Re: [Koha] Koha and RFID
Smartstation Circ Manager Jason Burds I.T. Supervisor Carnegie-Stout Public Library (563)589-4229 -----Original Message----- From: Aaron Sakovich [mailto:asakovich@hmcpl.org] Sent: Thursday, January 8, 2015 2:19 PM To: Jason M. Burds Cc: koha@lists.katipo.co.nz Subject: Re: [Koha] Koha and RFID Do you know what the name of this program is? They've not told us a thing about it, but it really sounds like something we might be able to use. Aaron -- Aaron Sakovich Internet and Technology Services manager Huntsville-Madison County Public Library 915 Monroe St, Huntsville AL 35801 http://hmcpl.org/ -- asakovich@hmcpl.org
On Jan 8, 2015, at 1:02 PM, Jason M. Burds <JBurds@dubuque.lib.ia.us> wrote:
They have a new staff circ program that does multiple items check in and check out.
SIP definitely times out with the new program. We haven't had an issue with the gates timing out.
With the new program, you can checkin/checkout up to 10 items at time, if the pad is strong enough.
Jason Burds I.T. Supervisor Carnegie-Stout Public Library (563)589-4229
-----Original Message----- From: Aaron Sakovich [mailto:asakovich@hmcpl.org] Sent: Thursday, January 8, 2015 12:52 PM To: Jason M. Burds Cc: koha@lists.katipo.co.nz Subject: Re: [Koha] Koha and RFID
We also use RFID and Bibliotheca, though I will say up front, we are sorely disappointed with Bibliotheca's service. We've had tickets opened for weeks with no activity on them (the latest: they said they were waiting to install a self-check until they found out what ILS we were running. For the record, we've been on Koha for nearly a year, and have 5 branches using their kit already.)
We can only check items in/out one at a time at a staff workstation. The Self Check Kiosks can handle stacks of easily up to 7 items at a time for checkouts.
We are in on a CheckIn page AJAX development ByWater is managing for us that will allow for multiple items on a staff workstation's RFID pad. The recent changes to the CheckOut page AJAX-ifying the process was a big help, though we're still limited to 1 item at a time (but now, much faster).
And the SIP settings on the kiosks and workstations? We bumped the Koha timeouts up to about 5 minutes and have the Bibliotheca kit sending SC messages once every 4-1/2 minutes. Even with well over 60 systems throughout the county, we don't ever have to restart our server except under very unusual and exceptional thrashing...
Aaron -- Aaron Sakovich Internet and Technology Services manager Huntsville-Madison County Public Library 915 Monroe St, Huntsville AL 35801 http://hmcpl.org/ -- asakovich@hmcpl.org
On Jan 7, 2015, at 5:01 PM, Jason M. Burds <JBurds@dubuque.lib.ia.us> wrote:
We are in the end stages of a long and painful RFID migration. To answer your question, SIP makes checkouts and check-ins work much faster.
We chose Bibliotheca for our vendor. They do have a Circ manager software that will connect with SIP and allow for multiple items checking in and out. Our staff still has to bring up the patrons account in Koha to verify holds and overdues. There are many bugs with it but overall it functions most of the time.
Warning about Bibliotheca and Koha 1. SIP connections are tremendous and will eventually lockup your SIP server with flood messages. We have to restart SIP server every morning, to clear out log files. 2. RFID pads are not powerful and will disappoint you, expect to have to shuffle items to get them to read. 3. Gates cannot detect DVD's with Stingray tags when the gate is set to only alarm on outgoing traffic. You need bidirectional detection. This may be important on how you tag your collection and how you plan your implementation. 4. Inventory device needs to run on Windows 7. Good luck with anyone with a new PC in the last 2 years. OS on inventory device is an old windows palm OS. We are still waiting for a replacement for one that came bad out of the box, 2 months after receiving it.
Not to be overly negative about them, they do have a few good support staff and a programmer David who is excellent.
In addition, we have Tech Logic self-checks that are near perfect on detection and RFID pads are 50% stronger. Makes me wish we would have spent the money and went with them 100%.
Good luck and if you have any questions let me know.
Jason Burds I.T. Supervisor Carnegie-Stout Public Library (563)589-4229
-----Original Message----- From: Koha [mailto:koha-bounces@lists.katipo.co.nz] On Behalf Of Liz Rea Sent: Wednesday, January 7, 2015 1:07 PM To: koha@lists.katipo.co.nz Subject: Re: [Koha] Koha and RFID
It would be awesome if all replies to this email could come to the list, so that we can make a FAQ for the website.
Cheers, Liz Rea
On 31/12/14 07:04, Keener, Nancy wrote:
Our library is considering RFID in our near future. Are there any Koha libraries out there using RFID? Does SIP limit RFID functionality? And finally, what vendor did you choose?
Nancy Keener Systems Librarian I.T.O.S.C. Chair Washoe County Library System Reno, Nevada 775 327-8347 nkeener@washoecounty.us
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Check out Tech-Logic at http://www.tech-logic.com Things have been going pretty well with us, after the bumps were smoothed out a few years ago! Scott Kushner Systems Librarian Middletown Public Library 55 New Monmouth Rd Middletown, NJ 07748 -----Original Message----- From: Koha [mailto:koha-bounces@lists.katipo.co.nz] On Behalf Of Jason M. Burds Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2015 3:28 PM To: Aaron Sakovich Cc: koha@lists.katipo.co.nz Subject: Re: [Koha] Koha and RFID Smartstation Circ Manager Jason Burds I.T. Supervisor Carnegie-Stout Public Library (563)589-4229 -----Original Message----- From: Aaron Sakovich [mailto:asakovich@hmcpl.org] Sent: Thursday, January 8, 2015 2:19 PM To: Jason M. Burds Cc: koha@lists.katipo.co.nz Subject: Re: [Koha] Koha and RFID Do you know what the name of this program is? They've not told us a thing about it, but it really sounds like something we might be able to use. Aaron -- Aaron Sakovich Internet and Technology Services manager Huntsville-Madison County Public Library 915 Monroe St, Huntsville AL 35801 http://hmcpl.org/ -- asakovich@hmcpl.org
On Jan 8, 2015, at 1:02 PM, Jason M. Burds <JBurds@dubuque.lib.ia.us> wrote:
They have a new staff circ program that does multiple items check in and check out.
SIP definitely times out with the new program. We haven't had an issue with the gates timing out.
With the new program, you can checkin/checkout up to 10 items at time, if the pad is strong enough.
Jason Burds I.T. Supervisor Carnegie-Stout Public Library (563)589-4229
-----Original Message----- From: Aaron Sakovich [mailto:asakovich@hmcpl.org] Sent: Thursday, January 8, 2015 12:52 PM To: Jason M. Burds Cc: koha@lists.katipo.co.nz Subject: Re: [Koha] Koha and RFID
We also use RFID and Bibliotheca, though I will say up front, we are sorely disappointed with Bibliotheca's service. We've had tickets opened for weeks with no activity on them (the latest: they said they were waiting to install a self-check until they found out what ILS we were running. For the record, we've been on Koha for nearly a year, and have 5 branches using their kit already.)
We can only check items in/out one at a time at a staff workstation. The Self Check Kiosks can handle stacks of easily up to 7 items at a time for checkouts.
We are in on a CheckIn page AJAX development ByWater is managing for us that will allow for multiple items on a staff workstation's RFID pad. The recent changes to the CheckOut page AJAX-ifying the process was a big help, though we're still limited to 1 item at a time (but now, much faster).
And the SIP settings on the kiosks and workstations? We bumped the Koha timeouts up to about 5 minutes and have the Bibliotheca kit sending SC messages once every 4-1/2 minutes. Even with well over 60 systems throughout the county, we don't ever have to restart our server except under very unusual and exceptional thrashing...
Aaron -- Aaron Sakovich Internet and Technology Services manager Huntsville-Madison County Public Library 915 Monroe St, Huntsville AL 35801 http://hmcpl.org/ -- asakovich@hmcpl.org
On Jan 7, 2015, at 5:01 PM, Jason M. Burds <JBurds@dubuque.lib.ia.us> wrote:
We are in the end stages of a long and painful RFID migration. To answer your question, SIP makes checkouts and check-ins work much faster.
We chose Bibliotheca for our vendor. They do have a Circ manager software that will connect with SIP and allow for multiple items checking in and out. Our staff still has to bring up the patrons account in Koha to verify holds and overdues. There are many bugs with it but overall it functions most of the time.
Warning about Bibliotheca and Koha 1. SIP connections are tremendous and will eventually lockup your SIP server with flood messages. We have to restart SIP server every morning, to clear out log files. 2. RFID pads are not powerful and will disappoint you, expect to have to shuffle items to get them to read. 3. Gates cannot detect DVD's with Stingray tags when the gate is set to only alarm on outgoing traffic. You need bidirectional detection. This may be important on how you tag your collection and how you plan your implementation. 4. Inventory device needs to run on Windows 7. Good luck with anyone with a new PC in the last 2 years. OS on inventory device is an old windows palm OS. We are still waiting for a replacement for one that came bad out of the box, 2 months after receiving it.
Not to be overly negative about them, they do have a few good support staff and a programmer David who is excellent.
In addition, we have Tech Logic self-checks that are near perfect on detection and RFID pads are 50% stronger. Makes me wish we would have spent the money and went with them 100%.
Good luck and if you have any questions let me know.
Jason Burds I.T. Supervisor Carnegie-Stout Public Library (563)589-4229
-----Original Message----- From: Koha [mailto:koha-bounces@lists.katipo.co.nz] On Behalf Of Liz Rea Sent: Wednesday, January 7, 2015 1:07 PM To: koha@lists.katipo.co.nz Subject: Re: [Koha] Koha and RFID
It would be awesome if all replies to this email could come to the list, so that we can make a FAQ for the website.
Cheers, Liz Rea
On 31/12/14 07:04, Keener, Nancy wrote:
Our library is considering RFID in our near future. Are there any Koha libraries out there using RFID? Does SIP limit RFID functionality? And finally, what vendor did you choose?
Nancy Keener Systems Librarian I.T.O.S.C. Chair Washoe County Library System Reno, Nevada 775 327-8347 nkeener@washoecounty.us
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We are about to implement RFID with 3M. So far, in test mode, everything is working well, though we experienced some very long checkout times (Koha taking a long time to record the checkout of materials). If anyone implemented RFID with 3M, I would be grateful for any comments or advice on any issues to watch out for. Regards, Sebastian -- Sebastian Hierl, Ph.D. Drue Heinz Librarian, Arthur & Janet C. Ross Library American Academy in Rome Via Angelo Masina 5 00153 Rome Italy T: +39 06 5846 417 F: +39 06 5810 788 On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 9:27 PM, Jason M. Burds <JBurds@dubuque.lib.ia.us> wrote:
Smartstation Circ Manager
Jason Burds I.T. Supervisor Carnegie-Stout Public Library (563)589-4229
-----Original Message----- From: Aaron Sakovich [mailto:asakovich@hmcpl.org] Sent: Thursday, January 8, 2015 2:19 PM To: Jason M. Burds Cc: koha@lists.katipo.co.nz Subject: Re: [Koha] Koha and RFID
Do you know what the name of this program is? They've not told us a thing about it, but it really sounds like something we might be able to use.
Aaron -- Aaron Sakovich Internet and Technology Services manager Huntsville-Madison County Public Library 915 Monroe St, Huntsville AL 35801 http://hmcpl.org/ -- asakovich@hmcpl.org
On Jan 8, 2015, at 1:02 PM, Jason M. Burds <JBurds@dubuque.lib.ia.us> wrote:
They have a new staff circ program that does multiple items check in and check out.
SIP definitely times out with the new program. We haven't had an issue with the gates timing out.
With the new program, you can checkin/checkout up to 10 items at time, if the pad is strong enough.
Jason Burds I.T. Supervisor Carnegie-Stout Public Library (563)589-4229
-----Original Message----- From: Aaron Sakovich [mailto:asakovich@hmcpl.org] Sent: Thursday, January 8, 2015 12:52 PM To: Jason M. Burds Cc: koha@lists.katipo.co.nz Subject: Re: [Koha] Koha and RFID
We also use RFID and Bibliotheca, though I will say up front, we are sorely disappointed with Bibliotheca's service. We've had tickets opened for weeks with no activity on them (the latest: they said they were waiting to install a self-check until they found out what ILS we were running. For the record, we've been on Koha for nearly a year, and have 5 branches using their kit already.)
We can only check items in/out one at a time at a staff workstation. The Self Check Kiosks can handle stacks of easily up to 7 items at a time for checkouts.
We are in on a CheckIn page AJAX development ByWater is managing for us that will allow for multiple items on a staff workstation's RFID pad. The recent changes to the CheckOut page AJAX-ifying the process was a big help, though we're still limited to 1 item at a time (but now, much faster).
And the SIP settings on the kiosks and workstations? We bumped the Koha timeouts up to about 5 minutes and have the Bibliotheca kit sending SC messages once every 4-1/2 minutes. Even with well over 60 systems throughout the county, we don't ever have to restart our server except under very unusual and exceptional thrashing...
Aaron -- Aaron Sakovich Internet and Technology Services manager Huntsville-Madison County Public Library 915 Monroe St, Huntsville AL 35801 http://hmcpl.org/ -- asakovich@hmcpl.org
On Jan 7, 2015, at 5:01 PM, Jason M. Burds <JBurds@dubuque.lib.ia.us> wrote:
We are in the end stages of a long and painful RFID migration. To answer your question, SIP makes checkouts and check-ins work much faster.
We chose Bibliotheca for our vendor. They do have a Circ manager software that will connect with SIP and allow for multiple items checking in and out. Our staff still has to bring up the patrons account in Koha to verify holds and overdues. There are many bugs with it but overall it functions most of the time.
Warning about Bibliotheca and Koha 1. SIP connections are tremendous and will eventually lockup your SIP server with flood messages. We have to restart SIP server every morning, to clear out log files. 2. RFID pads are not powerful and will disappoint you, expect to have to shuffle items to get them to read. 3. Gates cannot detect DVD's with Stingray tags when the gate is set to only alarm on outgoing traffic. You need bidirectional detection. This may be important on how you tag your collection and how you plan your implementation. 4. Inventory device needs to run on Windows 7. Good luck with anyone with a new PC in the last 2 years. OS on inventory device is an old windows palm OS. We are still waiting for a replacement for one that came bad out of the box, 2 months after receiving it.
Not to be overly negative about them, they do have a few good support staff and a programmer David who is excellent.
In addition, we have Tech Logic self-checks that are near perfect on detection and RFID pads are 50% stronger. Makes me wish we would have spent the money and went with them 100%.
Good luck and if you have any questions let me know.
Jason Burds I.T. Supervisor Carnegie-Stout Public Library (563)589-4229
-----Original Message----- From: Koha [mailto:koha-bounces@lists.katipo.co.nz] On Behalf Of Liz Rea Sent: Wednesday, January 7, 2015 1:07 PM To: koha@lists.katipo.co.nz Subject: Re: [Koha] Koha and RFID
It would be awesome if all replies to this email could come to the list, so that we can make a FAQ for the website.
Cheers, Liz Rea
On 31/12/14 07:04, Keener, Nancy wrote:
Our library is considering RFID in our near future. Are there any Koha libraries out there using RFID? Does SIP limit RFID functionality? And finally, what vendor did you choose?
Nancy Keener Systems Librarian I.T.O.S.C. Chair Washoe County Library System Reno, Nevada 775 327-8347 nkeener@washoecounty.us
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On Thu, Jan 08, 2015 at 10:05:11PM +0100, Sebastian Hierl wrote:
If anyone implemented RFID with 3M, I would be grateful for any comments or advice on any issues to watch out for.
I've done it (not with Koha but with another product) and it was fairly straightforward. Colin -- Colin Campbell Chief Software Engineer, PTFS Europe Limited Content Management and Library Solutions +44 (0) 800 756 6803 (phone) +44 (0) 7759 633626 (mobile) colin.campbell@ptfs-europe.com skype: colin_campbell2 http://www.ptfs-europe.com
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