Hi all, I am trying to install setup Koha for free public library in a Shared hosting environment. My hosting environment is on Linux OS and it runs Perl version 5.8.8. I have gone through the installation document and I realize that I first have to create the make file and then install it with super user privileges. I have contacted my web hosting providers to grant me the access to terminal so that I can run the make file and install Koha. The webhosting providers denied stating that the shell access is not granted in shared hosting environment, I would have to opt for a VPS hosting which is almost 12 to 15 times more than what I pay now (depending on the plan we choose). So, is there a way to install it directly without the shell access and the setup mentioned in the ReadMe documentation? I have tried to directly run the web-installer which is in the location *http://my_web_domain/koha/installer/install.pl* but that throws 500 internal server errors. The corresponding error logs look something like these: *[Sun Mar 24 11:56:38 2013] [error] [client xx.xx.xx.xx] script not found or unable to stat: /home/my_shared_web/public_html/cgi-bin/koha [Sun Mar 24 11:56:38 2013] [error] [client xx.xx.xx.xx] File does not exist: /home/my_shared_web/public_html/favicon.ico [Sun Mar 24 11:56:38 2013] [error] [client xx.xx.xx.xx] script not found or unable to stat: /home/my_shared_web/public_html/cgi-bin/koha * Is there a way we could still install Koha successfully without going through the Shell method etc.? We really like Koha and would like to somehow install it successfully for the free library which we are doing. Help in this regarding highly appreciated. Thank you. -- View this message in context: http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.com/Koha-3-10-hosting-in-a-shared-webhosting-e... Sent from the Koha-general mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
Hi, On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 12:05 PM, Raj Pawan <gumdal@india.com> wrote:.
So, is there a way to install it directly without the shell access and the setup mentioned in the ReadMe documentation?
Short answer : No Somewhat longer answer : Without shell access you won't be able to use CPANMINUS or any other way to install the perl modules required in your home directory. Even with shell access it won't be easy. Shared hosting providers often run housekeeping scrtipts designed to kill off user-initiated cron jobs and other processes that set off sharp and sustained spike in CPU loads. hth, -- Indranil Das Gupta Phone : +91-98300-20971 Blog : http://indradg.randomink.org/blog IRC : indradg on irc://irc.freenode.net Twitter : indradg -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Please exchange editable Office documents only in ODF Format. No other format is acceptable. Support Open Standards. For a free editor supporting ODF, please visit LibreOffice - http://www.documentfoundation.org
Thank you very much for a quick & elegant reply. We don't have enough money to buy VPS hosting. I assume that the same problem exists with Evergreen LMS also? So, what is the best solution or alternative you could suggest me? I am extremely saddened that such a beautiful opensource could not be used at the cheapest price though perl is supported along with PHP at the lowest webhosting price. I wish that the developers would have considered these scenarios while building it too. Nonetheless, as already asked before, what are the alternatives I am looking for? Thank you, www.rkmission-shivanahalli.org <http://www.rkmission-shivanahalli.org> www.rkmission-shivanahalli.org/blog <http://www.rkmission-shivanahalli.org/blog> -- View this message in context: http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.com/Koha-3-10-hosting-in-a-shared-webhosting-e... Sent from the Koha-general mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
On 24 March 2013 20:11, Raj Pawan <gumdal@india.com> wrote:
Thank you very much for a quick & elegant reply.
We don't have enough money to buy VPS hosting. I assume that the same problem exists with Evergreen LMS also?
So, what is the best solution or alternative you could suggest me?
I am extremely saddened that such a beautiful opensource could not be used at the cheapest price though perl is supported along with PHP at the lowest webhosting price. I wish that the developers would have considered these scenarios while building it too.
Another major problem is you only have perl 5.8.8, which is very very very very old. Since Koha 3.4.0 and upwards it needs perl 5.10 or later which is from 2007. I don't think it is fair to think you can write a modern piece of software that is used to run all sorts of libraries from tiny ones like the one you are seeking to host as cheap as possible, up to the National library of Venezuala, and still work on perl 5.8.8 which was released in 2006. It is a shame Koha wont work on your shared hosting, but it is a massive piece of software, and can't possibly be everything for everyone. You are of course more than welcome to send patches to make it work on cheap shared hosting. Chris
Raj Pawan, Raj Pawan schrieb am 24.03.2013
I am extremely saddened that such a beautiful opensource could not be used at the cheapest price though perl is supported along with PHP at the lowest webhosting price. I wish that the developers would have considered these scenarios while building it too.
Koha is a library system, a complex piece of software. Webhosting is for websites and related things, Koha is much more than that. I don't think that the scenario of »using the cheapest webhosting available« had a high priority in Koha development.
Nonetheless, as already asked before, what are the alternatives I am looking for?
If you do not want to pay the price of a VPS you might consider running a physical server locally which would leave you with the cost of hardware and labour for setup and maintenance. You can find some information here http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian -- Mirko
Thank you for suggestion guys, I understand why Koha could not have been developed keeping in mind all possible target audience, and I totally agree with the reasons given by you all . @Mirko - Unfortunately I cannot run it in intranet, the users would have to be connect through internet medium. And neither can I afford for extra hosting charges . So, please suggest me some other good LMS softwares out of your experiences. PS - I tried PMB and lot of the text is still in French despite select English as primary language everywhere. I don't think that localisation was done thoroughly in there. Thank you, www.rkmission-shivanahalli.org <http://www.rkmission-shivanahalli.org> www.rkmission-shivanahalli.org/blog <http://www.rkmission-shivanahalli.org/blog> -- View this message in context: http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.com/Koha-3-10-hosting-in-a-shared-webhosting-e... Sent from the Koha-general mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
Accessing through intranet would be the best possible way you could use Koha. You could actually buy a router (wired and wireless) and make the computers connect even without internet connection. You only need to install Koha in one of the computers (e.g. Koha installed in a virtual environment) and only get the IP address of that computer. In my case in testing, I have a Koha running installed in my laptop in a Debian environment hosted in virtualbox run in a Windows computer. When working at home, I make my cellphone (Nokia N8) act as router load it $1.20 for unlimited data for one day and voila I have a working router that makes my laptop, iPad and other devices connect. I need not by a router yet in my case since I have a router-like cellphone. Maybe other users could expound on the intranet thing. Cheers! :) -- View this message in context: http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.com/Koha-3-10-hosting-in-a-shared-webhosting-e... Sent from the Koha-general mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
Got to learn that the root access to server is required only for *"Installation"* of Koha ILS. Refer "To install Koha for immediate....": http://koha-community.org/download-koha/ So, is it possible to sign up for a VPS plan with a hosting company and install + configure the Koha software using the root access then fall back to the shared hosting plan so that we can save some money? Just a naive thought, please suggest on this. -- View this message in context: http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.com/Koha-3-10-hosting-in-a-shared-webhosting-e... Sent from the Koha-general mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
Raj Pawan wrote:
So, is it possible to sign up for a VPS plan with a hosting company and install + configure the Koha software using the root access then fall back to the shared hosting plan so that we can save some money? Just a naive thought, please suggest on this.
Generally no, because you'll probably find that VPS hosting and shared hosting are not on the same filesystems and servers. It may be possible with a particular hosting provider, but I think you'd need root again for upgrades and maintenance, so it's not sustainable. I think it is possible but very very difficult (=slow, which usually =expensive) to install Koha in some types of shared webhosting (ones with ability to compile libraries, schedule tasks, configure the webserver and run daemons) so you'd need very strong reasons to do it. I've done it years ago but it's really not a cheap option. It's like making an octopus by nailing extra legs onto a dog. At the end, no-one's really happy, least of all the dog. Hope that explains, -- MJ Ray (slef), member of www.software.coop, a for-more-than-profit co-op http://koha-community.org supporter, web and library systems developer. In My Opinion Only: see http://mjr.towers.org.uk/email.html Available for hire (including development) at http://www.software.coop/
Thank you Ray for the explanation. I understand and conclude that quality cannot be compromised for price ;) Thanks & Regards, Raj Pawan G On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 3:11 PM, MJ Ray-2 [via Koha] < ml-node+s1045719n5785040h31@n5.nabble.com> wrote:
Raj Pawan wrote:
So, is it possible to sign up for a VPS plan with a hosting company and install + configure the Koha software using the root access then fall back to the shared hosting plan so that we can save some money? Just a naive thought, please suggest on this.
Generally no, because you'll probably find that VPS hosting and shared hosting are not on the same filesystems and servers. It may be possible with a particular hosting provider, but I think you'd need root again for upgrades and maintenance, so it's not sustainable.
I think it is possible but very very difficult (=slow, which usually =expensive) to install Koha in some types of shared webhosting (ones with ability to compile libraries, schedule tasks, configure the webserver and run daemons) so you'd need very strong reasons to do it.
I've done it years ago but it's really not a cheap option. It's like making an octopus by nailing extra legs onto a dog. At the end, no-one's really happy, least of all the dog.
Hope that explains, -- MJ Ray (slef), member of www.software.coop, a for-more-than-profit co-op http://koha-community.org supporter, web and library systems developer. In My Opinion Only: see http://mjr.towers.org.uk/email.html Available for hire (including development) at http://www.software.coop/ _______________________________________________ Koha mailing list http://koha-community.org [hidden email] <http://user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=5785040&i=0> http://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha
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