and.... my eyebrow raised with good reason..... Unfortunately it seems trouble is indeed afoot. I would move on is while you still can. Thanks, Ed In a message dated 9/11/2009 8:24:17 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, bob@calyx.net.au writes: Chris wrote: "Liblime may tell you otherwise, but their actions speak louder than their words. They haven't involved themselves in the community in months, they have forked the code . No they are not active members of the community, and no, they are not involved in the effort to set up a foundation." They have of course registered a non-profit company called 'Koha Software Foundation'. Unless they agree to hand that over to a foundation formed by the community, then: - a community formed foundation will not be able to use that name; - using a similar name could be subject to challenge by Liblime, at least in the US; and - if 'Koha Software Foundation' becomes active in the future, then there will be two Koha projects competing, for example, for grant funding. A better outcome would be for Liblime to rejoin discussions about formation of a foundation. Bob Birchall