Friday, September 17, 2004 15:05 CDT Hi, Stephen et al., Just have to say: BRAVO, STEPHEN! I couldn't have said it better myself. And for Michael and the others who don't already know it: OCLC -- and I know this from practicum at what has become one of their cataloguing branches, where a lib tech friend of mine still works, following the same procedures I was taught when on my field placement, so I know this continues -- ***OCLC uses copy cataloguing techniques all the time.*** They think nothing of taking LC or NLC records or pillaging various consortia and then turning around and charging money for the records that could easily have been derived by in-house cataloguing staff in the same way!!! They have excellent cataloguers, to be sure, and they do create superb primary cataloguing, but the proprietary scripting they use to modify existing records quickly to keep up their productivity can be achieved by any dedicated cataloguing staff anywhere. As my cataloguing mentor said, it makes one consider what outsourcing is really about. Steven F. Baljkas library tech at large Koha neophyte Winnipeg, MB, Canada

From: "Stephen Hedges" <shedges@skemotah.com> Date: 2004/09/17 Fri AM 07:51:25 CDT To: "Koha Listserv" <koha@lists.katipo.co.nz> Subject: [Koha] Z39.50 and MARC (was Re: Questions about Koha)

OK, now Michael has gone and pushed one of my buttons! Brace yourselves for a rant!

MARC records do not belong to OCLC. They are not copyrighted by OCLC. They are not the intellectual property of OCLC. Why? Because OCLC did not create them -- _librarians_ did! So they belong to librarians. OCLC's attempted restrictions on the use of MARC records are just a corporate bluff!

Z39.50 is the library-world's early (and somewhat clunky) version of Napster-style file sharing. Until there's something better out there for us to share our cataloging work with one another, we should not be ashamed to use Z39.50. And we should never let some company dictate to us from their multi-story buildings in Dublin, Ohio what we can do with our MARC records.

(Just for the record, I have some respected friends who work for OCLC, and the company does some good things. But fostering the mind-set that we can't share our work with one another is not one of them.)

Stephen

Michael Watson said:

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The other problem with Z39.50 is that I know that some libraries consider it very poor form to do Z39.50 "record nabbing", since they may have had to pay for those MARC records from a source such as OCLC. I know that in the consortium to which our library belongs, the operational rules do specify that no member library will use Z39.50 to get catalog records without permission from the "target" library. -----Original Message----- From: koha-admin@lists.katipo.co.nz [mailto:koha-admin@lists.katipo.co.nz]On Behalf Of BWS Johnson Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 6:23 AM To: koha@lists.katipo.co.nz Subject: Re: Re: [Koha] Re: Questions about Koha

Salvete!

I would once again like to stress that Z39.50 is a nice place to visit, but I wouldn't want to live there. It's kind of like that old game show with the curtains. You really should look at the records you end up with, which to me means that you may as well find the one most suited to your needs by hand in the first place.

Point number 2 - since you're automating a rather small collection, I would certainly recommend Koha. I've entered about 2600 bibliographic records and about 1900 patron records. Phew! I have about 7,000 bibliographic or so to go. I've been working at automating since about last February.

Point number 3 - Library of Congress stinks for records for Kid's Stuff. I use Access Pennsylvania or Maine Infonet or in a real pinch Ohio Link. All of these can be found on the Free MARC page brought to you by SKCLS.

http://skyways.lib.ks.us/sckls/sysserv/tutorials/marc/freemarc.html

If you type "Free MARC" into google, that will get you there, too. The great thing about that page is that they give you instructions on how to get the records themselves.

Watch for redundant tags with Access Pennsylvania. Doesn't happen often, but it does happen.

It is really, really worth it. Oooooh so much better than cards.

Brooke @ Hinsdale MA

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