecialchars() missing somewhere in the current wiki source that is breaking the feed...
This one is the killer problem to me. I have stopped reading the wiki RSS because it doesn't display for days on end. -- MJR/slef My Opinion Only and not of any group I know Creative copyleft computing - http://www.ttllp.co.uk/ LinuxExpo.org.uk village 6+7 Oct http://www.affs.org.uk
On Wed, 2004-09-22 at 20:00, MJ Ray wrote:
I hear that Mike is taking the www.koha.org bugs over, which should give more than enough to do for now. (Actually, I thought this was done, but bugs 296, 620 and 802 are still assigned to Chris.)
Thanks for pointing this issue out, for clarity, I have now reassigned these issues to myself.
Looking to the longer term, can we hear about plans, please? Three things I want to throw in: 1. I refer people to my Koha England site http://www.ttllp.co.uk/koha/ which is faster for most people in the UK and links to koha.org (although koha.org doesn't link to me). 2. As an experiment, I started a koha webring from http://mjr.towers.org.uk/rings/koha-people.html but it's not really taken off (more sites and requests for use welcome). 3. I'm happy to create a "Planet Koha" with the tools of http://www.otherwayup.org.uk/planets/alug/ if there are many koha sites publishing news in RSS 1.0
(Please note these are my own opinions and at this point haven't had a chance to converse with Rachel Priebee on a firm outline yet) My initial thoughts at the moment is to basically catalogue what data we already have on the www.koha.org site, as well as other documents and sites spread around the greater WWW. Then we will draft up a Site Plan.. outlining where to from here. I have added your comments regarding the web-ring and "Planet Koha" to the list. (Thanks for the suggestions) My primary goal is to see the www.koha.org site become the pre-eminant site for all Koha related information. There is a lot of good information spread around the internet (with sites like your own), and it will be great if we can centrally collate/organise the majority of this information. Cheers Mike
On 2004-09-22 13:39:41 +0100 Mike Mylonas <mike@dragon-is.co.nz> wrote:
My primary goal is to see the www.koha.org site become the pre-eminant site for all Koha related information.
Please reconsider. I think this aim puts www.koha.org in conflict with almost all the other Koha sites. Many of them are trying to be the best site for their chosen type of information about Koha.
There is a lot of good information spread around the internet (with sites like your own), and it will be great if we can centrally collate/organise the majority of this information.
Great indeed, but remember: "I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or numbered!" My site is my own. Basically, I'll share with you if you share with me. At the moment, things like the koha logo are restricted use and most of the koha site is the default copyright (all rights reserved), as far as I can tell. That's very annoying when making publicity materials at short notice and part of the motive for my Koha England microsite: anyone can use its text, although I like being credited. Another motive is to help other turuloj follow what's happening with http://www.ttllp.co.uk/koha/#devel -- MJR/slef My Opinion Only and not of any group I know Creative copyleft computing - http://www.ttllp.co.uk/ LinuxExpo.org.uk village 6+7 Oct http://www.affs.org.uk
On Fri, 2004-09-24 at 12:31, MJ Ray wrote:
On 2004-09-22 13:39:41 +0100 Mike Mylonas <mike@dragon-is.co.nz> wrote:
My primary goal is to see the www.koha.org site become the pre-eminant site for all Koha related information.
Please reconsider. I think this aim puts www.koha.org in conflict with almost all the other Koha sites. Many of them are trying to be the best site for their chosen type of information about Koha.
Maybe I am suffering to a lack of sleep, but I am not quite sure of this comment ... I would have thought that the www.koha.org site, would be in most cases the first port of call for someone looking for information on Koha. I am certainly not trying to compete with the more specialist Koha related sites.
There is a lot of good information spread around the internet (with sites like your own), and it will be great if we can centrally collate/organise the majority of this information.
Great indeed, but remember: "I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or numbered!" My site is my own.
That individualism is what make Koha (and most Open Source Software) special and I am certainly not wanting to dictate to anyone what they do with their own site. Maybe my use of "centrally collate/organise" was an incorrect term .. I was just trying to avoid the use of the word catalogue.
Basically, I'll share with you if you share with me. At the moment, things like the koha logo are restricted use and most of the koha site is the default copyright (all rights reserved), as far as I can tell. That's very annoying when making publicity materials at short notice and part of the motive for my Koha England microsite: anyone can use its text, although I like being credited.
I won't comment on the copyright of the text on the current Koha site, as I feel that maybe Rachel is in the best position to clarify this. It may also be wise to move this part of the conversation (if required) to the devel list, as it may be something we can align with the Documentation team. It might help me to understand better, if you could take the time to let me know what you would like to see as the focus of the www.koha.org website. Cheers Mike
Mike Mylonas a écrit :
On Fri, 2004-09-24 at 12:31, MJ Ray wrote:
There is a lot of good information spread around the internet (with sites like your own), and it will be great if we can centrally collate/organise the majority of this information.
Great indeed, but remember: "I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or numbered!" My site is my own.
That individualism is what make Koha (and most Open Source Software) special and I am certainly not wanting to dictate to anyone what they do with their own site.
Right, but that individualism is also what confuses the newbie. We all agree that information is spread all over the world & sometimes hard to find (just an example : MJ didn't knew that a koha-cvs mailing list existed !) & I fully agree with rachel when she speaks of "portal". Search koha on google : The 1st is koha-fr.org (dont know why, I never submited anything specific to google) The 2nd is koha.org, sourceforge is 8th. You appear as the last entry of the 2nd page. The wiki is in the middle of the last page. The 1st smekota link is on the middle of the 4th page. kohalabs & koha webring are there too. Other links are koha ILS related or not. Specialists says that ppl rarely look after the 1st page, and almost never after the 2nd. So we need to have a portal & koha.org being 1st or so. PS : ILS free & ILS GPL Give a lot of french. It's because "ils" is "they", free is a famous ISP in France, and GPL is "Gaz de Pétrole Liquéfié" (don't know the term in english, probably LGP. It's a gas for cars) -- Paul POULAIN Consultant indépendant en logiciels libres responsable francophone de koha (SIGB libre http://www.koha-fr.org)
On 2004-09-24 09:01:38 +0100 Paul POULAIN <paul.poulain@free.fr> wrote:
Search koha on google :
I think google ordering changes by language and variant. koha.org is top, koha-fr is 5th, sourceforge 8th and koha England is 10th for me. I find searching for koha ILS on the US variant amusing...
It's because "ils" is "they", free is a famous ISP in France, and GPL is "Gaz de Pétrole Liquéfié" (don't know the term in english, probably LGP. It's a gas for cars)
LPG, Liquified Petroleum Gas. The signs on car parks about GPL made me smile every visit to France this year. -- MJR/slef My Opinion Only and not of any group I know Creative copyleft computing - http://www.ttllp.co.uk/ LinuxExpo.org.uk village 6+7 Oct http://www.affs.org.uk
MJ Ray a écrit :
It's because "ils" is "they", free is a famous ISP in France, and GPL is "Gaz de Pétrole Liquéfié" (don't know the term in english, probably LGP. It's a gas for cars)
LPG, Liquified Petroleum Gas. The signs on car parks about GPL made me smile every visit to France this year.
GPL ( the gas) is pollution free & highly cheaper (sometihng like EUR0.60 vs EUR1.05 each liter) than standard fuel. In france, free software fans often uses GPL (=GNU & gas) to make jokes. -- Paul POULAIN Consultant indépendant en logiciels libres responsable francophone de koha (SIGB libre http://www.koha-fr.org)
HI Ya
My primary goal is to see the www.koha.org site become the pre-eminant site for all Koha related information.
Excellent :-) I was thinking "Portal" if you know what I mean - so a site that points people to the other Koha sites, and is "authoritive" on some core aspects of the project - like who the current release people are etc etc.
Basically, I'll share with you if you share with me. At the moment, things like the koha logo are restricted use and most of the koha site is the default copyright (all rights reserved), as far as I can tell.
You what? You're more than welcome to use the Koha logo etc - they are on the site for download (the links to them seem to disapear with alarming regularity but sorting that is Mikes new job :-) http://koha.org/developers/logos/ And that's why I put the presentation and print materials up there http://www.koha.org/about/brochure.html http://www.koha.org/about/presentation/index.html So you can use the content of them.....
That's very annoying when making publicity materials at short notice and part of the motive for my Koha England microsite: anyone can use its text, although I like being credited.
Right - I quite deliberatly don't say anywhere on the site that it is "owned" by Katipo - there is no Katipo logo or copyright statement claiming ownership by Katipo. You are free to use it (and put stuff on it too if you want) as long as it's for the koha project. The "blobbies" have a licence with them that is just that they can't be resold - so you can use them too. What I didn't want to happen was that someone use the Koha site stuff for something not connected with koha, but anyone who is doing stuff with Koha is more than welcome to use logos, designs etc. I'm happy to send freehand or photoshop files to anyone who wants them pretty much, the only thing that is usually a stopper to that is that folks don't have the programmes to open them. Cheers R -- _____________________________________________________________ Rachel Hamilton-Williams Katipo Communications MANAGING DIRECTOR Ph 021 389 128 or +64 04 934 1285 mailto:rachel@katipo.co.nz PO Box 12487, Wellington http://www.katipo.co.nz New Zealand Koha Open Source Library System http://www.koha.org
On 2004-09-24 04:55:12 +0100 Rachel Hamilton-Williams <rachel@katipo.co.nz> wrote:
like the koha logo are restricted use and most of the koha site is the default copyright (all rights reserved), as far as I can tell. You what?
You're more than welcome to use the Koha logo etc - they are on the site for download (the links to them seem to disapear with alarming regularity but sorting that is Mikes new job :-)
On http://koha.org/developers/ it says "You are welcome to download and use these logos/graphics for the promotion and publicity of the Koha Library System. You may not use them for any other purpose." That is a restriction on field of use, which conflicts with things like the debian free software guidelines: http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines (guideline 6).
And that's why I put the presentation and print materials up there http://www.koha.org/about/brochure.html http://www.koha.org/about/presentation/index.html So you can use the content of them.....
I only see permission to reprint the 2002 brochure. Here, unless I have permission to do something to a copyrighted work, many acts infringe copyright, including taking the content and including it in my own work. Is NZ copyright very different?
That's very annoying when making publicity materials at short notice and part of the motive for my Koha England microsite: anyone can use its text, although I like being credited. Right - I quite deliberatly don't say anywhere on the site that it is "owned" by Katipo - there is no Katipo logo or copyright statement claiming ownership by Katipo. You are free to use it (and put stuff on it too if you want) as long as it's for the koha project.
If that's what you want, you should say it. If I remember it correctly, in any Berne Union state, the author automatically gets copyright on a substantial creation. It says on the "Contact Us" page that the site is maintained by Katipo.
The "blobbies" have a licence with them that is just that they can't be resold - so you can use them too.
A lot of what I do these days involves commerce, so I avoid things with that restriction as much as possible.
What I didn't want to happen was that someone use the Koha site stuff for something not connected with koha, but anyone who is doing stuff with Koha is more than welcome to use logos, designs etc.
Personally, I'd be delighted to see koha-related materials like "introduction to libraries for sysadmins" reused for non-koha things. I think it makes it more likely that koha gets good publicity (from a credit on the materials if nothing else) and more likely that others will want to let us reuse their work. -- MJR/slef My Opinion Only and not of any group I know Creative copyleft computing - http://www.ttllp.co.uk/ LinuxExpo.org.uk village 6+7 Oct http://www.affs.org.uk
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