Re: [Koha] Debian vs Ubuntu server for koha
As far as Koha administration is concerned, what are the differences between Debian and Ubuntu? I know Ubuntu is said to be the easy version of Debian, but how does that translate into Koha? Fred King Medical Librarian, MedStar Washington Hospital Center fred.king@medstar.net 202-877-6670 ORCID 0000-0001-5266-0279 MedStar Authors Catalog: http://medstarauthors.org It is difficult to produce a television documentary that is both incisive and probing when every twelve minutes one is interrupted by twelve dancing rabbits singing about toilet paper. --Rod Serling -----Original Message----- From: Koha <koha-bounces@lists.katipo.co.nz> On Behalf Of Michael Kuhn Sent: Friday, July 26, 2019 4:42 AM To: koha@lists.katipo.co.nz Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [Koha] Debian vs Ubuntu server for koha ** ATTENTION: This email originated from outside the MedStar network. ** DO NOT CLICK links or attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. Hi Tom
Kindly advise me the better option for server space between Debian and > Ubuntu for koha production server.
According to https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__wiki.koha-2Dcommunity.org_wiki_Debian-23Debian-5FPackages-5Fon-5FKoha&d=DwIGaQ&c=RvBXVp2Kc-itN3g6r3sN0QK_zL4whPpndVxj8-bJ04M&r=vKh6XwOmjyC51IkP1OfsdjQZoWT2vpi6VZl8El8EPRI&m=1ylcSBHLjSWg5rOt-ZicukRdZZTzcSLYSdlYqgcBrNA&s=zNTRxtNR-yY-7IQJkDRFpNMbPAEDwwyWYajdlOoHEpY&e= the following distributions are currently supported: * Debian 8 (Jessie) * Debian 9 (Stretch) * Ubuntu 18.04 (Bionic) Personally, I think I heard or anyway I feel like the developers are usually using the newer Debian version (thus Debian 9) which results in a smoother installation process. I'm not sure if it's true but it seems to me even if Koha can be installed on Ubuntu or even some other Linux distributions, it will often need some extra effort to make it work on them. So if you're not absolutely depending on Ubuntu or any other distribution I would always recommend Debian GNU/Linux. Also just because Debian GNU/Linux is the base of Ubuntu anyway. Hope this helps. Best wishes: Michael -- Geschäftsführer · Diplombibliothekar BBS, Informatiker eidg. Fachausweis Admin Kuhn GmbH · Pappelstrasse 20 · 4123 Allschwil · Schweiz T 0041 (0)61 261 55 61 · E mik@adminkuhn.ch · W https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.adminkuhn.ch&d=DwIGaQ&c=RvBXVp2Kc-itN3g6r3sN0QK_zL4whPpndVxj8-bJ04M&r=vKh6XwOmjyC51IkP1OfsdjQZoWT2vpi6VZl8El8EPRI&m=1ylcSBHLjSWg5rOt-ZicukRdZZTzcSLYSdlYqgcBrNA&s=60YRV60xSvGNKlYG6WDPuuX3FJZM98MGG-aZFLYWE4k&e= _______________________________________________ Koha mailing list https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__koha-2Dcommunity.org&d=DwIGaQ&c=RvBXVp2Kc-itN3g6r3sN0QK_zL4whPpndVxj8-bJ04M&r=vKh6XwOmjyC51IkP1OfsdjQZoWT2vpi6VZl8El8EPRI&m=1ylcSBHLjSWg5rOt-ZicukRdZZTzcSLYSdlYqgcBrNA&s=KWW5Fx7IF1esNvimL257IZ3ZkyM2IaFbosTiIlNPqtw&e= Koha@lists.katipo.co.nz https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__lists.katipo.co.nz_mailman_listinfo_koha&d=DwIGaQ&c=RvBXVp2Kc-itN3g6r3sN0QK_zL4whPpndVxj8-bJ04M&r=vKh6XwOmjyC51IkP1OfsdjQZoWT2vpi6VZl8El8EPRI&m=1ylcSBHLjSWg5rOt-ZicukRdZZTzcSLYSdlYqgcBrNA&s=0sQiPMe7xZ9bM1oMfWAnudp6_IJg7rWitqf7sfatbsY&e= ---------------------------------------------------------------------- MedStar Health is a not-for-profit, integrated healthcare delivery system, the largest in Maryland and the Washington, D.C., region. Nationally recognized for clinical quality in heart, orthopaedics, cancer and GI. IMPORTANT: This e-mail (including any attachments) may contain information that is private, confidential, or protected by attorney-client or other privilege. If you received this e-mail in error, please delete it from your system without copying it and notify sender by reply e-mail, so that our records can be corrected... Thank you. Help conserve valuable resources - only print this email if necessary.
On Fri, Jul 26, 2019 at 11:57:44AM +0000, King, Fred wrote:
As far as Koha administration is concerned, what are the differences between Debian and Ubuntu? I know Ubuntu is said to be the easy version of Debian, but how does that translate into Koha?
There should be little or no difference. The main difference between Debian and Ubuntu administration is that Ubuntu tends to have better support for desktop GUIs and related software. Since koha isn't a dektop GUI application, that difference doesn't really affect it. The other major difference is that Ubuntu updates software with new features much, much more frequently than Debian does. This ties in to Ubuntu being more desktop-focused, since desktop users tend to want the "latest and greatest" of their applications. For servers, though, I prefer Debian precisely because it isn't constantly making unnecessary changes to the installed software - for the most part, Debian updates packages within the stable distribution only for security reasons, and even then the security fixes are backported when possible, so as to minimize the resulting changes. So it really comes down to your preferences. If you prefer GUI tools to manage package installation and upgrades, you might want to go with Ubuntu, otherwise Debian is marginally more stable - but Ubuntu is also very solid, so you're unlikely to have problems either way. -- Dave Sherohman
Hi Fred
As far as Koha administration is concerned, what are the differences between Debian and Ubuntu? I know Ubuntu is said to be the easy version of Debian, but how does that translate into Koha?
As soon as you have Koha installed all right there shouldn't be any difference that I am aware of. Thus I am backing what Dave Sherohman was aying in the other e-mail. What I was referring to are problems during the installation / configuration process like the following and more that sometimes appear in this mailinglist. They just don't occur when using Debian: http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.com/Koha-on-Ubuntu-18-04-LTS-Bionic-Beaver-td5... http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.com/Unable-to-configure-Koha-18-11-on-Ubuntu-1... However, under https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_ubuntu_-_packages you will find instructions for a Koha installation on Ubuntu if you prefer this distribution. Best wishes: Michael -- Geschäftsführer · Diplombibliothekar BBS, Informatiker eidg. Fachausweis Admin Kuhn GmbH · Pappelstrasse 20 · 4123 Allschwil · Schweiz T 0041 (0)61 261 55 61 · E mik@adminkuhn.ch · W www.adminkuhn.ch
Hi Fred, As far as administration of Koha within the web based interface is concerned, you'll see no difference whether you're running on Ubuntu or Debian. Even if you're working at a Linux command prompt you're going to see the same commands. Ubuntu uses Debian as its "upstream" distribution. As was pointed out (by Michael I think) you might find some minor differences between installed package versions between Ubuntu and Debian, and might get a smoother ride installing onto Debian so I would go with that unless you have some other reason to prefer Ubuntu. (I am too out of touch with the Ubuntu Server distro these days to know what "added value" it offers, if any.) Hope this helps, Best Regards, Chris Brown On Fri, Jul 26, 2019 at 12:57 PM King, Fred <Fred.King@medstar.net> wrote:
As far as Koha administration is concerned, what are the differences between Debian and Ubuntu? I know Ubuntu is said to be the easy version of Debian, but how does that translate into Koha?
Fred King Medical Librarian, MedStar Washington Hospital Center fred.king@medstar.net 202-877-6670 ORCID 0000-0001-5266-0279 MedStar Authors Catalog: http://medstarauthors.org
It is difficult to produce a television documentary that is both incisive and probing when every twelve minutes one is interrupted by twelve dancing rabbits singing about toilet paper. --Rod Serling
-----Original Message----- From: Koha <koha-bounces@lists.katipo.co.nz> On Behalf Of Michael Kuhn Sent: Friday, July 26, 2019 4:42 AM To: koha@lists.katipo.co.nz Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [Koha] Debian vs Ubuntu server for koha
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Hi Tom
Kindly advise me the better option for server space between Debian and Ubuntu for koha production server.
According to
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__wiki.koha-2Dcommunity.org_wiki_Debian-23Debian-5FPackages-5Fon-5FKoha&d=DwIGaQ&c=RvBXVp2Kc-itN3g6r3sN0QK_zL4whPpndVxj8-bJ04M&r=vKh6XwOmjyC51IkP1OfsdjQZoWT2vpi6VZl8El8EPRI&m=1ylcSBHLjSWg5rOt-ZicukRdZZTzcSLYSdlYqgcBrNA&s=zNTRxtNR-yY-7IQJkDRFpNMbPAEDwwyWYajdlOoHEpY&e= the following distributions are currently supported:
* Debian 8 (Jessie) * Debian 9 (Stretch) * Ubuntu 18.04 (Bionic)
Personally, I think I heard or anyway I feel like the developers are usually using the newer Debian version (thus Debian 9) which results in a smoother installation process. I'm not sure if it's true but it seems to me even if Koha can be installed on Ubuntu or even some other Linux distributions, it will often need some extra effort to make it work on them.
So if you're not absolutely depending on Ubuntu or any other distribution I would always recommend Debian GNU/Linux. Also just because Debian GNU/Linux is the base of Ubuntu anyway.
Hope this helps.
Best wishes: Michael -- Geschäftsführer · Diplombibliothekar BBS, Informatiker eidg. Fachausweis Admin Kuhn GmbH · Pappelstrasse 20 · 4123 Allschwil · Schweiz T 0041 (0)61 261 55 61 · E mik@adminkuhn.ch · W https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.adminkuhn.ch&d=DwIGaQ&c=RvBXVp2Kc-itN3g6r3sN0QK_zL4whPpndVxj8-bJ04M&r=vKh6XwOmjyC51IkP1OfsdjQZoWT2vpi6VZl8El8EPRI&m=1ylcSBHLjSWg5rOt-ZicukRdZZTzcSLYSdlYqgcBrNA&s=60YRV60xSvGNKlYG6WDPuuX3FJZM98MGG-aZFLYWE4k&e= _______________________________________________ Koha mailing list https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__koha-2Dcommunity.org&d=DwIGaQ&c=RvBXVp2Kc-itN3g6r3sN0QK_zL4whPpndVxj8-bJ04M&r=vKh6XwOmjyC51IkP1OfsdjQZoWT2vpi6VZl8El8EPRI&m=1ylcSBHLjSWg5rOt-ZicukRdZZTzcSLYSdlYqgcBrNA&s=KWW5Fx7IF1esNvimL257IZ3ZkyM2IaFbosTiIlNPqtw&e= Koha@lists.katipo.co.nz
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Thanks to Dave, Michael, and Chris for the information. Right now, the difference for me is that I’m reasonably comfortable with Ubuntu and I’ve never used Debian. One of the things koha-US is working on is Crossing the Linux Barrier, so you’ve given me more to think about. If my talk on “Got a hundred dollars? Get an ILS!” isn’t a complete flop, I’ll post the slides on the Avenging Chicken’s web site. Fred King Medical Librarian, MedStar Washington Hospital Center fred.king@medstar.net<mailto:fred.king@medstar.net> 202-877-6670 ORCID 0000-0001-5266-0279 MedStar Authors Catalog: http://medstarauthors.org It is difficult to produce a television documentary that is both incisive and probing when every twelve minutes one is interrupted by twelve dancing rabbits singing about toilet paper. --Rod Serling From: Chris Brown <chris@stayawake.co.uk> Sent: Friday, July 26, 2019 8:55 AM To: King, Fred <Fred.King@Medstar.net> Cc: koha@lists.katipo.co.nz Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [Koha] Debian vs Ubuntu server for koha ** ATTENTION: This email originated from outside the MedStar network. ** DO NOT CLICK links or attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. Hi Fred, As far as administration of Koha within the web based interface is concerned, you'll see no difference whether you're running on Ubuntu or Debian. Even if you're working at a Linux command prompt you're going to see the same commands. Ubuntu uses Debian as its "upstream" distribution. As was pointed out (by Michael I think) you might find some minor differences between installed package versions between Ubuntu and Debian, and might get a smoother ride installing onto Debian so I would go with that unless you have some other reason to prefer Ubuntu. (I am too out of touch with the Ubuntu Server distro these days to know what "added value" it offers, if any.) Hope this helps, Best Regards, Chris Brown On Fri, Jul 26, 2019 at 12:57 PM King, Fred <Fred.King@medstar.net<mailto:Fred.King@medstar.net>> wrote: As far as Koha administration is concerned, what are the differences between Debian and Ubuntu? I know Ubuntu is said to be the easy version of Debian, but how does that translate into Koha? Fred King Medical Librarian, MedStar Washington Hospital Center fred.king@medstar.net<mailto:fred.king@medstar.net> 202-877-6670 ORCID 0000-0001-5266-0279 MedStar Authors Catalog: http://medstarauthors.org<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__medstarauthors.org&d=DwMFaQ&c=RvBXVp2Kc-itN3g6r3sN0QK_zL4whPpndVxj8-bJ04M&r=vKh6XwOmjyC51IkP1OfsdjQZoWT2vpi6VZl8El8EPRI&m=G7fi4X-WzxKYPnyBYvgw2OcxrH4K08JStQs67qKXBHQ&s=CKK6t-Q_cOdCZxdrQKiTs7s1r--grEI48K2WcfK7KEE&e=> It is difficult to produce a television documentary that is both incisive and probing when every twelve minutes one is interrupted by twelve dancing rabbits singing about toilet paper. --Rod Serling -----Original Message----- From: Koha <koha-bounces@lists.katipo.co.nz<mailto:koha-bounces@lists.katipo.co.nz>> On Behalf Of Michael Kuhn Sent: Friday, July 26, 2019 4:42 AM To: koha@lists.katipo.co.nz<mailto:koha@lists.katipo.co.nz> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [Koha] Debian vs Ubuntu server for koha ** ATTENTION: This email originated from outside the MedStar network. ** DO NOT CLICK links or attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. Hi Tom
Kindly advise me the better option for server space between Debian and > Ubuntu for koha production server.
According to https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__wiki.koha-2Dcommunity.org_wiki_Debian-23Debian-5FPackages-5Fon-5FKoha&d=DwIGaQ&c=RvBXVp2Kc-itN3g6r3sN0QK_zL4whPpndVxj8-bJ04M&r=vKh6XwOmjyC51IkP1OfsdjQZoWT2vpi6VZl8El8EPRI&m=1ylcSBHLjSWg5rOt-ZicukRdZZTzcSLYSdlYqgcBrNA&s=zNTRxtNR-yY-7IQJkDRFpNMbPAEDwwyWYajdlOoHEpY&e= the following distributions are currently supported: * Debian 8 (Jessie) * Debian 9 (Stretch) * Ubuntu 18.04 (Bionic) Personally, I think I heard or anyway I feel like the developers are usually using the newer Debian version (thus Debian 9) which results in a smoother installation process. I'm not sure if it's true but it seems to me even if Koha can be installed on Ubuntu or even some other Linux distributions, it will often need some extra effort to make it work on them. So if you're not absolutely depending on Ubuntu or any other distribution I would always recommend Debian GNU/Linux. Also just because Debian GNU/Linux is the base of Ubuntu anyway. Hope this helps. Best wishes: Michael -- Geschäftsführer · Diplombibliothekar BBS, Informatiker eidg. Fachausweis Admin Kuhn GmbH · Pappelstrasse 20 · 4123 Allschwil · Schweiz T 0041 (0)61 261 55 61 · E mik@adminkuhn.ch<mailto:mik@adminkuhn.ch> · W https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.adminkuhn.ch&d=DwIGaQ&c=RvBXVp2Kc-itN3g6r3sN0QK_zL4whPpndVxj8-bJ04M&r=vKh6XwOmjyC51IkP1OfsdjQZoWT2vpi6VZl8El8EPRI&m=1ylcSBHLjSWg5rOt-ZicukRdZZTzcSLYSdlYqgcBrNA&s=60YRV60xSvGNKlYG6WDPuuX3FJZM98MGG-aZFLYWE4k&e= _______________________________________________ Koha mailing list https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__koha-2Dcommunity.org&d=DwIGaQ&c=RvBXVp2Kc-itN3g6r3sN0QK_zL4whPpndVxj8-bJ04M&r=vKh6XwOmjyC51IkP1OfsdjQZoWT2vpi6VZl8El8EPRI&m=1ylcSBHLjSWg5rOt-ZicukRdZZTzcSLYSdlYqgcBrNA&s=KWW5Fx7IF1esNvimL257IZ3ZkyM2IaFbosTiIlNPqtw&e= Koha@lists.katipo.co.nz<mailto:Koha@lists.katipo.co.nz> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__lists.katipo.co.nz_mailman_listinfo_koha&d=DwIGaQ&c=RvBXVp2Kc-itN3g6r3sN0QK_zL4whPpndVxj8-bJ04M&r=vKh6XwOmjyC51IkP1OfsdjQZoWT2vpi6VZl8El8EPRI&m=1ylcSBHLjSWg5rOt-ZicukRdZZTzcSLYSdlYqgcBrNA&s=0sQiPMe7xZ9bM1oMfWAnudp6_IJg7rWitqf7sfatbsY&e= ---------------------------------------------------------------------- MedStar Health is a not-for-profit, integrated healthcare delivery system, the largest in Maryland and the Washington, D.C., region. Nationally recognized for clinical quality in heart, orthopaedics, cancer and GI. IMPORTANT: This e-mail (including any attachments) may contain information that is private, confidential, or protected by attorney-client or other privilege. If you received this e-mail in error, please delete it from your system without copying it and notify sender by reply e-mail, so that our records can be corrected... Thank you. Help conserve valuable resources - only print this email if necessary. _______________________________________________ Koha mailing list http://koha-community.org<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__koha-2Dcommunity.org&d=DwMFaQ&c=RvBXVp2Kc-itN3g6r3sN0QK_zL4whPpndVxj8-bJ04M&r=vKh6XwOmjyC51IkP1OfsdjQZoWT2vpi6VZl8El8EPRI&m=G7fi4X-WzxKYPnyBYvgw2OcxrH4K08JStQs67qKXBHQ&s=jQrkimVpZMQ088TVmR2d-KjApMMWsNlCXDqTBDNzcmE&e=> Koha@lists.katipo.co.nz<mailto:Koha@lists.katipo.co.nz> https://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__lists.katipo.co.nz_mailman_listinfo_koha&d=DwMFaQ&c=RvBXVp2Kc-itN3g6r3sN0QK_zL4whPpndVxj8-bJ04M&r=vKh6XwOmjyC51IkP1OfsdjQZoWT2vpi6VZl8El8EPRI&m=G7fi4X-WzxKYPnyBYvgw2OcxrH4K08JStQs67qKXBHQ&s=yAt3HPUwVvGk04v55nZiJjETV2Fzg1oYix4y5in8LMQ&e=>
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