News of koha 3.0 and poll [important]
This is a translation of the email of Wed, 21 Mar 2007 11:25:44 +0100 from paul POULAIN to koha-Infos. The original is at http://ob.paulpoulain.com/pipermail/infos/Week-of-Mon-20070319/002112.html if you want to spot my mistranslations. *I would like to hear global-list views on the 1 / 2 / 3 survey below.* So, the message from paul POULAIN: Hello, As usual, I'm going to give you some news of Koha 3.0. *The second part of this email is extremely important for the users among you.* Progress ======== * Joshua (the release manage for v3.0) and his company LibLibe have started tests on this version. He's found some bugs, as expected, but finds that it's in an encouraging shape. The installer has been developed by Henri-Damien as his construction job: once the sysadmin installation is done, the initial configuration (language, MARC type, catalogue tables, ...) are set through a web interface. It's very practical and more than that, it can be extended easily. We can therefore give "public library" example settings, a "society trust" example, that can be installed in a few clicks. The hosting platform for koha development (savannah.gnu.org) had a very large problem at the start of the month. In summary, multiple disks broke simultaneously. It required three days to bring the platform back up. But more annoying, it's lost two days of work in the meantime. Everyone has had to commit their work of those two days anew (this concerned LibLime more than anyone in fact, but was within 36hours of causing me problems...) In short, a good week of loss, lots of energy and stress. Continuing work (and the survey) =============== Joshua (and it's his role as release manager) would like to improve three things before releasing the version: 1- fix the bugs. No-one can dispute the necessity of that. 2- Finish the code cleanup. Antoine, who worked for me for four months on this, didn't finish 100% of the work. That won't change anything much for the user, but, in the long term, it's important: it makes for a more stable software, easier to develop and perhaps also more attractive for other contributors. And then 90% of the work is already done, with 10% to do. 3- Revise all the templates to make something very polished. He proposes to use YUI (Yahoo User Interface), some components "freed" by Yahoo that we can therefore integrate. Graphically, that will give something like http://kados.org/stuff/yui_borrowers.png and http://kados.org/stuff/moremember.png - pretty, isn't it? There is a problem in doing all that: the time that it takes. Joshua doesn't know enough to estimate that for the moment and me neither. But I'm certain that it won't take days or weeks, but months. Now, some among you are waiting for Koha 3.0 with barely-contained impatience. As I've always promised to put the users first, I ask your opinion: 1- Argh! We must release Koha 3.0 as soon as possible. The code clean-up concerns you developers alone, so do it afterwards. And the improvement of user interface can wait too. But I need 3.0's features now! 2- Damn! Bad news. But good, we're working with 2.2 well enough and we can wait 3 months more. But not more than 3 months, even so. 3- Pah! I'm very happy with Koha 2.2. Koha 3.0 can take another 6 months to arrive and I won't be unhappy. You can just reply 1 / 2 / 3, but you can also say more. It's essential that you reply, as many as possible, so I will know in which direction the francophone community points and so communicate it to Joshua (who reads us otherwise, even we must translate because he doesn't speak French ;-) ). I say that the argument "there's bug XXX in Koha 2.2, so I want koha 3.0" isn't good - if there's a bug in 2.2, we'll fix it in 2.2.x! PS: to reassure Pascale Nalon, who's done the translation to VF: this shouldn't impact the translation, or very marginally. Translatedly, -- MJ Ray - see/vidu http://mjr.towers.org.uk/email.html Webmaster/web developer, statistician, sysadmin, online shop maker, developer of koha, debian, gobo, gnustep, various mail and web s/w. Workers co-op @ Weston-super-Mare, Somerset http://www.ttllp.co.uk/
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3 MJ Ray <mjr@phonecoop.coop> wrote: This is a translation of the email of Wed, 21 Mar 2007 11:25:44 +0100 from paul POULAIN to koha-Infos. The original is at http://ob.paulpoulain.com/pipermail/infos/Week-of-Mon-20070319/002112.html if you want to spot my mistranslations. *I would like to hear global-list views on the 1 / 2 / 3 survey below.* So, the message from paul POULAIN: Hello, As usual, I'm going to give you some news of Koha 3.0. *The second part of this email is extremely important for the users among you.* Progress ======== * Joshua (the release manage for v3.0) and his company LibLibe have started tests on this version. He's found some bugs, as expected, but finds that it's in an encouraging shape. The installer has been developed by Henri-Damien as his construction job: once the sysadmin installation is done, the initial configuration (language, MARC type, catalogue tables, ...) are set through a web interface. It's very practical and more than that, it can be extended easily. We can therefore give "public library" example settings, a "society trust" example, that can be installed in a few clicks. The hosting platform for koha development (savannah.gnu.org) had a very large problem at the start of the month. In summary, multiple disks broke simultaneously. It required three days to bring the platform back up. But more annoying, it's lost two days of work in the meantime. Everyone has had to commit their work of those two days anew (this concerned LibLime more than anyone in fact, but was within 36hours of causing me problems...) In short, a good week of loss, lots of energy and stress. Continuing work (and the survey) =============== Joshua (and it's his role as release manager) would like to improve three things before releasing the version: 1- fix the bugs. No-one can dispute the necessity of that. 2- Finish the code cleanup. Antoine, who worked for me for four months on this, didn't finish 100% of the work. That won't change anything much for the user, but, in the long term, it's important: it makes for a more stable software, easier to develop and perhaps also more attractive for other contributors. And then 90% of the work is already done, with 10% to do. 3- Revise all the templates to make something very polished. He proposes to use YUI (Yahoo User Interface), some components "freed" by Yahoo that we can therefore integrate. Graphically, that will give something like http://kados.org/stuff/yui_borrowers.png and http://kados.org/stuff/moremember.png - pretty, isn't it? There is a problem in doing all that: the time that it takes. Joshua doesn't know enough to estimate that for the moment and me neither. But I'm certain that it won't take days or weeks, but months. Now, some among you are waiting for Koha 3.0 with barely-contained impatience. As I've always promised to put the users first, I ask your opinion: 1- Argh! We must release Koha 3.0 as soon as possible. The code clean-up concerns you developers alone, so do it afterwards. And the improvement of user interface can wait too. But I need 3.0's features now! 2- Damn! Bad news. But good, we're working with 2.2 well enough and we can wait 3 months more. But not more than 3 months, even so. 3- Pah! I'm very happy with Koha 2.2. Koha 3.0 can take another 6 months to arrive and I won't be unhappy. You can just reply 1 / 2 / 3, but you can also say more. It's essential that you reply, as many as possible, so I will know in which direction the francophone community points and so communicate it to Joshua (who reads us otherwise, even we must translate because he doesn't speak French ;-) ). I say that the argument "there's bug XXX in Koha 2.2, so I want koha 3.0" isn't good - if there's a bug in 2.2, we'll fix it in 2.2.x! PS: to reassure Pascale Nalon, who's done the translation to VF: this shouldn't impact the translation, or very marginally. Translatedly, -- MJ Ray - see/vidu http://mjr.towers.org.uk/email.html Webmaster/web developer, statistician, sysadmin, online shop maker, developer of koha, debian, gobo, gnustep, various mail and web s/w. Workers co-op @ Weston-super-Mare, Somerset http://www.ttllp.co.uk/ _______________________________________________ Koha mailing list Koha@lists.katipo.co.nz http://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha Dimple Patel, Assistant Librarian, MGNIRSA, Hyderabad. INDIA. --------------------------------------- 1. Contribute to LDL: Librarians' Digital Library https://drtc.isibang.ac.in 2. Join today Digital Library Discussion Forum http://drtc.isibang.ac.in/dlrg ------------------------------------------------- "I have always imagined that Paradise will be a kind of library" Jorge Luis BORGES (1899-1986) --------------------------------- Heres a new way to find what you're looking for - Yahoo! Answers
Hi, At 14.28 21/03/2007, MJ Ray wrote:
This is a translation of the email of Wed, 21 Mar 2007 11:25:44 +0100 from paul POULAIN to koha-Infos. The original is at http://ob.paulpoulain.com/pipermail/infos/Week-of-Mon-20070319/002112.html if you want to spot my mistranslations. *I would like to hear global-list views on the 1 / 2 / 3 survey below.*
So, the message from paul POULAIN:
we are studing Koha from a lot of time. We are waiting the version 3. I think that the works to do are: a)Fix the bugs b)Finish the code cleanup. Is it possible to do them in 3 months ? If yes, my vote is for option 2. Cheers Zeno Tajoli Zeno Tajoli CILEA - Segrate (MI) tajoliAT_SPAM_no_prendiATcilea.it (Indirizzo mascherato anti-spam; sostituisci quanto tra AT con @)
Personally, I'm a 2. I can't say what John or Cindy would prefer. But it looks like we'll be rolling out with dev_week in a matter of weeks, so I'd rather wait until 3.0 is more polished code-wise since we are no longer waiting for 3.0 before making our transition. Kyle On 3/21/07, MJ Ray <mjr@phonecoop.coop> wrote:
This is a translation of the email of Wed, 21 Mar 2007 11:25:44 +0100 from paul POULAIN to koha-Infos. The original is at http://ob.paulpoulain.com/pipermail/infos/Week-of-Mon-20070319/002112.html if you want to spot my mistranslations.
*I would like to hear global-list views on the 1 / 2 / 3 survey below.*
So, the message from paul POULAIN:
Hello,
As usual, I'm going to give you some news of Koha 3.0. *The second part of this email is extremely important for the users among you.*
Progress ========
* Joshua (the release manage for v3.0) and his company LibLibe have started tests on this version. He's found some bugs, as expected, but finds that it's in an encouraging shape.
The installer has been developed by Henri-Damien as his construction job: once the sysadmin installation is done, the initial configuration (language, MARC type, catalogue tables, ...) are set through a web interface. It's very practical and more than that, it can be extended easily. We can therefore give "public library" example settings, a "society trust" example, that can be installed in a few clicks.
The hosting platform for koha development (savannah.gnu.org) had a very large problem at the start of the month. In summary, multiple disks broke simultaneously. It required three days to bring the platform back up. But more annoying, it's lost two days of work in the meantime. Everyone has had to commit their work of those two days anew (this concerned LibLime more than anyone in fact, but was within 36hours of causing me problems...) In short, a good week of loss, lots of energy and stress.
Continuing work (and the survey) ===============
Joshua (and it's his role as release manager) would like to improve three things before releasing the version:
1- fix the bugs. No-one can dispute the necessity of that.
2- Finish the code cleanup. Antoine, who worked for me for four months on this, didn't finish 100% of the work. That won't change anything much for the user, but, in the long term, it's important: it makes for a more stable software, easier to develop and perhaps also more attractive for other contributors. And then 90% of the work is already done, with 10% to do.
3- Revise all the templates to make something very polished. He proposes to use YUI (Yahoo User Interface), some components "freed" by Yahoo that we can therefore integrate. Graphically, that will give something like http://kados.org/stuff/yui_borrowers.png and http://kados.org/stuff/moremember.png - pretty, isn't it?
There is a problem in doing all that: the time that it takes. Joshua doesn't know enough to estimate that for the moment and me neither. But I'm certain that it won't take days or weeks, but months.
Now, some among you are waiting for Koha 3.0 with barely-contained impatience. As I've always promised to put the users first, I ask your opinion:
1- Argh! We must release Koha 3.0 as soon as possible. The code clean-up concerns you developers alone, so do it afterwards. And the improvement of user interface can wait too. But I need 3.0's features now!
2- Damn! Bad news. But good, we're working with 2.2 well enough and we can wait 3 months more. But not more than 3 months, even so.
3- Pah! I'm very happy with Koha 2.2. Koha 3.0 can take another 6 months to arrive and I won't be unhappy.
You can just reply 1 / 2 / 3, but you can also say more. It's essential that you reply, as many as possible, so I will know in which direction the francophone community points and so communicate it to Joshua (who reads us otherwise, even we must translate because he doesn't speak French ;-) ).
I say that the argument "there's bug XXX in Koha 2.2, so I want koha 3.0" isn't good - if there's a bug in 2.2, we'll fix it in 2.2.x!
PS: to reassure Pascale Nalon, who's done the translation to VF: this shouldn't impact the translation, or very marginally.
Translatedly, -- MJ Ray - see/vidu http://mjr.towers.org.uk/email.html Webmaster/web developer, statistician, sysadmin, online shop maker, developer of koha, debian, gobo, gnustep, various mail and web s/w. Workers co-op @ Weston-super-Mare, Somerset http://www.ttllp.co.uk/ _______________________________________________ Koha mailing list Koha@lists.katipo.co.nz http://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha
-- IT Tech Crawford County Federated Library System
For us: I'd say we're at TWO: i've just installed 2.2.8, and life is well, no immediate need for version 3. I'd rather have a better and more stable version three, even if that takes a few months. I must say that I VERY much like the sample screen shots!! (http://kados.org/stuff/yui_borrowers.png) Regards, Mourik Jan Kyle Hall wrote:
Personally, I'm a 2. I can't say what John or Cindy would prefer. But it looks like we'll be rolling out with dev_week in a matter of weeks, so I'd rather wait until 3.0 is more polished code-wise since we are no longer waiting for 3.0 before making our transition.
Kyle
On 3/21/07, *MJ Ray* <mjr@phonecoop.coop <mailto:mjr@phonecoop.coop>> wrote:
This is a translation of the email of Wed, 21 Mar 2007 11:25:44 +0100 from paul POULAIN to koha-Infos. The original is at http://ob.paulpoulain.com/pipermail/infos/Week-of-Mon-20070319/002112.html <http://ob.paulpoulain.com/pipermail/infos/Week-of-Mon-20070319/002112.html> if you want to spot my mistranslations.
*I would like to hear global-list views on the 1 / 2 / 3 survey below.*
So, the message from paul POULAIN:
Hello,
As usual, I'm going to give you some news of Koha 3.0. *The second part of this email is extremely important for the users among you.*
Progress ========
* Joshua (the release manage for v3.0) and his company LibLibe have started tests on this version. He's found some bugs, as expected, but finds that it's in an encouraging shape.
The installer has been developed by Henri-Damien as his construction job: once the sysadmin installation is done, the initial configuration (language, MARC type, catalogue tables, ...) are set through a web interface. It's very practical and more than that, it can be extended easily. We can therefore give "public library" example settings, a "society trust" example, that can be installed in a few clicks.
The hosting platform for koha development (savannah.gnu.org <http://savannah.gnu.org>) had a very large problem at the start of the month. In summary, multiple disks broke simultaneously. It required three days to bring the platform back up. But more annoying, it's lost two days of work in the meantime. Everyone has had to commit their work of those two days anew (this concerned LibLime more than anyone in fact, but was within 36hours of causing me problems...) In short, a good week of loss, lots of energy and stress.
Continuing work (and the survey) ===============
Joshua (and it's his role as release manager) would like to improve three things before releasing the version:
1- fix the bugs. No-one can dispute the necessity of that.
2- Finish the code cleanup. Antoine, who worked for me for four months on this, didn't finish 100% of the work. That won't change anything much for the user, but, in the long term, it's important: it makes for a more stable software, easier to develop and perhaps also more attractive for other contributors. And then 90% of the work is already done, with 10% to do.
3- Revise all the templates to make something very polished. He proposes to use YUI (Yahoo User Interface), some components "freed" by Yahoo that we can therefore integrate. Graphically, that will give something like http://kados.org/stuff/yui_borrowers.png and http://kados.org/stuff/moremember.png - pretty, isn't it?
There is a problem in doing all that: the time that it takes. Joshua doesn't know enough to estimate that for the moment and me neither. But I'm certain that it won't take days or weeks, but months.
Now, some among you are waiting for Koha 3.0 with barely-contained impatience. As I've always promised to put the users first, I ask your opinion:
1- Argh! We must release Koha 3.0 as soon as possible. The code clean-up concerns you developers alone, so do it afterwards. And the improvement of user interface can wait too. But I need 3.0's features now!
2- Damn! Bad news. But good, we're working with 2.2 well enough and we can wait 3 months more. But not more than 3 months, even so.
3- Pah! I'm very happy with Koha 2.2. Koha 3.0 can take another 6 months to arrive and I won't be unhappy.
You can just reply 1 / 2 / 3, but you can also say more. It's essential that you reply, as many as possible, so I will know in which direction the francophone community points and so communicate it to Joshua (who reads us otherwise, even we must translate because he doesn't speak French ;-) ).
I say that the argument "there's bug XXX in Koha 2.2, so I want koha 3.0" isn't good - if there's a bug in 2.2, we'll fix it in 2.2.x!
PS: to reassure Pascale Nalon, who's done the translation to VF: this shouldn't impact the translation, or very marginally.
Translatedly, -- MJ Ray - see/vidu http://mjr.towers.org.uk/email.html Webmaster/web developer, statistician, sysadmin, online shop maker, developer of koha, debian, gobo, gnustep, various mail and web s/w. Workers co-op @ Weston-super-Mare, Somerset http://www.ttllp.co.uk/ _______________________________________________ Koha mailing list Koha@lists.katipo.co.nz <mailto:Koha@lists.katipo.co.nz> http://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha
-- IT Tech Crawford County Federated Library System ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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I'd have to say I'm somewhere between 2 and 3. We've put a lot of work into implementing dev_week and as Kyle says we'll be rolling out soon, so I'm not in a huge hurry to move to 3.0, since if we were to implement it now it would delay our rollout. Cindy Kyle Hall wrote:
Personally, I'm a 2. I can't say what John or Cindy would prefer. But it looks like we'll be rolling out with dev_week in a matter of weeks, so I'd rather wait until 3.0 is more polished code-wise since we are no longer waiting for 3.0 before making our transition.
Kyle
-- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Cindy Murdock Network Administrator Meadville Public Library | CCFLS http://meadvillelibrary.org | http://ccfls.org
Somewhere between 2 and 3. I'm the system administrator for a small private school and some of the bugs in the 2.2.x series have been very frustrating for our librarian. I would love to be able upgrade our current system to a polished and easy to use Koha 3.0. This poll was posted several months ago. What is the expected release date for 3.0? I've searched a bit on the web and this list, but I haven't seen an answer. thanks for your time, Matthew MJ Ray wrote:
Now, some among you are waiting for Koha 3.0 with barely-contained impatience. As I've always promised to put the users first, I ask your opinion:
1- Argh! We must release Koha 3.0 as soon as possible. The code clean-up concerns you developers alone, so do it afterwards. And the improvement of user interface can wait too. But I need 3.0's features now!
2- Damn! Bad news. But good, we're working with 2.2 well enough and we can wait 3 months more. But not more than 3 months, even so.
3- Pah! I'm very happy with Koha 2.2. Koha 3.0 can take another 6 months to arrive and I won't be unhappy.
participants (8)
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Bruffey, Mark -
Cindy Murdock -
Dimple Patel -
Kyle Hall -
Matthew Metzger -
MJ Ray -
mourik jan heupink -
Zeno Tajoli