Re: [Koha] Multi-Lingual SQL & User Defined Parameters
Hi Dear Mr Massoud , Dear all, I think this will be very helpful for the people who don't want to use the English interface in Koha , and as you say when we finish translating koha 3.8 to Arabic ( very soon inshaallah) , we will have problems with the people who want to use koha in Arabic and english in the same time e.g: May be some Arab librarian prefer to use koha English interface for the staff client , and in the case that we've used the translated sql files (that your company provided it to us) for the marc21 the Arab librarian who want to use the English interface will have a problem because all the staff client will be in english except for the marc records and if we use the English version of the marc21 sql files the problem will be that the Arab librarian who will use the Arabic interface will see the marc fields in english so if we want to use arabic interface we have to use arabic sql files for marc is it possible to make something like armarc as we have normarc in the SQL structure ?! it's not a standard we don't really have 'armarc' and it is not a solution so the library chose its Marc flavor and all the librarian in that library will be forced to use this armarc , but will help to make the installation of the translated Arabic marc more easier and for the preferences description is included in the po files but the preferences still in English (the main term ) maybe the best solution is to make all the strings in koha included in the po files I don't have deep technical background but this will be more flexible for koha users all over the world for other languages not only for the Arabic language wish you will be able to do that for all the koha community :) thanks a lot for you Mr Massoud and thanks you all in Koha community for helping us :D Karam Qubsi Koha Arab Translating Team http://koha.wikibrary.org/ Wikibrary for Arab Librarians http://wikibrary.org
Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 09:00:57 +0300 From: Massoud Alshareef <massoud@kwareict.com> Subject: [Koha-translate] Multi-Lingual SQL & User Defined Parameters To: koha-devel@lists.katipo.co.nz, koha@lists.katipo.co.nz, koha-translate@lists.koha-community.org Message-ID: <CAMp2hxbU3fzajsQjgd-hou-RiPLmJ7y8Wf3XU=k2=5W15pPzmQ@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Hello,
I have asked a question about two years ago about when we can have Koha support of Multi-Lingual SQL files (used for marc21/Auth fields description in the Staff client) and Multi-Lingual users defined parameters (used for describing items/ libraries & groups/ locations/ patrons categories/ etc), and the answer from Koha development then was that it is under consideration but not in the development pipelines yet, as it will require some re-structuring in Koha system databases and controls. That means, Koha will remain a single language in these areas.
With Koha 3.6 release, I noticed the inclusion of "Spanish translation for SQL files" in the INTERNATIONALIZATION enhancement section. Does this mean that Spanish Koha, or any non-English Koha, now has both Spanish and English SQL files, where Koha users can switch between more than one language when, for instance, editing marc records in the staff client ?
Koha Preferences description used to be in SQL files, which means a single language prefers, and then moved into PO files format with 3.2 release (I think) and thus Preferences became multi-lingual since then.
Thank you Koha development for elaborating on the issue of having a fully bilingual Koha.
BTW, Arabic Koha 3.8 is now on the fast-lanes translation speed to be completed within 3-4 weeks. See Arabic Koha 3.8 OPAC demo site on http://176.34.184.60/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=%D8%B9%D9%84%D9%85
Thanks Massoud M. AlShareef,
The world of achievement has always belonged to the optimist!
KnowledgeWare Technologies (P.O. Box 230-312) Riyadh 11321, Saudi Arabia Cel: +966 505 307 267 massoud@kwareict.com
Most academic libraries in the Arabian Gulf region (Saudi, Kuwait, Bahrain, Qatar, UAE, Oman) always have bilingual catalogers, some do Arabic books cataloging (Arabs mostly from Saudi and Egypt with near zero English background) and some do English books cataloging (non-Arabs mostly from India and Pakistan who are generally fluent in English but have little or no Arabic language understanding). Imagine the case when both language catalogers doing cataloging/ authority work using the same Arabic/English Koha installation !! I think it is like a night-mare for one of the two groups at least, and the other group feeling sorry for their colleagues; I did live the experience at a University library using another single language ILS in the late nineties, and if you are wondering it was not a healthy environment experience at all! Thanks Massoud M. AlShareef, The world of achievement has always belonged to the optimist! KnowledgeWare Technologies (P.O. Box 230-312) Riyadh 11321, Saudi Arabia Cel: +966 505 307 267 massoud@kwareict.com On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 3:15 PM, Karam Qubsi <karamqubsi@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Dear Mr Massoud , Dear all,
I think this will be very helpful for the people who don't want to use the English interface in Koha , and as you say when we finish translating koha 3.8 to Arabic ( very soon inshaallah) , we will have problems with the people who want to use koha in Arabic and english in the same time e.g: May be some Arab librarian prefer to use koha English interface for the staff client , and in the case that we've used the translated sql files (that your company provided it to us) for the marc21 the Arab librarian who want to use the English interface will have a problem because all the staff client will be in english except for the marc records
and if we use the English version of the marc21 sql files the problem will be that the Arab librarian who will use the Arabic interface will see the marc fields in english
so if we want to use arabic interface we have to use arabic sql files for marc
is it possible to make something like armarc as we have normarc in the SQL structure ?!
it's not a standard we don't really have 'armarc' and it is not a solution so the library chose its Marc flavor and all the librarian in that library will be forced to use this armarc , but will help to make the installation of the translated Arabic marc more easier
and for the preferences description is included in the po files but the preferences still in English (the main term )
maybe the best solution is to make all the strings in koha included in the po files I don't have deep technical background but this will be more flexible for koha users all over the world for other languages not only for the Arabic language
wish you will be able to do that for all the koha community :)
thanks a lot for you Mr Massoud
and thanks you all in Koha community for helping us :D
Karam Qubsi Koha Arab Translating Team http://koha.wikibrary.org/ Wikibrary for Arab Librarians http://wikibrary.org
Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 09:00:57 +0300 From: Massoud Alshareef <massoud@kwareict.com> Subject: [Koha-translate] Multi-Lingual SQL & User Defined Parameters To: koha-devel@lists.katipo.co.nz, koha@lists.katipo.co.nz, koha-translate@lists.koha-community.org Message-ID: <CAMp2hxbU3fzajsQjgd-hou-RiPLmJ7y8Wf3XU=k2= 5W15pPzmQ@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Hello,
I have asked a question about two years ago about when we can have Koha support of Multi-Lingual SQL files (used for marc21/Auth fields description in the Staff client) and Multi-Lingual users defined parameters (used for describing items/ libraries & groups/ locations/ patrons categories/ etc), and the answer from Koha development then was that it is under consideration but not in the development pipelines yet, as it will require some re-structuring in Koha system databases and controls. That means, Koha will remain a single language in these areas.
With Koha 3.6 release, I noticed the inclusion of "Spanish translation for SQL files" in the INTERNATIONALIZATION enhancement section. Does this mean that Spanish Koha, or any non-English Koha, now has both Spanish and English SQL files, where Koha users can switch between more than one language when, for instance, editing marc records in the staff client ?
Koha Preferences description used to be in SQL files, which means a single language prefers, and then moved into PO files format with 3.2 release (I think) and thus Preferences became multi-lingual since then.
Thank you Koha development for elaborating on the issue of having a fully bilingual Koha.
BTW, Arabic Koha 3.8 is now on the fast-lanes translation speed to be completed within 3-4 weeks. See Arabic Koha 3.8 OPAC demo site on http://176.34.184.60/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=%D8%B9%D9%84%D9%85
Thanks Massoud M. AlShareef,
The world of achievement has always belonged to the optimist!
KnowledgeWare Technologies (P.O. Box 230-312) Riyadh 11321, Saudi Arabia Cel: +966 505 307 267 massoud@kwareict.com
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