I'd like to take an informal survey to get some ideas from the Koha-using community. My library has never done the bulk of its cataloging within Koha. We switched to Koha from a system which didn't have a good cataloging module, so our catalogers have always been most comfortable with their separate cataloging tools. However, we're always looking for ideas for improving our workflow. Koha users, are you doing all your cataloging within Koha? If not, what are you using? -- Owen -- Web Developer Athens County Public Libraries http://www.myacpl.org
In Hanover, we are cataloguing everything in Koha. Most records are imported individually using the Z39.50 search, and a few are created by copying and editing a similar record from our database (e.g. large print editions). Several other libraries in our group pay their book suppliers to provide a file of MARC records for the items they purchase, which are then imported with Stage MARC records for import, and then edited with local info. Some even have the book supplier add 952 fields with their local branch, item type code, callnumber and barcode number. As far as I know, none of our group are using Biblios to create or copy the records, but that is an option we are aware of. HTH Agnes Owen Leonard wrote:
I'd like to take an informal survey to get some ideas from the Koha-using community. My library has never done the bulk of its cataloging within Koha. We switched to Koha from a system which didn't have a good cataloging module, so our catalogers have always been most comfortable with their separate cataloging tools. However, we're always looking for ideas for improving our workflow.
Koha users, are you doing all your cataloging within Koha? If not, what are you using?
-- Owen
-- Agnes Rivers-Moore Assistant Librarian Hanover Public Library
I am not working in a library obviously, but based on my training it sounded like a lot of libraries did their cataloging in Connexion and then import to Koha. As a cataloger (in my past life) I personally do not find the Koha cataloging tool to have an easy to use interface for quick cataloging. I used to catalog without ever touching my mouse and I can't do that in Koha - I also could easily add fields and duplicate fields (etc) with keyboard shortcuts. Biblios was a step in this direction, but never made it. If I had the skills or money I'd re-write the cataloging tool in Koha :( Nicole On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 2:31 PM, Agnes Rivers-Moore <arm@hanover.ca> wrote:
In Hanover, we are cataloguing everything in Koha. Most records are imported individually using the Z39.50 search, and a few are created by copying and editing a similar record from our database (e.g. large print editions). Several other libraries in our group pay their book suppliers to provide a file of MARC records for the items they purchase, which are then imported with Stage MARC records for import, and then edited with local info. Some even have the book supplier add 952 fields with their local branch, item type code, callnumber and barcode number. As far as I know, none of our group are using Biblios to create or copy the records, but that is an option we are aware of. HTH Agnes
Owen Leonard wrote:
I'd like to take an informal survey to get some ideas from the Koha-using community. My library has never done the bulk of its cataloging within Koha. We switched to Koha from a system which didn't have a good cataloging module, so our catalogers have always been most comfortable with their separate cataloging tools. However, we're always looking for ideas for improving our workflow.
Koha users, are you doing all your cataloging within Koha? If not, what are you using?
-- Owen
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We typically download records in bulk from our State Library's Union Catalog (New Hampshire), then edit as needed using MarcEdit before importing into Koha. The State Library uses a Dynix system which makes it easy to save records to a list & then export in MARC format. For one-off jobs we import the records individually using Koha's Z39.50 tool. Cab Vinton, Director Sanbornton Public Library Sanbornton, NH
Plano ISD - I find records in Biblios and other Z target locations and generally export them out of Biblios. Biblios still has a problem with & issues. We generally import them into MarcEdit for editing as it is more of a notepad editor and has LOTS more features etc... I've been able to make a connection with MarcEdit to Koha and played some with that, but havn't actually done anything further as far as pushing them back to Koha after the edit etc via Z3950 - which from my understanding of Terry's weblog can be done. I know MarcEdit is not fully open source, but sure is a great cataloging tool! The only main drawback I have when doing original cataloging in MarcEdit is there is no authority file to automatically pull in the authorities etc... but then again the authority file in Koha is questionable anyway. More than you probably wanted to know. David Schuster Cab Vinton wrote:
We typically download records in bulk from our State Library's Union Catalog (New Hampshire), then edit as needed using MarcEdit before importing into Koha.
The State Library uses a Dynix system which makes it easy to save records to a list & then export in MARC format.
For one-off jobs we import the records individually using Koha's Z39.50 tool.
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My library does our cataloging in Connexion, then exports/imports into Koha. This is not without its difficulties, but the Connexion interface is preferred by our catalogers for the reasons Nicole mentioned. I've set up OCLC as a Z39.50 client using the documentation they provide, so it would be possible to work exclusively in Koha, but with the current interface, it's not as practical for large cataloging volumes. I've gotten some documentation from OCLC on how to set up a Gateway Client, which would allow our catalogers to just press F5 in Connexion, and have the record automagically added to Koha. Obviously this is a bit of development work, and is not my current highest priority, but it would be feasible someday. I'd be happy to talk with other developers about this, though I think the better idea would be to focus on enhancing the Koha cataloging interface first. Cheers, Ian Walls Systems Integration Librarian NYU Health Sciences Libraries 550 First Ave., New York, NY 10016 (212) 263-8687 -----Original Message----- From: koha-bounces@lists.katipo.co.nz [mailto:koha-bounces@lists.katipo.co.nz] On Behalf Of Nicole Engard Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 4:05 PM To: Agnes Rivers-Moore Cc: Koha List Subject: Re: [Koha] Cataloging workflow I am not working in a library obviously, but based on my training it sounded like a lot of libraries did their cataloging in Connexion and then import to Koha. As a cataloger (in my past life) I personally do not find the Koha cataloging tool to have an easy to use interface for quick cataloging. I used to catalog without ever touching my mouse and I can't do that in Koha - I also could easily add fields and duplicate fields (etc) with keyboard shortcuts. Biblios was a step in this direction, but never made it. If I had the skills or money I'd re-write the cataloging tool in Koha :( Nicole On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 2:31 PM, Agnes Rivers-Moore <arm@hanover.ca> wrote:
In Hanover, we are cataloguing everything in Koha. Most records are imported individually using the Z39.50 search, and a few are created by copying and editing a similar record from our database (e.g. large print editions). Several other libraries in our group pay their book suppliers to provide a file of MARC records for the items they purchase, which are then imported with Stage MARC records for import, and then edited with local info. Some even have the book supplier add 952 fields with their local branch, item type code, callnumber and barcode number. As far as I know, none of our group are using Biblios to create or copy the records, but that is an option we are aware of. HTH Agnes
Owen Leonard wrote:
I'd like to take an informal survey to get some ideas from the Koha-using community. My library has never done the bulk of its cataloging within Koha. We switched to Koha from a system which didn't have a good cataloging module, so our catalogers have always been most comfortable with their separate cataloging tools. However, we're always looking for ideas for improving our workflow.
Koha users, are you doing all your cataloging within Koha? If not, what are you using?
-- Owen
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Since we're on the topic, I've had librarians ask me if they can catalog in formats other than MARC - which would be possible if the editor weren't so static - if the user could add fields and format them on the fly like I can in Connexion and some other cataloging tools. I'm willing to work closely with a developer if they want to make some improvements - like I said if I had the skills I'd do it myself - maybe it will be the first thing I do after taking a Perl class!! Nicole On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 4:18 PM, Walls, Ian <Ian.Walls@med.nyu.edu> wrote:
My library does our cataloging in Connexion, then exports/imports into Koha. This is not without its difficulties, but the Connexion interface is preferred by our catalogers for the reasons Nicole mentioned. I've set up OCLC as a Z39.50 client using the documentation they provide, so it would be possible to work exclusively in Koha, but with the current interface, it's not as practical for large cataloging volumes.
I've gotten some documentation from OCLC on how to set up a Gateway Client, which would allow our catalogers to just press F5 in Connexion, and have the record automagically added to Koha. Obviously this is a bit of development work, and is not my current highest priority, but it would be feasible someday. I'd be happy to talk with other developers about this, though I think the better idea would be to focus on enhancing the Koha cataloging interface first.
Cheers,
Ian Walls Systems Integration Librarian NYU Health Sciences Libraries 550 First Ave., New York, NY 10016 (212) 263-8687
-----Original Message----- From: koha-bounces@lists.katipo.co.nz [mailto:koha-bounces@lists.katipo.co.nz] On Behalf Of Nicole Engard Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 4:05 PM To: Agnes Rivers-Moore Cc: Koha List Subject: Re: [Koha] Cataloging workflow
I am not working in a library obviously, but based on my training it sounded like a lot of libraries did their cataloging in Connexion and then import to Koha. As a cataloger (in my past life) I personally do not find the Koha cataloging tool to have an easy to use interface for quick cataloging. I used to catalog without ever touching my mouse and I can't do that in Koha - I also could easily add fields and duplicate fields (etc) with keyboard shortcuts. Biblios was a step in this direction, but never made it. If I had the skills or money I'd re-write the cataloging tool in Koha :(
Nicole
On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 2:31 PM, Agnes Rivers-Moore <arm@hanover.ca> wrote:
In Hanover, we are cataloguing everything in Koha. Most records are imported individually using the Z39.50 search, and a few are created by copying and editing a similar record from our database (e.g. large print editions). Several other libraries in our group pay their book suppliers to provide a file of MARC records for the items they purchase, which are then imported with Stage MARC records for import, and then edited with local info. Some even have the book supplier add 952 fields with their local branch, item type code, callnumber and barcode number. As far as I know, none of our group are using Biblios to create or copy the records, but that is an option we are aware of. HTH Agnes
Owen Leonard wrote:
I'd like to take an informal survey to get some ideas from the Koha-using community. My library has never done the bulk of its cataloging within Koha. We switched to Koha from a system which didn't have a good cataloging module, so our catalogers have always been most comfortable with their separate cataloging tools. However, we're always looking for ideas for improving our workflow.
Koha users, are you doing all your cataloging within Koha? If not, what are you using?
-- Owen
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HLT do their cataloging in Koha - have cc'd Jo so that she can coment further. I think the backward step for them work flow wise was one of the things that has been a disincentive to upgrading in the past cheers Rachel Owen Leonard wrote:
I'd like to take an informal survey to get some ideas from the Koha-using community. My library has never done the bulk of its cataloging within Koha. We switched to Koha from a system which didn't have a good cataloging module, so our catalogers have always been most comfortable with their separate cataloging tools. However, we're always looking for ideas for improving our workflow.
Koha users, are you doing all your cataloging within Koha? If not, what are you using?
-- Owen
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Hi owen, Yes we have always catalogued straight into Koha. The caveat though is that we have traditionally been of the quick and dirty school of cataloguing. We are struggling through Koha 3.2 cataloguing because we now have to import marc records in order to unleash the power of Koha more effectively - and its a big learning curve :) We have played with importing records 1 at a time through z39.50 server and that seems to work reasonably well. Is there a better way - low cost that I should know about? I don;t want to have to pay some 3rd party for marc records created by and arguably owned by librarians. If some development time and money needs tobe invested in making this cataloguing process smoother I'd be interested in contributing. Cheers Jo. On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 3:45 AM, Rachel Hamilton-Williams < rachel@katipo.co.nz> wrote:
HLT do their cataloging in Koha - have cc'd Jo so that she can coment further.
I think the backward step for them work flow wise was one of the things that has been a disincentive to upgrading in the past
cheers Rachel
Owen Leonard wrote:
I'd like to take an informal survey to get some ideas from the Koha-using community. My library has never done the bulk of its cataloging within Koha. We switched to Koha from a system which didn't have a good cataloging module, so our catalogers have always been most comfortable with their separate cataloging tools. However, we're always looking for ideas for improving our workflow.
Koha users, are you doing all your cataloging within Koha? If not, what are you using?
-- Owen
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Phone: +64-4-934 1285 Mobile: 021 389 128 E-mail: rachel@katipo.co.nz Web: www.katipo.co.nz
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Many of our vendors supply marc records for our orders at no cost. We just edit them with MarcEdit to add the 952 fields and import them. The catalogers will sometimes overlay more complete marc records from 3rd party sources as some of the vendor records are not as complete as we would like. Susan Bennett ILS System Administrator Geauga County Public Library 440 286-6811 x 125 440 286-7419 FAX 2010/1/6 Joann Ransom <jransom@library.org.nz>
Hi owen,
Yes we have always catalogued straight into Koha. The caveat though is that we have traditionally been of the quick and dirty school of cataloguing. We are struggling through Koha 3.2 cataloguing because we now have to import marc records in order to unleash the power of Koha more effectively - and its a big learning curve :) We have played with importing records 1 at a time through z39.50 server and that seems to work reasonably well. Is there a better way - low cost that I should know about? I don;t want to have to pay some 3rd party for marc records created by and arguably owned by librarians. If some development time and money needs tobe invested in making this cataloguing process smoother I'd be interested in contributing.
Cheers Jo.
On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 3:45 AM, Rachel Hamilton-Williams < rachel@katipo.co.nz> wrote:
HLT do their cataloging in Koha - have cc'd Jo so that she can coment further.
I think the backward step for them work flow wise was one of the things that has been a disincentive to upgrading in the past
cheers Rachel
Owen Leonard wrote:
I'd like to take an informal survey to get some ideas from the Koha-using community. My library has never done the bulk of its cataloging within Koha. We switched to Koha from a system which didn't have a good cataloging module, so our catalogers have always been most comfortable with their separate cataloging tools. However, we're always looking for ideas for improving our workflow.
Koha users, are you doing all your cataloging within Koha? If not, what are you using?
-- Owen
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Phone: +64-4-934 1285 Mobile: 021 389 128 E-mail: rachel@katipo.co.nz Web: www.katipo.co.nz
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Hi. As I undertood some people 1) get marc records, 2) convert them using MarcEdit to an .mrk file, 3) edit with MarcEditor the converted file, 4) apply marcmaker (from Marcedit) to get again a marc file 5) import to Koha. I have a question: what is the difference at step 3) of using MarcEditor or another ascci editor (as notepad++, very powerful and open source). Alejandro Tiraboschi FaMAF-UNC 2010/1/8 Susan Bennett <susan.bennett@geaugalibrary.info>
Many of our vendors supply marc records for our orders at no cost. We just edit them with MarcEdit to add the 952 fields and import them. The catalogers will sometimes overlay more complete marc records from 3rd party sources as some of the vendor records are not as complete as we would like.
Susan Bennett ILS System Administrator Geauga County Public Library 440 286-6811 x 125 440 286-7419 FAX
2010/1/6 Joann Ransom <jransom@library.org.nz>
Hi owen,
Yes we have always catalogued straight into Koha. The caveat though is that we have traditionally been of the quick and dirty school of cataloguing. We are struggling through Koha 3.2 cataloguing because we now have to import marc records in order to unleash the power of Koha more effectively - and its a big learning curve :) We have played with importing records 1 at a time through z39.50 server and that seems to work reasonably well. Is there a better way - low cost that I should know about? I don;t want to have to pay some 3rd party for marc records created by and arguably owned by librarians. If some development time and money needs tobe invested in making this cataloguing process smoother I'd be interested in contributing.
Cheers Jo.
On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 3:45 AM, Rachel Hamilton-Williams < rachel@katipo.co.nz> wrote:
HLT do their cataloging in Koha - have cc'd Jo so that she can coment further.
I think the backward step for them work flow wise was one of the things that has been a disincentive to upgrading in the past
cheers Rachel
Owen Leonard wrote:
I'd like to take an informal survey to get some ideas from the Koha-using community. My library has never done the bulk of its cataloging within Koha. We switched to Koha from a system which didn't have a good cataloging module, so our catalogers have always been most comfortable with their separate cataloging tools. However, we're always looking for ideas for improving our workflow.
Koha users, are you doing all your cataloging within Koha? If not, what are you using?
-- Owen
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Phone: +64-4-934 1285 Mobile: 021 389 128 E-mail: rachel@katipo.co.nz Web: www.katipo.co.nz
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Very few of our small to medium-sized public libraries do anything more than copy cataloging and Koha works fine for them. If we had any academic libraries trying to create original records, it might be a different story. We find 99.9% of the records we need from OCLC or the State Library of Kansas union catalog and our various z-targets. Sharon Moreland NExpress Shared Catalog Northeast Kansas Library System 4317 W. 6th St. Lawrence, KS 66049 On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 1:12 PM, Owen Leonard <oleonard@myacpl.org> wrote:
I'd like to take an informal survey to get some ideas from the Koha-using community. My library has never done the bulk of its cataloging within Koha. We switched to Koha from a system which didn't have a good cataloging module, so our catalogers have always been most comfortable with their separate cataloging tools. However, we're always looking for ideas for improving our workflow.
Koha users, are you doing all your cataloging within Koha? If not, what are you using?
-- Owen
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Owen, Yes, we have always used built in Koha cataloging. Like anything else, it took practice and getting used to. We have cataloged in both Koha 2.2.9/zoom and Koha 3 and after the learning phases the cataloging staff increased efficiency over the previous ILS. We use both the Z39.50 and the bulk import tools and have so since Koha 2.2.9 - Koha 3. The catalogers are pretty fast with the built in editor. Darrell Ulm Owen Leonard-4 wrote:
I'd like to take an informal survey to get some ideas from the Koha-using community. My library has never done the bulk of its cataloging within Koha. We switched to Koha from a system which didn't have a good cataloging module, so our catalogers have always been most comfortable with their separate cataloging tools. However, we're always looking for ideas for improving our workflow.
Koha users, are you doing all your cataloging within Koha? If not, what are you using?
-- Owen
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On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 2:12 PM, Owen Leonard <oleonard@myacpl.org> wrote:
Koha users, are you doing all your cataloging within Koha? If not, what are you using?
The catalogers here are using the cataloging module within Koha. They became pretty quick with it after conquering the learning curve. Most records are imported via the z3950 search with some smaller number being created manually. The main complaint here is the latency introduced by the JS form verification. Kind Regards, Chris
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