This does, of course, present the perfect opportunity for a strong progressive organization outside the U.S. to step in and become the New Marc Master of the World. -- Greg Lawson Network Administrator Rolling Hills Consolidated Library 1912 N. Belt Highway St. Joseph, MO 64506 ------------------------------------------- On 10/01/2013 06:16 PM, Robin Sheat wrote:

BWS Johnson schreef op ma 30-09-2013 om 11:44 [-0700]:

...

Thanks to our delicate system of "governance" bad stuff might soon happen to Library of Congress sites. So, if you're getting loc.gov related errors, (Such as setting your z39.50 target as LOC) it's not a Koha issue, it's a freggin U.S. government issue. Patches most welcome.

And it looks like it has:

http://www.loc.gov/home2/shutdown-message.html

Good thing I don't need to be doing any MARC conversions right now...oh wait.

tirsdag 1. oktober 2013 skrev glaws følgende:

This does, of course, present the perfect opportunity for a strong progressive organization outside the U.S. to step in and become the New Marc Master of the World.

Or we could take it as an opportunity to leave MARC on the scrap heap of history and embrace current technologies instead... :-) Best regards, Magnus Enger Libriotech.no

Non-professional here, so apologies if these are dumb questions. I'm happy to be pointed at links in the right direction. If I'm understanding correctly, RDA itself is akin to AACR2 in that it contains lists of acceptable terms and how to use them; but different in that it's built on a different data storage framework (FRBR rather than MARC). I gather from reading that Koha will now deal with FRBR and MARC. So, I'm wondering; 1. Are many existing library catalogues doing the complete switch to RDA and FRBR, or are most doing the partial switch that Libraries Australia is doing (RDA on MARC)? 2. Would a switch be something that could be automated easily? Say a script that adapts AACR2 records in Koha to RDA records? 3. Would the Z39.50 server standard still service RDA/FRBR records, or just */MARC records? Probably got some others, but those are the three running around in my head at the moment. Cheers, -ramon. On 03/10/2013, at 02:25 , glaws wrote:

RDA! RDA! RDA! RDA! RDA! RDA!

Greg ==================== On 10/02/2013 01:40 PM, Magnus Enger wrote:

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tirsdag 1. oktober 2013 skrev glaws følgende:

This does, of course, present the perfect opportunity for a strong progressive organization outside the U.S. to step in and become the New Marc Master of the World.

Or we could take it as an opportunity to leave MARC on the scrap heap of history and embrace current technologies instead... :-)

Best regards, Magnus Enger Libriotech.no

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At 12:05 PM 10/3/2013 +1300, Chris Cormack wrote:

* Ramon Andiñach (custard@westnet.com.au) wrote: [snip] Basically I am not a fan of RDA in the slightest, I think it is holding libraries back, not moving them forward.

+1 emphatically

People are bound to disagree with me, and that's the great thing about Koha. They can send patches to implement stuff if they want. But you won't catch me doing any more work on RDA stuff :)

MARC may or may not be "the ultimate", but it works for m|billions of biblio records world wide. Improving, for the sake of ethereal improvement only, what's not broken is normally an expensive pipe-dream. Best - Paul

Maybe what we need to do is to add the requisite fields into the Default framework. It seems to have nearly every possible MARC field already, what's a few more? I had to add some fields into the RDA framework to get it to work for us (we use some of the more archival fields among other things). Since some of our Z39.50 downloads are coming in RDA format, we now have to switch back and forth between the two. Responding to a comment above about RDA being designed by committee. . . A good friend of mine was a committee member (music specialist). Evidently the powers that be ignored a lot of what the committee members (active, experienced catalogers) said about RDA . As far as music goes, RDA doesn't work all that well and rather than sort it out, they just went ahead and launched it over the protests of the committee members. I've polled a variety of colleagues on both sides of the pond. . . Oxford University has implemented it. . . smaller libraries are carrying on with AAACR2, some are creating records in both at the same time (!) and at least one library has told their cataloguers they are not required to learn RDA, but may do so if they wish. We're not implementing it because we can't afford a subscription to the documentation to even see if it will work for us. On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 4:30 PM, Hillyard, Cecil <CHillyard@washoecounty.us> wrote:

One can use MarcEdit to batch edit/add RDA fields to existing records. It will add 33x, 34x, 38x. It will change 260 to 264 and it will expand some abbreviations.

One problem has arisen in 3.12. That if you use frameworks other than default when you export your existing records to MarcEdit, have it do its stuff and them reimport them back into Koha they get reimported as the default framework.

__________________________ Cecil Hillyard Washoe County Library Reno, Nevada

-----Original Message----- From: koha-bounces@lists.katipo.co.nz [mailto:koha-bounces@lists.katipo.co.nz] On Behalf Of Ramon Andiñach Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 3:45 PM To: koha mailing list Subject: [Koha] RDA questions WAS: Re: Flippin' Yanks

Non-professional here, so apologies if these are dumb questions. I'm happy to be pointed at links in the right direction.

If I'm understanding correctly, RDA itself is akin to AACR2 in that it contains lists of acceptable terms and how to use them; but different in that it's built on a different data storage framework (FRBR rather than MARC).

I gather from reading that Koha will now deal with FRBR and MARC.

So, I'm wondering; 1. Are many existing library catalogues doing the complete switch to RDA and FRBR, or are most doing the partial switch that Libraries Australia is doing (RDA on MARC)? 2. Would a switch be something that could be automated easily? Say a script that adapts AACR2 records in Koha to RDA records? 3. Would the Z39.50 server standard still service RDA/FRBR records, or just */MARC records?

Probably got some others, but those are the three running around in my head at the moment.

Cheers, -ramon.

On 03/10/2013, at 02:25 , glaws wrote:

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RDA! RDA! RDA! RDA! RDA! RDA!

Greg ==================== On 10/02/2013 01:40 PM, Magnus Enger wrote:

...

tirsdag 1. oktober 2013 skrev glaws følgende:

This does, of course, present the perfect opportunity for a strong progressive organization outside the U.S. to step in and become the New Marc Master of the World.

Or we could take it as an opportunity to leave MARC on the scrap heap of history and embrace current technologies instead... :-)

Best regards, Magnus Enger Libriotech.no

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