Hello Koha community! There has been discussion about updating or replacing the wiki (https://wiki.koha-community.org). The software behind the current wiki is out of date and we need to upgrade it. Or we could replace it with something more lightweight or more user-friendly. The current wiki is a gold mine of information, but that good information is hard to find. This email is an attempt to start a conversation about the best plan of action to upgrade our wiki. The main argument for changing is that the MediaWiki version we are using is obsolete. - Should we continue with a more recent version of MediaWiki or change the software? It has been argued that maybe MediaWiki is a bit to complex for our needs. DokuWiki (https://www.dokuwiki.org/dokuwiki) was cited as an option, but it's apparently too light and one needs to learn the special syntax. - If we change the software, do you have a suggestion? Some have suggested that we simply archive the current wiki and start fresh with a new one. - Would you be in favor of starting over? I'm sure I'm forgetting things, but my hope is only to get the ball rolling and that this project does not fall in the cracks once again. If you have any suggestion, comment, or concern about this project, please voice them by replying to this email. If you'd rather discuss "live" about this issue, the wiki question is often on the Development IRC meetings agenda. Next meeting is on March 24, 2021 at 20 UTC https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Development_IRC_meeting_24_March_2021 Thank you for your input! Caroline -- Caroline Cyr La Rose, M.L.I.S. Librarian | Product Manager Phone: 1-833-465-4276, ext. 221 Caroline.Cyr-La-Rose@inLibro.com <mailto:caroline.cyr-la-rose@inLibro.com> INLiBRO | Document Technologies Specialists | www.inLibro.com <http://www.inLibro.com>
I don't have strong opinions about whether or not to change wiki softwares but I do have quite a bit of experience in using DokuWiki and while it does have its own syntax it's not burdensome or awkward. Most users use the formatting toolbar options and don't worry about the syntax much. On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 11:49 AM Caroline Cyr-La-Rose < caroline.cyr-la-rose@inlibro.com> wrote:
Hello Koha community!
There has been discussion about updating or replacing the wiki (https://wiki.koha-community.org). The software behind the current wiki is out of date and we need to upgrade it. Or we could replace it with something more lightweight or more user-friendly. The current wiki is a gold mine of information, but that good information is hard to find.
This email is an attempt to start a conversation about the best plan of action to upgrade our wiki.
The main argument for changing is that the MediaWiki version we are using is obsolete.
- Should we continue with a more recent version of MediaWiki or change the software?
It has been argued that maybe MediaWiki is a bit to complex for our needs. DokuWiki (https://www.dokuwiki.org/dokuwiki) was cited as an option, but it's apparently too light and one needs to learn the special syntax.
- If we change the software, do you have a suggestion?
Some have suggested that we simply archive the current wiki and start fresh with a new one.
- Would you be in favor of starting over?
I'm sure I'm forgetting things, but my hope is only to get the ball rolling and that this project does not fall in the cracks once again. If you have any suggestion, comment, or concern about this project, please voice them by replying to this email.
If you'd rather discuss "live" about this issue, the wiki question is often on the Development IRC meetings agenda. Next meeting is on March 24, 2021 at 20 UTC https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Development_IRC_meeting_24_March_2021
Thank you for your input!
Caroline
-- Caroline Cyr La Rose, M.L.I.S. Librarian | Product Manager
Phone: 1-833-465-4276, ext. 221 Caroline.Cyr-La-Rose@inLibro.com <mailto:caroline.cyr-la-rose@inLibro.com>
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Hi, On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 11:48 AM Caroline Cyr-La-Rose < caroline.cyr-la-rose@inlibro.com> wrote:
- Should we continue with a more recent version of MediaWiki or change the software?
I can commit to doing an in-place MediaWiki upgrade over the next six weeks, but, read on...
It has been argued that maybe MediaWiki is a bit to complex for our needs. DokuWiki (https://www.dokuwiki.org/dokuwiki) was cited as an option, but it's apparently too light and one needs to learn the special syntax.
In the long run, I'd be in favor of our giving serious consideration to migrating to DokuWiki.
- Would you be in favor of starting over?
I think there would be a lot of benefit to archiving the current wiki and starting fresh, but there's definitely some content that should not only be brought over to a new platform, but have URL redirects put in place. I'm thinking of things like the SQL and jQuery libraries in particular. Regards, Galen -- Galen Charlton Implementation and Services Manager Equinox Open Library Initiative phone: 1-877-OPEN-ILS (673-6457) email: gmc@equinoxInitiative.org web: https://equinoxInitiative.org direct: +1 770-709-5581 cell: +1 404-984-4366
I agree with Galen, that a combination of archiving and migration is best. The trick is winnowing out what is obsolete and keeping what is relevant. This could get pretty granular - for instance, the reports - some of them are non-functional due to changes in Koha over time. I wouldn't want to completely dump them, but it would be a lot of work to clear out the broken ones. Elaine VWML <https://vwml.org> On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 9:15 AM Galen Charlton <gmc@equinoxinitiative.org> wrote:
Hi,
On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 11:48 AM Caroline Cyr-La-Rose < caroline.cyr-la-rose@inlibro.com> wrote:
- Should we continue with a more recent version of MediaWiki or change the software?
I can commit to doing an in-place MediaWiki upgrade over the next six weeks, but, read on...
It has been argued that maybe MediaWiki is a bit to complex for our needs. DokuWiki (https://www.dokuwiki.org/dokuwiki) was cited as an option, but it's apparently too light and one needs to learn the special syntax.
In the long run, I'd be in favor of our giving serious consideration to migrating to DokuWiki.
- Would you be in favor of starting over?
I think there would be a lot of benefit to archiving the current wiki and starting fresh, but there's definitely some content that should not only be brought over to a new platform, but have URL redirects put in place. I'm thinking of things like the SQL and jQuery libraries in particular.
Regards,
Galen -- Galen Charlton Implementation and Services Manager Equinox Open Library Initiative phone: 1-877-OPEN-ILS (673-6457) email: gmc@equinoxInitiative.org web: https://equinoxInitiative.org direct: +1 770-709-5581 cell: +1 404-984-4366 _______________________________________________
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In the long run, I'd be in favor of our giving serious consideration to migrating to DokuWiki.
Can you explain why? :) Le mer. 10 mars 2021 à 18:15, Galen Charlton <gmc@equinoxinitiative.org> a écrit :
Hi,
On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 11:48 AM Caroline Cyr-La-Rose < caroline.cyr-la-rose@inlibro.com> wrote:
- Should we continue with a more recent version of MediaWiki or change the software?
I can commit to doing an in-place MediaWiki upgrade over the next six weeks, but, read on...
It has been argued that maybe MediaWiki is a bit to complex for our needs. DokuWiki (https://www.dokuwiki.org/dokuwiki) was cited as an option, but it's apparently too light and one needs to learn the special syntax.
In the long run, I'd be in favor of our giving serious consideration to migrating to DokuWiki.
- Would you be in favor of starting over?
I think there would be a lot of benefit to archiving the current wiki and starting fresh, but there's definitely some content that should not only be brought over to a new platform, but have URL redirects put in place. I'm thinking of things like the SQL and jQuery libraries in particular.
Regards,
Galen -- Galen Charlton Implementation and Services Manager Equinox Open Library Initiative phone: 1-877-OPEN-ILS (673-6457) email: gmc@equinoxInitiative.org web: https://equinoxInitiative.org direct: +1 770-709-5581 cell: +1 404-984-4366 _______________________________________________
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Hi, On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 1:14 PM Jonathan Druart < jonathan.druart@bugs.koha-community.org> wrote:
In the long run, I'd be in favor of our giving serious consideration to migrating to DokuWiki.
Can you explain why? :)
Rather less overhead; I find the editing tools a bit easier to use; the plugin ecosystem is healthy but not overwhelming; it's a bit easier to organize pages into namespaces. Regards, Galen -- Galen Charlton Implementation and Services Manager Equinox Open Library Initiative phone: 1-877-OPEN-ILS (673-6457) email: gmc@equinoxInitiative.org web: https://equinoxInitiative.org direct: +1 770-709-5581 cell: +1 404-984-4366
Migration steps (MediaWiki upgrade or another engine) could be: - provide an archived version of the current wiki (eg. at old-wiki.koha-community.org) - Upgrade (or migrate, there are migration scripts to dokuwiki [1]) to not lose the history, authors, etc. - Remove all the pages we don't want because obsolete or duplicate (we would keep content like the SQL and jQuery pages, even if not up-to-date and need work) - Pages that have been deleted would be automatically re-created on the new wiki with a link pointing to the archived page [2] (seems relatively easy to script) - In case of a new we may need to add a redirect at the webserver level - Clean and improve everything :) [1] https://www.dokuwiki.org/tips:mediawiki_to_dokuwiki_converter [2] "This content has been deleted but you can still access it [https://old-wiki/page there]" Le mer. 10 mars 2021 à 18:15, Galen Charlton <gmc@equinoxinitiative.org> a écrit :
Hi,
On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 11:48 AM Caroline Cyr-La-Rose < caroline.cyr-la-rose@inlibro.com> wrote:
- Should we continue with a more recent version of MediaWiki or change the software?
I can commit to doing an in-place MediaWiki upgrade over the next six weeks, but, read on...
It has been argued that maybe MediaWiki is a bit to complex for our needs. DokuWiki (https://www.dokuwiki.org/dokuwiki) was cited as an option, but it's apparently too light and one needs to learn the special syntax.
In the long run, I'd be in favor of our giving serious consideration to migrating to DokuWiki.
- Would you be in favor of starting over?
I think there would be a lot of benefit to archiving the current wiki and starting fresh, but there's definitely some content that should not only be brought over to a new platform, but have URL redirects put in place. I'm thinking of things like the SQL and jQuery libraries in particular.
Regards,
Galen -- Galen Charlton Implementation and Services Manager Equinox Open Library Initiative phone: 1-877-OPEN-ILS (673-6457) email: gmc@equinoxInitiative.org web: https://equinoxInitiative.org direct: +1 770-709-5581 cell: +1 404-984-4366 _______________________________________________
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Hi On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 1:26 PM Jonathan Druart < jonathan.druart@bugs.koha-community.org> wrote:
Migration steps (MediaWiki upgrade or another engine) could be: - provide an archived version of the current wiki (eg. at old-wiki.koha-community.org) - Upgrade (or migrate, there are migration scripts to dokuwiki [1]) to not lose the history, authors, etc.
That makes sense to me, but given the proposal to keep an archived version around, I suggest considering being selective about what is migrated. I.e., rather than migrate everything by default, identify the pages that we care most about and only bring over those -- otherwise, plans of removing outdated content might fall by the wayside. Regards, Galen -- Galen Charlton Implementation and Services Manager Equinox Open Library Initiative phone: 1-877-OPEN-ILS (673-6457) email: gmc@equinoxInitiative.org web: https://equinoxInitiative.org direct: +1 770-709-5581 cell: +1 404-984-4366
Hello, we use Wiki.js for one project. Use Markdown or Plain HTML. Migration from MediaWiki will be ready soon. We love backup into GIT or cloud, 2FA and very powerful search engines to choose, ES is supported. Take a look on project website https://js.wiki/ BR Michal st 10. 3. 2021 v 20:53 odesílatel Galen Charlton <gmc@equinoxinitiative.org> napsal:
Hi
On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 1:26 PM Jonathan Druart < jonathan.druart@bugs.koha-community.org> wrote:
Migration steps (MediaWiki upgrade or another engine) could be: - provide an archived version of the current wiki (eg. at old-wiki.koha-community.org) - Upgrade (or migrate, there are migration scripts to dokuwiki [1]) to not lose the history, authors, etc.
That makes sense to me, but given the proposal to keep an archived version around, I suggest considering being selective about what is migrated. I.e., rather than migrate everything by default, identify the pages that we care most about and only bring over those -- otherwise, plans of removing outdated content might fall by the wayside.
Regards,
Galen -- Galen Charlton Implementation and Services Manager Equinox Open Library Initiative phone: 1-877-OPEN-ILS (673-6457) email: gmc@equinoxInitiative.org web: https://equinoxInitiative.org direct: +1 770-709-5581 cell: +1 404-984-4366 _______________________________________________
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Hi :) http://irc.koha-community.org/koha/2021-06-16#i_2359494 The topic came up in today's meeting. Cheers, -- Victor Grousset/tuxayo
participants (7)
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Caroline Cyr-La-Rose -
Elaine Bradtke -
Galen Charlton -
Jonathan Druart -
Mike D. -
rogan.hamby＠gmail.com -
Victor Grousset/tuxayo