Anyone know how koha handles fees. My boss needs me to edit it so students can turn in .10 cents or .20 cents as a fee payment. Who pays .x cents for book fees at a time, only elementary and middle school kids . If anyone has an idea or where to look to fix this it would help and save a lot of time.
Hello, It is actually fairly common in tiny community libraries. And as economic conditions deteriorate, it will likely become more so. Imagine a patron has $20-50 in fines or replacement fees, and wants to check out a book, and the library agrees to let them pay $5 a visit until it is paid off. This is not something new, and various other ILS systems allow this. I would like to see this in the phantom Koha v3.2, whenever that appears. -Joe
-----Original Message----- From: Scott
Anyone know how koha handles fees. My boss needs me to edit it so students can turn in .10 cents or .20 cents as a fee payment. Who pays .x cents for book fees at a time, only elementary and middle school kids .
Joe Tho wrote:
Hello,
It is actually fairly common in tiny community libraries. And as economic conditions deteriorate, it will likely become more so.
Imagine a patron has $20-50 in fines or replacement fees, and wants to check out a book, and the library agrees to let them pay $5 a visit until it is paid off. This is not something new, and various other ILS systems allow this. I would like to see this in the phantom Koha v3.2, whenever that appears.
-Joe
-----Original Message----- From: Scott
Anyone know how koha handles fees. My boss needs me to edit it so students can turn in .10 cents or .20 cents as a fee payment. Who pays .x cents for book fees at a time, only elementary and middle school kids . Well i'm hoping for some help in solving this, if i do get a working modification, i'll have to tell the koha peeps about it so they can implement it.
2009/4/12 Joe Tho <koha@joetho.com>:
Hello,
It is actually fairly common in tiny community libraries. And as economic conditions deteriorate, it will likely become more so.
Imagine a patron has $20-50 in fines or replacement fees, and wants to check out a book, and the library agrees to let them pay $5 a visit until it is paid off. This is not something new, and various other ILS systems allow this. I would like to see this in the phantom Koha v3.2, whenever that appears.
I think you can already do this, at least you could in 1999 :) And it was still there in version 2.2.5, you went to view account, then chose create a manual credit. Then you entered the amount of the credit. It could be any amount. As you say this a common requirement and something HLT specified when they were working on creating Koha. And having just checked Koha 3.0 you can still do this, you go to a borrower, check the fines tab, then choose create manual credit. If you enter a barcode it should take the credit off the charge associated with that item. Hope this helps Chris
2009/4/12 Joe Tho <koha@joetho.com>:
Hello,
It is actually fairly common in tiny community libraries. And as economic conditions deteriorate, it will likely become more so.
Imagine a patron has $20-50 in fines or replacement fees, and wants to check out a book, and the library agrees to let them pay $5 a visit until it is paid off. This is not something new, and various other ILS systems allow this. I would like to see this in the phantom Koha v3.2, whenever that appears.
I think you can already do this, at least you could in 1999 :) And it was still there in version 2.2.5, you went to view account, then chose create a manual credit. Then you entered the amount of the credit. It could be any amount. As you say this a common requirement and something HLT specified when they were working on creating Koha.
And having just checked Koha 3.0 you can still do this, you go to a borrower, check the fines tab, then choose create manual credit.
If you enter a barcode it should take the credit off the charge associated with that item.
Hope this helps
Chris hmm okay, i havn't actually had time at work to check this, so i was
Chris Cormack wrote: preparing myself for it on monday, boss said it couldn't be done but maybe ill show him and prove him wrong. thanks for the replies.
I forgot about the manual credit method. Yes, that works, after a fashion, but our circ desk people complain a lot about the 'clunkiness' of it. No over-ride button for fines is a problem too. -Joe
:( Nope it doesn't work. I owed $14 on one item and I went to manual credit and put in 10 for a partial payment. It subtracted 10 from my total - but not from what I owe on that one item. Also instead of the barcode it shows the bib number on the account history - which I think I reported a bug about. See attached. --- Nicole C. Engard Open Source Evangelist, LibLime (888) Koha ILS (564-2457) ext. 714 nce@liblime.com AIM/Y!/Skype: nengard http://liblime.com http://blogs.liblime.com/open-sesame/ On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 6:21 PM, Chris Cormack <chris@bigballofwax.co.nz> wrote:
2009/4/12 Joe Tho <koha@joetho.com>:
Hello,
It is actually fairly common in tiny community libraries. And as economic conditions deteriorate, it will likely become more so.
Imagine a patron has $20-50 in fines or replacement fees, and wants to check out a book, and the library agrees to let them pay $5 a visit until it is paid off. This is not something new, and various other ILS systems allow this. I would like to see this in the phantom Koha v3.2, whenever that appears.
I think you can already do this, at least you could in 1999 :) And it was still there in version 2.2.5, you went to view account, then chose create a manual credit. Then you entered the amount of the credit. It could be any amount. As you say this a common requirement and something HLT specified when they were working on creating Koha.
And having just checked Koha 3.0 you can still do this, you go to a borrower, check the fines tab, then choose create manual credit.
If you enter a barcode it should take the credit off the charge associated with that item.
Hope this helps
Chris _______________________________________________ Koha mailing list Koha@lists.katipo.co.nz http://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha
I was told there is no way to make a partial payment. I tried the same thing Nicole did. It just doesn't work. Please someone sponsor a fix on this, it is incredibly important for those who work in circulation. Dianna Waite ________________________________ From: koha-bounces@lists.katipo.co.nz on behalf of Nicole Engard Sent: Mon 4/13/2009 10:50 AM To: Chris Cormack Cc: koha@lists.katipo.co.nz Subject: Re: [Koha] koha fees and handling centage :( Nope it doesn't work. I owed $14 on one item and I went to manual credit and put in 10 for a partial payment. It subtracted 10 from my total - but not from what I owe on that one item. Also instead of the barcode it shows the bib number on the account history - which I think I reported a bug about. See attached. --- Nicole C. Engard Open Source Evangelist, LibLime (888) Koha ILS (564-2457) ext. 714 nce@liblime.com AIM/Y!/Skype: nengard http://liblime.com <http://liblime.com/> http://blogs.liblime.com/open-sesame/ On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 6:21 PM, Chris Cormack <chris@bigballofwax.co.nz> wrote:
2009/4/12 Joe Tho <koha@joetho.com>:
Hello,
It is actually fairly common in tiny community libraries. And as economic conditions deteriorate, it will likely become more so.
Imagine a patron has $20-50 in fines or replacement fees, and wants to check out a book, and the library agrees to let them pay $5 a visit until it is paid off. This is not something new, and various other ILS systems allow this. I would like to see this in the phantom Koha v3.2, whenever that appears.
I think you can already do this, at least you could in 1999 :) And it was still there in version 2.2.5, you went to view account, then chose create a manual credit. Then you entered the amount of the credit. It could be any amount. As you say this a common requirement and something HLT specified when they were working on creating Koha.
And having just checked Koha 3.0 you can still do this, you go to a borrower, check the fines tab, then choose create manual credit.
If you enter a barcode it should take the credit off the charge associated with that item.
Hope this helps
Chris _______________________________________________ Koha mailing list Koha@lists.katipo.co.nz http://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha
Dianna, I do believe this is in development for 3.2 -- I was just hoping that Chris' way would work too :) --- Nicole C. Engard Open Source Evangelist, LibLime (888) Koha ILS (564-2457) ext. 714 nce@liblime.com AIM/Y!/Skype: nengard http://liblime.com http://blogs.liblime.com/open-sesame/ On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 11:53 AM, Dianna Waite <diawaite@salpublib.org> wrote:
I was told there is no way to make a partial payment. I tried the same thing Nicole did. It just doesn't work. Please someone sponsor a fix on this, it is incredibly important for those who work in circulation.
Dianna Waite
________________________________ From: koha-bounces@lists.katipo.co.nz on behalf of Nicole Engard Sent: Mon 4/13/2009 10:50 AM To: Chris Cormack Cc: koha@lists.katipo.co.nz Subject: Re: [Koha] koha fees and handling centage
:( Nope it doesn't work. I owed $14 on one item and I went to manual credit and put in 10 for a partial payment. It subtracted 10 from my total - but not from what I owe on that one item. Also instead of the barcode it shows the bib number on the account history - which I think I reported a bug about. See attached.
---
Nicole C. Engard Open Source Evangelist, LibLime (888) Koha ILS (564-2457) ext. 714 nce@liblime.com AIM/Y!/Skype: nengard
http://liblime.com http://blogs.liblime.com/open-sesame/
On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 6:21 PM, Chris Cormack <chris@bigballofwax.co.nz> wrote:
2009/4/12 Joe Tho <koha@joetho.com>:
Hello,
It is actually fairly common in tiny community libraries. And as economic conditions deteriorate, it will likely become more so.
Imagine a patron has $20-50 in fines or replacement fees, and wants to check out a book, and the library agrees to let them pay $5 a visit until it is paid off. This is not something new, and various other ILS systems allow this. I would like to see this in the phantom Koha v3.2, whenever that appears.
I think you can already do this, at least you could in 1999 :) And it was still there in version 2.2.5, you went to view account, then chose create a manual credit. Then you entered the amount of the credit. It could be any amount. As you say this a common requirement and something HLT specified when they were working on creating Koha.
And having just checked Koha 3.0 you can still do this, you go to a borrower, check the fines tab, then choose create manual credit.
If you enter a barcode it should take the credit off the charge associated with that item.
Hope this helps
Chris _______________________________________________ Koha mailing list Koha@lists.katipo.co.nz http://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha
Nicole Engard wrote:
:( Nope it doesn't work. I owed $14 on one item and I went to manual credit and put in 10 for a partial payment. It subtracted 10 from my total - but not from what I owe on that one item. Also instead of the barcode it shows the bib number on the account history - which I think I reported a bug about. See attached.
---
Nicole C. Engard Open Source Evangelist, LibLime (888) Koha ILS (564-2457) ext. 714 nce@liblime.com AIM/Y!/Skype: nengard
http://liblime.com http://blogs.liblime.com/open-sesame/
On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 6:21 PM, Chris Cormack <chris@bigballofwax.co.nz> wrote:
2009/4/12 Joe Tho <koha@joetho.com>:
Hello,
It is actually fairly common in tiny community libraries. And as economic conditions deteriorate, it will likely become more so.
Imagine a patron has $20-50 in fines or replacement fees, and wants to check out a book, and the library agrees to let them pay $5 a visit until it is paid off. This is not something new, and various other ILS systems allow this. I would like to see this in the phantom Koha v3.2, whenever that appears.
I think you can already do this, at least you could in 1999 :) And it was still there in version 2.2.5, you went to view account, then chose create a manual credit. Then you entered the amount of the credit. It could be any amount. As you say this a common requirement and something HLT specified when they were working on creating Koha.
And having just checked Koha 3.0 you can still do this, you go to a borrower, check the fines tab, then choose create manual credit.
If you enter a barcode it should take the credit off the charge associated with that item.
Hope this helps
Chris _______________________________________________ Koha mailing list Koha@lists.katipo.co.nz http://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha
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_______________________________________________ Koha mailing list Koha@lists.katipo.co.nz http://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha weird bug, im gonna have to see if that does it on mine as well. Maybe i can fix it before the koha team does.
scott wrote:
Nicole Engard wrote:
:( Nope it doesn't work. I owed $14 on one item and I went to manual credit and put in 10 for a partial payment. It subtracted 10 from my total - but not from what I owe on that one item. Also instead of the barcode it shows the bib number on the account history - which I think I reported a bug about. See attached.
---
Nicole C. Engard Open Source Evangelist, LibLime (888) Koha ILS (564-2457) ext. 714 nce@liblime.com AIM/Y!/Skype: nengard
http://liblime.com http://blogs.liblime.com/open-sesame/
On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 6:21 PM, Chris Cormack <chris@bigballofwax.co.nz> wrote:
2009/4/12 Joe Tho <koha@joetho.com>:
Hello,
It is actually fairly common in tiny community libraries. And as economic conditions deteriorate, it will likely become more so.
Imagine a patron has $20-50 in fines or replacement fees, and wants to check out a book, and the library agrees to let them pay $5 a visit until it is paid off. This is not something new, and various other ILS systems allow this. I would like to see this in the phantom Koha v3.2, whenever that appears.
I think you can already do this, at least you could in 1999 :) And it was still there in version 2.2.5, you went to view account, then chose create a manual credit. Then you entered the amount of the credit. It could be any amount. As you say this a common requirement and something HLT specified when they were working on creating Koha.
And having just checked Koha 3.0 you can still do this, you go to a borrower, check the fines tab, then choose create manual credit.
If you enter a barcode it should take the credit off the charge associated with that item.
Hope this helps
Chris _______________________________________________ Koha mailing list Koha@lists.katipo.co.nz http://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha
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_______________________________________________ Koha mailing list Koha@lists.katipo.co.nz http://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha weird bug, im gonna have to see if that does it on mine as well. Maybe i can fix it before the koha team does.
Ok check this out, i do believe partial payment DOES work, it takes your biblio/inventory number and stores it in the database in the table called accountlines. puts that itemnumber in there and so you are doing payments for that "item." here is a screenshot.
What version is this on? Cause I tried it on mine and did not have that result ... it kept my total due to the full amount instead of taking off the partial payment I put in. --- Nicole C. Engard Open Source Evangelist, LibLime (888) Koha ILS (564-2457) ext. 714 nce@liblime.com AIM/Y!/Skype: nengard http://liblime.com http://blogs.liblime.com/open-sesame/ 2009/4/13 scott <tacogrande55@hotmail.com>:
scott wrote:
Nicole Engard wrote:
:( Nope it doesn't work. I owed $14 on one item and I went to manual credit and put in 10 for a partial payment. It subtracted 10 from my total - but not from what I owe on that one item. Also instead of the barcode it shows the bib number on the account history - which I think I reported a bug about. See attached.
---
Nicole C. Engard Open Source Evangelist, LibLime (888) Koha ILS (564-2457) ext. 714 nce@liblime.com AIM/Y!/Skype: nengard
http://liblime.com http://blogs.liblime.com/open-sesame/
On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 6:21 PM, Chris Cormack <chris@bigballofwax.co.nz> wrote:
2009/4/12 Joe Tho <koha@joetho.com>:
Hello,
It is actually fairly common in tiny community libraries. And as economic conditions deteriorate, it will likely become more so.
Imagine a patron has $20-50 in fines or replacement fees, and wants to check out a book, and the library agrees to let them pay $5 a visit until it is paid off. This is not something new, and various other ILS systems allow this. I would like to see this in the phantom Koha v3.2, whenever that appears.
I think you can already do this, at least you could in 1999 :) And it was still there in version 2.2.5, you went to view account, then chose create a manual credit. Then you entered the amount of the credit. It could be any amount. As you say this a common requirement and something HLT specified when they were working on creating Koha.
And having just checked Koha 3.0 you can still do this, you go to a borrower, check the fines tab, then choose create manual credit.
If you enter a barcode it should take the credit off the charge associated with that item.
Hope this helps
Chris _______________________________________________ Koha mailing list Koha@lists.katipo.co.nz http://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha
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weird bug, im gonna have to see if that does it on mine as well. Maybe i can fix it before the koha team does.
Ok check this out, i do believe partial payment DOES work, it takes your biblio/inventory number and stores it in the database in the table called accountlines. puts that itemnumber in there and so you are doing payments for that "item."
here is a screenshot.
_______________________________________________ Koha mailing list Koha@lists.katipo.co.nz http://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha
What version is this on? Cause I tried it on mine and did not have that result ... it kept my total due to the full amount instead of taking off the partial payment I put in.
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Nicole C. Engard Open Source Evangelist, LibLime (888) Koha ILS (564-2457) ext. 714 nce@liblime.com AIM/Y!/Skype: nengard
http://liblime.com http://blogs.liblime.com/open-sesame/
2009/4/13 scott <tacogrande55@hotmail.com>:
scott wrote:
Nicole Engard wrote:
:( Nope it doesn't work. I owed $14 on one item and I went to manual credit and put in 10 for a partial payment. It subtracted 10 from my total - but not from what I owe on that one item. Also instead of the barcode it shows the bib number on the account history - which I think I reported a bug about. See attached.
---
Nicole C. Engard Open Source Evangelist, LibLime (888) Koha ILS (564-2457) ext. 714 nce@liblime.com AIM/Y!/Skype: nengard
http://liblime.com http://blogs.liblime.com/open-sesame/
On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 6:21 PM, Chris Cormack <chris@bigballofwax.co.nz> wrote:
2009/4/12 Joe Tho <koha@joetho.com>:
Hello,
It is actually fairly common in tiny community libraries. And as economic conditions deteriorate, it will likely become more so.
Imagine a patron has $20-50 in fines or replacement fees, and wants to check out a book, and the library agrees to let them pay $5 a visit until it is paid off. This is not something new, and various other ILS systems allow this. I would like to see this in the phantom Koha v3.2, whenever that appears.
I think you can already do this, at least you could in 1999 :) And it was still there in version 2.2.5, you went to view account, then chose create a manual credit. Then you entered the amount of the credit. It could be any amount. As you say this a common requirement and something HLT specified when they were working on creating Koha.
And having just checked Koha 3.0 you can still do this, you go to a borrower, check the fines tab, then choose create manual credit.
If you enter a barcode it should take the credit off the charge associated with that item.
Hope this helps
Chris _______________________________________________ Koha mailing list Koha@lists.katipo.co.nz http://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha
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_______________________________________________ Koha mailing list Koha@lists.katipo.co.nz http://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha weird bug, im gonna have to see if that does it on mine as well. Maybe i can fix it before the koha team does. Ok check this out, i do believe partial payment DOES work, it takes your biblio/inventory number and stores it in the database in the table called accountlines. puts that itemnumber in there and so you are doing payments for that "item."
here is a screenshot.
_______________________________________________ Koha mailing list Koha@lists.katipo.co.nz http://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha
Where i work we have a programmer that alters the latest koha to our
Nicole Engard wrote: liking and, when i first posted on here it was to see if there was a solution to what my boss wanted, because a librarian from a school district we work with said it wasnt doing what she wanted, removing fines from specific books etc..., so we can only upgrade so many koha systems a month and have other priorities. But like i said we have an altered version, if your interested in checking it out I can get you a zip of it. We are still trying to find out if its the librarians old version and our new one has the fix or not. I hope this makes sense.
The implementation for "targeted" payments was buggy and error-prone, at best, mainly because there was no unique key on the accountlines table. It resorted to an imprecise and slow subqueries try to generate the desired effect, and it wouldn't scale. So for now you can only pay against your balance. This should be resolved either by the recent patches to make accountlines editable, and more broadly, by Ryan's overhaul of fines. -- Joe Atzberger LibLime - Open Source Library Solutions 2009/4/13 Nicole Engard <nicole.engard@liblime.com>
:( Nope it doesn't work. I owed $14 on one item and I went to manual credit and put in 10 for a partial payment. It subtracted 10 from my total - but not from what I owe on that one item. Also instead of the barcode it shows the bib number on the account history - which I think I reported a bug about. See attached.
---
Nicole C. Engard Open Source Evangelist, LibLime (888) Koha ILS (564-2457) ext. 714 nce@liblime.com AIM/Y!/Skype: nengard
http://liblime.com http://blogs.liblime.com/open-sesame/
On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 6:21 PM, Chris Cormack <chris@bigballofwax.co.nz> wrote:
2009/4/12 Joe Tho <koha@joetho.com>:
Hello,
It is actually fairly common in tiny community libraries. And as economic conditions deteriorate, it will likely become more so.
Imagine a patron has $20-50 in fines or replacement fees, and wants to check out a book, and the library agrees to let them pay $5 a visit until it is paid off. This is not something new, and various other ILS systems allow this. I would like to see this in the phantom Koha v3.2, whenever that appears.
I think you can already do this, at least you could in 1999 :) And it was still there in version 2.2.5, you went to view account, then chose create a manual credit. Then you entered the amount of the credit. It could be any amount. As you say this a common requirement and something HLT specified when they were working on creating Koha.
And having just checked Koha 3.0 you can still do this, you go to a borrower, check the fines tab, then choose create manual credit.
If you enter a barcode it should take the credit off the charge associated with that item.
Hope this helps
2009/4/14 Joe Atzberger <ohiocore@gmail.com>:
The implementation for "targeted" payments was buggy and error-prone, at best, mainly because there was no unique key on the accountlines table. It resorted to an imprecise and slow subqueries try to generate the desired effect, and it wouldn't scale. So for now you can only pay against your balance.
Bummer, in the olden days it used the accountoffsets table, with borrowernumber and accountno as the key. And you could select the charge(s) you wished to pay. Then It got changed to just use accountlines and I suspect thats where the bugginess came in.
This should be resolved either by the recent patches to make accountlines editable, and more broadly, by Ryan's overhaul of fines.
Excellent to both Chris
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