Koha Fundraising Committee Draft Terms of Reference
Brendan is travelling but has asked me to post the draft TOR for the fundraising committee. You will find them here: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Fundraising These will be considered at the General IRC Meeting scheduled for 10 June at 20 UTC: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting_10_June_2015 Hope to see a few of you there. Bob Birchall Calyx <http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Fundraising>
Bob Birchall wrote:
Brendan is travelling but has asked me to post the draft TOR for the fundraising committee. You will find them here: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Fundraising
These will be considered at the General IRC Meeting scheduled for 10 June at 20 UTC: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting_10_June_2015
I'm disappointed that we get only 1 day to review these, but that is an improvement on the zero days last time... still, I've proposed postponement to allow others time to review. I've some questions about the conflict of interest policy. If someone has neither financial or personal interest in the development of Koha, why do we want them on this Committee? What happens if there are no disinterested members for a matter? Do we want a register of interests that members could be given standing exemptions for? So members could declare their businesses, any other elected posts and any relevant funders or assets at the time of their election and be told that's OK unless any of those are more interested in a decision than those of other members. === Article 3: Conflicts of Interest === Whenever a member has a financial or personal interest in any matter coming before the Committee, the affected person shall a) fully disclose the nature of the interest and b) withdraw from discussion, lobbying, and voting on the matter unless a majority of disinterested members vote that it is in the best interest of the Fund to allow it. The minutes of meetings at which such votes are taken shall record such disclosures, abstentions or rationale for approvals. === ENDQUOTE === Regards, -- MJ Ray (slef), member of www.software.coop, a for-more-than-profit co-op http://koha-community.org supporter, web and library systems developer. In My Opinion Only: see http://mjr.towers.org.uk/email.html Available for hire (including development) at http://www.software.coop/
Good points. Can these be raised at the meeting? (Sorry for the delay - unforeseen timing - and no rush passing this but discussion asap is what we want). Can we also bring up my other points about Funding Jonathan to work for Koha based on any monies raised by the fund? If we could pass that as a community in this meeting then Jonathan would be able to immediately start helping on those key areas- that I have highlighted and mentioned before. Seeding the fund is already committed to by a few organizations (Bywater biblibre Ptfs-Europe). Thanks Brendan On Tuesday, June 9, 2015, MJ Ray <mjr@phonecoop.coop> wrote:
Bob Birchall wrote:
Brendan is travelling but has asked me to post the draft TOR for the fundraising committee. You will find them here: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Fundraising
These will be considered at the General IRC Meeting scheduled for 10 June at 20 UTC: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting_10_June_2015
I'm disappointed that we get only 1 day to review these, but that is an improvement on the zero days last time... still, I've proposed postponement to allow others time to review.
I've some questions about the conflict of interest policy. If someone has neither financial or personal interest in the development of Koha, why do we want them on this Committee?
What happens if there are no disinterested members for a matter?
Do we want a register of interests that members could be given standing exemptions for? So members could declare their businesses, any other elected posts and any relevant funders or assets at the time of their election and be told that's OK unless any of those are more interested in a decision than those of other members.
=== Article 3: Conflicts of Interest ===
Whenever a member has a financial or personal interest in any matter coming before the Committee, the affected person shall a) fully disclose the nature of the interest and b) withdraw from discussion, lobbying, and voting on the matter unless a majority of disinterested members vote that it is in the best interest of the Fund to allow it. The minutes of meetings at which such votes are taken shall record such disclosures, abstentions or rationale for approvals.
=== ENDQUOTE ===
Regards, -- MJ Ray (slef), member of www.software.coop, a for-more-than-profit co-op http://koha-community.org supporter, web and library systems developer. In My Opinion Only: see http://mjr.towers.org.uk/email.html Available for hire (including development) at http://www.software.coop/ _______________________________________________ Koha mailing list http://koha-community.org Koha@lists.katipo.co.nz <javascript:;> https://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha
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Hi all - Just to be clear again - this is what I had highlighted previously --> " 4. Jonathan Druart has resigned from Biblibre effective May 1st and is currently unemployed. I propose the we use some of the money of the Fund to hire him as a contractor to a) sign-off on bugs b) QA bugs c) clean up bugzilla (for example we have a large number of bugs that are major or critical for some that have no patches even written for them, plus there is also a bunch of other clean up that will help every other developer in the community - that honestly none of us really have time to do). Since he has no allegiance to a support provider - he is exactly the third party person we are looking for. " Also I'd like to suggest that we have a 2 weeks to review the document presented and a vote in 2 weeks time. I will choose a time that we can all vote in IRC. Thanks. On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 3:56 PM, Brendan Gallagher <info@bywatersolutions.com
wrote:
Good points. Can these be raised at the meeting? (Sorry for the delay - unforeseen timing - and no rush passing this but discussion asap is what we want).
Can we also bring up my other points about Funding Jonathan to work for Koha based on any monies raised by the fund? If we could pass that as a community in this meeting then Jonathan would be able to immediately start helping on those key areas- that I have highlighted and mentioned before. Seeding the fund is already committed to by a few organizations (Bywater biblibre Ptfs-Europe).
Thanks Brendan
On Tuesday, June 9, 2015, MJ Ray <mjr@phonecoop.coop> wrote:
Bob Birchall wrote:
Brendan is travelling but has asked me to post the draft TOR for the fundraising committee. You will find them here: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Fundraising
These will be considered at the General IRC Meeting scheduled for 10 June at 20 UTC: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting_10_June_2015
I'm disappointed that we get only 1 day to review these, but that is an improvement on the zero days last time... still, I've proposed postponement to allow others time to review.
I've some questions about the conflict of interest policy. If someone has neither financial or personal interest in the development of Koha, why do we want them on this Committee?
What happens if there are no disinterested members for a matter?
Do we want a register of interests that members could be given standing exemptions for? So members could declare their businesses, any other elected posts and any relevant funders or assets at the time of their election and be told that's OK unless any of those are more interested in a decision than those of other members.
=== Article 3: Conflicts of Interest ===
Whenever a member has a financial or personal interest in any matter coming before the Committee, the affected person shall a) fully disclose the nature of the interest and b) withdraw from discussion, lobbying, and voting on the matter unless a majority of disinterested members vote that it is in the best interest of the Fund to allow it. The minutes of meetings at which such votes are taken shall record such disclosures, abstentions or rationale for approvals.
=== ENDQUOTE ===
Regards, -- MJ Ray (slef), member of www.software.coop, a for-more-than-profit co-op http://koha-community.org supporter, web and library systems developer. In My Opinion Only: see http://mjr.towers.org.uk/email.html Available for hire (including development) at http://www.software.coop/ _______________________________________________ Koha mailing list http://koha-community.org Koha@lists.katipo.co.nz https://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha
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2015-06-15 13:06 GMT-03:00 Brendan Gallagher <info@bywatersolutions.com>:
Hi all -
Just to be clear again - this is what I had highlighted previously --> " 4. Jonathan Druart has resigned from Biblibre effective May 1st and is currently unemployed. I propose the we use some of the money of the Fund to hire him as a contractor to a) sign-off on bugs b) QA bugs c) clean up bugzilla (for example we have a large number of bugs that are major or critical for some that have no patches even written for them, plus there is also a bunch of other clean up that will help every other developer in the community - that honestly none of us really have time to do). Since he has no allegiance to a support provider - he is exactly the third party person we are looking for. "
I think it would be a good idea to hire Jonathan as an independent consultant for Koha Fund, while the committee continues to work on the legal bylaws. Because the delays to have this properly discussed and agreed have put Jonathan in a difficult situation right now (unemployment). And it should be explicitly stated that once the legal bylaws are figured, the decision to hire him (and the terms of the contract) would be revisited by the comitee. Please join forces to have this sorted ASAP. All this legal stuff is scary to read and fully understand, but at least add your +1 to support people working on this. -- Tomás Cohen Arazi Prosecretaría de Informática Universidad Nacional de Córdoba ✆ +54 351 5353750 ext 13168 GPG: B76C 6E7C 2D80 551A C765 E225 0A27 2EA1 B2F3 C15F
I don't know how to say this without stepping on anyone's toes, but I think this discussion is taking a problematic direction. I don't think it is good to tie the general discussion and decision on all things fundraising to the personal situation of people that may be funded once all is settled. I refuse to agree I »have put somebody in a difficult situation« because I opposed voting on things that were made public on very short notice before meetings. I was not informed I was discussing anyone's situation. A situation I knew nothing about. It seems like behind the scenes it has already been agreed to 1) put money into the fund 2) pay somebody with that money so I have a simple proposal for the parties involved. Please consider contracting people directly until the fundraising stuff is actually up and running and everybody is happy. Hope that does not anger anyone, Mirko PS. Yes, I would like to see Jonathan continue his fine work on Koha. Just to make that clear. -- Mirko Tietgen mirko@abunchofthings.net http://koha.abunchofthings.net http://meinkoha.de
Hi all, Can I just clarify my understanding of the situation: * The Koha community have decided to establish a Koha Fund for developing Koha, * Te Horowhenua Trust have agreed to be the 'banker' and umbrella for a Fundraising and a Grants subcommittee, * The Koha Community is developing operating guidelines for the two committees, * Johnathan is willing and available to work on Koha under contract to THT and paid from the Koha fund, * A number of potential donors to the fund are supportive of this plan, * Johnathan has made a decision to resign from BibLibre. My take on this is that the Koha community is not responsible for Jonathan's decision to resign from Biblibre and be in the difficult situation he now finds himself. Our responsibility is to collectively establish the 2 Koha fund committees. Have I over-simplified that or is that about right? Regards Jo. -----Original Message----- From: Koha [mailto:koha-bounces@lists.katipo.co.nz] On Behalf Of Mirko Tietgen Sent: Wednesday, 17 June 2015 5:43 a.m. To: koha@lists.katipo.co.nz Subject: Re: [Koha] Koha Fundraising Committee Draft Terms of Reference I don't know how to say this without stepping on anyone's toes, but I think this discussion is taking a problematic direction. I don't think it is good to tie the general discussion and decision on all things fundraising to the personal situation of people that may be funded once all is settled. I refuse to agree I »have put somebody in a difficult situation« because I opposed voting on things that were made public on very short notice before meetings. I was not informed I was discussing anyone's situation. A situation I knew nothing about. It seems like behind the scenes it has already been agreed to 1) put money into the fund 2) pay somebody with that money so I have a simple proposal for the parties involved. Please consider contracting people directly until the fundraising stuff is actually up and running and everybody is happy. Hope that does not anger anyone, Mirko PS. Yes, I would like to see Jonathan continue his fine work on Koha. Just to make that clear. -- Mirko Tietgen mirko@abunchofthings.net http://koha.abunchofthings.net http://meinkoha.de ##################################################################################### This e-mail message and any attached files may contain confidential information, and may be subject to legal professional privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete. Unless formally stated, this e-mail and any attachments do not necessarily reflect the views of the the The Horowhenua Trust. The Horowhenua Trust takes extensive precautions with the aim of detecting and removing any virus or defects from its e-mail system but accepts no liability for loss or damage should this e-mail not be virus or defect free or should there be any errors in transmission. #####################################################################################
Good summary Jo :) On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 2:32 PM, Joann Ransom <JoannR@tetakere.org.nz> wrote:
Hi all,
Can I just clarify my understanding of the situation:
* The Koha community have decided to establish a Koha Fund for developing Koha, * Te Horowhenua Trust have agreed to be the 'banker' and umbrella for a Fundraising and a Grants subcommittee, * The Koha Community is developing operating guidelines for the two committees, * Johnathan is willing and available to work on Koha under contract to THT and paid from the Koha fund, * A number of potential donors to the fund are supportive of this plan, * Johnathan has made a decision to resign from BibLibre.
My take on this is that the Koha community is not responsible for Jonathan's decision to resign from Biblibre and be in the difficult situation he now finds himself.
Our responsibility is to collectively establish the 2 Koha fund committees.
Have I over-simplified that or is that about right?
Regards
Jo.
-----Original Message----- From: Koha [mailto:koha-bounces@lists.katipo.co.nz] On Behalf Of Mirko Tietgen Sent: Wednesday, 17 June 2015 5:43 a.m. To: koha@lists.katipo.co.nz Subject: Re: [Koha] Koha Fundraising Committee Draft Terms of Reference
I don't know how to say this without stepping on anyone's toes, but I think this discussion is taking a problematic direction. I don't think it is good to tie the general discussion and decision on all things fundraising to the personal situation of people that may be funded once all is settled.
I refuse to agree I »have put somebody in a difficult situation« because I opposed voting on things that were made public on very short notice before meetings. I was not informed I was discussing anyone's situation. A situation I knew nothing about.
It seems like behind the scenes it has already been agreed to 1) put money into the fund 2) pay somebody with that money
so I have a simple proposal for the parties involved. Please consider contracting people directly until the fundraising stuff is actually up and running and everybody is happy.
Hope that does not anger anyone,
Mirko
PS. Yes, I would like to see Jonathan continue his fine work on Koha. Just to make that clear.
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Great anyone have more thoughts? BTW nothing has been done "behind the scenes"... All discussions have been posted to the mailing lists and talked about and presented at conferences / hackfests. Nothing has or will be hidden. I just want to make sure that we're clear on that :) Has anyone reviewed the document at all? And there was no push to get the bylaws voted on at the last meeting because we fell short of a long enough review period (but since we had finished the doc we wanted to make sure it was available for some discussion at the general meeting)... Not to vote on. Mirko we need more volunteers - are you willing to help here? You have good opinions. Thanks, Brendan On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 10:42 AM, Mirko Tietgen <mirko@abunchofthings.net> wrote:
I don't know how to say this without stepping on anyone's toes, but I think this discussion is taking a problematic direction. I don't think it is good to tie the general discussion and decision on all things fundraising to the personal situation of people that may be funded once all is settled.
I refuse to agree I »have put somebody in a difficult situation« because I opposed voting on things that were made public on very short notice before meetings. I was not informed I was discussing anyone's situation. A situation I knew nothing about.
It seems like behind the scenes it has already been agreed to 1) put money into the fund 2) pay somebody with that money
so I have a simple proposal for the parties involved. Please consider contracting people directly until the fundraising stuff is actually up and running and everybody is happy.
Hope that does not anger anyone,
Mirko
PS. Yes, I would like to see Jonathan continue his fine work on Koha. Just to make that clear.
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I have had some thoughts: 1. Structure: I see no reason why a person should be limited to 3 years of service. I am happy for people to offer themselves up for election as many times as they like; the community will decide if they are still adding value to the committee; 2. Meetings: In addition to monthly formal meetings, my expectation is that the committee will make heavy use of email for discussion and debate in order to accommodate a globally disbursed committee straddling many timezones. This includes the ability to pass motions via email PROVIDED THAT such decisions and resolutions are recorded in the minutes of the monthly meetings; 3. Quorum: how about at least 50% of the membership. The reason being that 3 is only 30% of a 9 member committee. If the committee is 7 then you require 4 for a quorum. I am loath to support a 'miniority' rules situation. I have not considered what might be missing so I may well come back for second bite at this! Cheers Jo -----Original Message----- From: Koha [mailto:koha-bounces@lists.katipo.co.nz] On Behalf Of Brendan Gallagher Sent: Wednesday, 17 June 2015 9:33 a.m. To: Mirko Tietgen Cc: koha@lists.katipo.co.nz Subject: Re: [Koha] Koha Fundraising Committee Draft Terms of Reference Great anyone have more thoughts? BTW nothing has been done "behind the scenes"... All discussions have been posted to the mailing lists and talked about and presented at conferences / hackfests. Nothing has or will be hidden. I just want to make sure that we're clear on that :) Has anyone reviewed the document at all? And there was no push to get the bylaws voted on at the last meeting because we fell short of a long enough review period (but since we had finished the doc we wanted to make sure it was available for some discussion at the general meeting)... Not to vote on. Mirko we need more volunteers - are you willing to help here? You have good opinions. Thanks, Brendan On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 10:42 AM, Mirko Tietgen <mirko@abunchofthings.net> wrote:
I don't know how to say this without stepping on anyone's toes, but I think this discussion is taking a problematic direction. I don't think it is good to tie the general discussion and decision on all things fundraising to the personal situation of people that may be funded once all is settled.
I refuse to agree I »have put somebody in a difficult situation« because I opposed voting on things that were made public on very short notice before meetings. I was not informed I was discussing anyone's situation. A situation I knew nothing about.
It seems like behind the scenes it has already been agreed to 1) put money into the fund 2) pay somebody with that money
so I have a simple proposal for the parties involved. Please consider contracting people directly until the fundraising stuff is actually up and running and everybody is happy.
Hope that does not anger anyone,
Mirko
PS. Yes, I would like to see Jonathan continue his fine work on Koha. Just to make that clear.
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I will add in those thoughts to the doc tomorrow (I will be returning to full time work then). If others have other suggestions let's hear them :) Thanks Jo - hopefully you got the ball started in the right direction we all needed. Cheers, Brendan On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 2:51 PM, Joann Ransom <JoannR@tetakere.org.nz> wrote:
I have had some thoughts:
1. Structure: I see no reason why a person should be limited to 3 years of service. I am happy for people to offer themselves up for election as many times as they like; the community will decide if they are still adding value to the committee;
2. Meetings: In addition to monthly formal meetings, my expectation is that the committee will make heavy use of email for discussion and debate in order to accommodate a globally disbursed committee straddling many timezones. This includes the ability to pass motions via email PROVIDED THAT such decisions and resolutions are recorded in the minutes of the monthly meetings;
3. Quorum: how about at least 50% of the membership. The reason being that 3 is only 30% of a 9 member committee. If the committee is 7 then you require 4 for a quorum. I am loath to support a 'miniority' rules situation.
I have not considered what might be missing so I may well come back for second bite at this!
Cheers Jo
-----Original Message----- From: Koha [mailto:koha-bounces@lists.katipo.co.nz] On Behalf Of Brendan Gallagher Sent: Wednesday, 17 June 2015 9:33 a.m. To: Mirko Tietgen Cc: koha@lists.katipo.co.nz Subject: Re: [Koha] Koha Fundraising Committee Draft Terms of Reference
Great anyone have more thoughts?
BTW nothing has been done "behind the scenes"... All discussions have been posted to the mailing lists and talked about and presented at conferences / hackfests. Nothing has or will be hidden. I just want to make sure that we're clear on that :)
Has anyone reviewed the document at all? And there was no push to get the bylaws voted on at the last meeting because we fell short of a long enough review period (but since we had finished the doc we wanted to make sure it was available for some discussion at the general meeting)... Not to vote on.
Mirko we need more volunteers - are you willing to help here? You have good opinions.
Thanks, Brendan
On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 10:42 AM, Mirko Tietgen <mirko@abunchofthings.net> wrote:
I don't know how to say this without stepping on anyone's toes, but I think this discussion is taking a problematic direction. I don't think it is good to tie the general discussion and decision on all things fundraising to the personal situation of people that may be funded once all is settled.
I refuse to agree I »have put somebody in a difficult situation« because I opposed voting on things that were made public on very short notice before meetings. I was not informed I was discussing anyone's situation. A situation I knew nothing about.
It seems like behind the scenes it has already been agreed to 1) put money into the fund 2) pay somebody with that money
so I have a simple proposal for the parties involved. Please consider contracting people directly until the fundraising stuff is actually up and running and everybody is happy.
Hope that does not anger anyone,
Mirko
PS. Yes, I would like to see Jonathan continue his fine work on Koha. Just to make that clear.
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Done. If anyone has more please send them along. On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 11:31 AM, Brendan Gallagher < info@bywatersolutions.com> wrote:
I will add in those thoughts to the doc tomorrow (I will be returning to full time work then). If others have other suggestions let's hear them :)
Thanks Jo - hopefully you got the ball started in the right direction we all needed.
Cheers, Brendan
On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 2:51 PM, Joann Ransom <JoannR@tetakere.org.nz> wrote:
I have had some thoughts:
1. Structure: I see no reason why a person should be limited to 3 years of service. I am happy for people to offer themselves up for election as many times as they like; the community will decide if they are still adding value to the committee;
2. Meetings: In addition to monthly formal meetings, my expectation is that the committee will make heavy use of email for discussion and debate in order to accommodate a globally disbursed committee straddling many timezones. This includes the ability to pass motions via email PROVIDED THAT such decisions and resolutions are recorded in the minutes of the monthly meetings;
3. Quorum: how about at least 50% of the membership. The reason being that 3 is only 30% of a 9 member committee. If the committee is 7 then you require 4 for a quorum. I am loath to support a 'miniority' rules situation.
I have not considered what might be missing so I may well come back for second bite at this!
Cheers Jo
-----Original Message----- From: Koha [mailto:koha-bounces@lists.katipo.co.nz] On Behalf Of Brendan Gallagher Sent: Wednesday, 17 June 2015 9:33 a.m. To: Mirko Tietgen Cc: koha@lists.katipo.co.nz Subject: Re: [Koha] Koha Fundraising Committee Draft Terms of Reference
Great anyone have more thoughts?
BTW nothing has been done "behind the scenes"... All discussions have been posted to the mailing lists and talked about and presented at conferences / hackfests. Nothing has or will be hidden. I just want to make sure that we're clear on that :)
Has anyone reviewed the document at all? And there was no push to get the bylaws voted on at the last meeting because we fell short of a long enough review period (but since we had finished the doc we wanted to make sure it was available for some discussion at the general meeting)... Not to vote on.
Mirko we need more volunteers - are you willing to help here? You have good opinions.
Thanks, Brendan
On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 10:42 AM, Mirko Tietgen <mirko@abunchofthings.net
wrote:
I don't know how to say this without stepping on anyone's toes, but I think this discussion is taking a problematic direction. I don't think it is good to tie the general discussion and decision on all things fundraising to the personal situation of people that may be funded once all is settled.
I refuse to agree I »have put somebody in a difficult situation« because I opposed voting on things that were made public on very short notice before meetings. I was not informed I was discussing anyone's situation. A situation I knew nothing about.
It seems like behind the scenes it has already been agreed to 1) put money into the fund 2) pay somebody with that money
so I have a simple proposal for the parties involved. Please consider contracting people directly until the fundraising stuff is actually up and running and everybody is happy.
Hope that does not anger anyone,
Mirko
PS. Yes, I would like to see Jonathan continue his fine work on Koha. Just to make that clear.
--
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-- --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Brendan A. Gallagher ByWater Solutions CEO Support and Consulting for Open Source Software Installation, Data Migration, Training, Customization, Hosting and Complete Support Packages Headquarters: Santa Barbara, CA - Office: Redding, CT Phone # (888) 900-8944 http://bywatersolutions.com info@bywatersolutions.com
Hi All - Just a reminder - the general IRC meeting is in a few days - we (the committee) need your comments and thoughts on the bylaws before that meeting. We're going to be voting on the bylaws at that meeting as we've had more than a month with the bylaws. We are all ready to move forward with getting money ready for the project and we've got tons of innovative ideas for fund raising! The American Library Association meeting was just last weekend - and there are tons of librarians and libraries that are interested in Koha and know of Koha. Let's keep the momentum going and show them we're a large and active group. Thanks, Brendan On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 8:37 PM, Brendan Gallagher < info@bywatersolutions.com> wrote:
Done. If anyone has more please send them along.
On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 11:31 AM, Brendan Gallagher < info@bywatersolutions.com> wrote:
I will add in those thoughts to the doc tomorrow (I will be returning to full time work then). If others have other suggestions let's hear them :)
Thanks Jo - hopefully you got the ball started in the right direction we all needed.
Cheers, Brendan
On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 2:51 PM, Joann Ransom <JoannR@tetakere.org.nz> wrote:
I have had some thoughts:
1. Structure: I see no reason why a person should be limited to 3 years of service. I am happy for people to offer themselves up for election as many times as they like; the community will decide if they are still adding value to the committee;
2. Meetings: In addition to monthly formal meetings, my expectation is that the committee will make heavy use of email for discussion and debate in order to accommodate a globally disbursed committee straddling many timezones. This includes the ability to pass motions via email PROVIDED THAT such decisions and resolutions are recorded in the minutes of the monthly meetings;
3. Quorum: how about at least 50% of the membership. The reason being that 3 is only 30% of a 9 member committee. If the committee is 7 then you require 4 for a quorum. I am loath to support a 'miniority' rules situation.
I have not considered what might be missing so I may well come back for second bite at this!
Cheers Jo
-----Original Message----- From: Koha [mailto:koha-bounces@lists.katipo.co.nz] On Behalf Of Brendan Gallagher Sent: Wednesday, 17 June 2015 9:33 a.m. To: Mirko Tietgen Cc: koha@lists.katipo.co.nz Subject: Re: [Koha] Koha Fundraising Committee Draft Terms of Reference
Great anyone have more thoughts?
BTW nothing has been done "behind the scenes"... All discussions have been posted to the mailing lists and talked about and presented at conferences / hackfests. Nothing has or will be hidden. I just want to make sure that we're clear on that :)
Has anyone reviewed the document at all? And there was no push to get the bylaws voted on at the last meeting because we fell short of a long enough review period (but since we had finished the doc we wanted to make sure it was available for some discussion at the general meeting)... Not to vote on.
Mirko we need more volunteers - are you willing to help here? You have good opinions.
Thanks, Brendan
On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 10:42 AM, Mirko Tietgen < mirko@abunchofthings.net> wrote:
I don't know how to say this without stepping on anyone's toes, but I think this discussion is taking a problematic direction. I don't think it is good to tie the general discussion and decision on all things fundraising to the personal situation of people that may be funded once all is settled.
I refuse to agree I »have put somebody in a difficult situation« because I opposed voting on things that were made public on very short notice before meetings. I was not informed I was discussing anyone's situation. A situation I knew nothing about.
It seems like behind the scenes it has already been agreed to 1) put money into the fund 2) pay somebody with that money
so I have a simple proposal for the parties involved. Please consider contracting people directly until the fundraising stuff is actually up and running and everybody is happy.
Hope that does not anger anyone,
Mirko
PS. Yes, I would like to see Jonathan continue his fine work on Koha. Just to make that clear.
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Hi Brendan, is there a link to the latest version? Thx, Bob On 04/07/15 10:53, Brendan Gallagher wrote:
Hi All -
Just a reminder - the general IRC meeting is in a few days - we (the committee) need your comments and thoughts on the bylaws before that meeting. We're going to be voting on the bylaws at that meeting as we've had more than a month with the bylaws. We are all ready to move forward with getting money ready for the project and we've got tons of innovative ideas for fund raising!
The American Library Association meeting was just last weekend - and there are tons of librarians and libraries that are interested in Koha and know of Koha. Let's keep the momentum going and show them we're a large and active group.
Thanks, Brendan
On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 8:37 PM, Brendan Gallagher < info@bywatersolutions.com> wrote:
Done. If anyone has more please send them along.
On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 11:31 AM, Brendan Gallagher < info@bywatersolutions.com> wrote:
I will add in those thoughts to the doc tomorrow (I will be returning to full time work then). If others have other suggestions let's hear them :)
Thanks Jo - hopefully you got the ball started in the right direction we all needed.
Cheers, Brendan
On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 2:51 PM, Joann Ransom <JoannR@tetakere.org.nz> wrote:
I have had some thoughts:
1. Structure: I see no reason why a person should be limited to 3 years of service. I am happy for people to offer themselves up for election as many times as they like; the community will decide if they are still adding value to the committee;
2. Meetings: In addition to monthly formal meetings, my expectation is that the committee will make heavy use of email for discussion and debate in order to accommodate a globally disbursed committee straddling many timezones. This includes the ability to pass motions via email PROVIDED THAT such decisions and resolutions are recorded in the minutes of the monthly meetings;
3. Quorum: how about at least 50% of the membership. The reason being that 3 is only 30% of a 9 member committee. If the committee is 7 then you require 4 for a quorum. I am loath to support a 'miniority' rules situation.
I have not considered what might be missing so I may well come back for second bite at this!
Cheers Jo
-----Original Message----- From: Koha [mailto:koha-bounces@lists.katipo.co.nz] On Behalf Of Brendan Gallagher Sent: Wednesday, 17 June 2015 9:33 a.m. To: Mirko Tietgen Cc: koha@lists.katipo.co.nz Subject: Re: [Koha] Koha Fundraising Committee Draft Terms of Reference
Great anyone have more thoughts?
BTW nothing has been done "behind the scenes"... All discussions have been posted to the mailing lists and talked about and presented at conferences / hackfests. Nothing has or will be hidden. I just want to make sure that we're clear on that :)
Has anyone reviewed the document at all? And there was no push to get the bylaws voted on at the last meeting because we fell short of a long enough review period (but since we had finished the doc we wanted to make sure it was available for some discussion at the general meeting)... Not to vote on.
Mirko we need more volunteers - are you willing to help here? You have good opinions.
Thanks, Brendan
On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 10:42 AM, Mirko Tietgen < mirko@abunchofthings.net> wrote:
I don't know how to say this without stepping on anyone's toes, but I think this discussion is taking a problematic direction. I don't think it is good to tie the general discussion and decision on all things fundraising to the personal situation of people that may be funded once all is settled.
I refuse to agree I »have put somebody in a difficult situation« because I opposed voting on things that were made public on very short notice before meetings. I was not informed I was discussing anyone's situation. A situation I knew nothing about.
It seems like behind the scenes it has already been agreed to 1) put money into the fund 2) pay somebody with that money
so I have a simple proposal for the parties involved. Please consider contracting people directly until the fundraising stuff is actually up and running and everybody is happy.
Hope that does not anger anyone,
Mirko
PS. Yes, I would like to see Jonathan continue his fine work on Koha. Just to make that clear.
--
Mirko Tietgen mirko@abunchofthings.net http://koha.abunchofthings.net http://meinkoha.de
Yes Bob - it's on the wiki -- http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Fundraising On Fri, Jul 3, 2015 at 6:29 PM, Bob Birchall <bob@calyx.net.au> wrote:
Hi Brendan, is there a link to the latest version? Thx, Bob
On 04/07/15 10:53, Brendan Gallagher wrote:
Hi All -
Just a reminder - the general IRC meeting is in a few days - we (the committee) need your comments and thoughts on the bylaws before that meeting. We're going to be voting on the bylaws at that meeting as we've had more than a month with the bylaws. We are all ready to move forward with getting money ready for the project and we've got tons of innovative ideas for fund raising!
The American Library Association meeting was just last weekend - and there are tons of librarians and libraries that are interested in Koha and know of Koha. Let's keep the momentum going and show them we're a large and active group.
Thanks, Brendan
On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 8:37 PM, Brendan Gallagher < info@bywatersolutions.com> wrote:
Done. If anyone has more please send them along.
On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 11:31 AM, Brendan Gallagher < info@bywatersolutions.com> wrote:
I will add in those thoughts to the doc tomorrow (I will be returning to
full time work then). If others have other suggestions let's hear them :)
Thanks Jo - hopefully you got the ball started in the right direction we all needed.
Cheers, Brendan
On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 2:51 PM, Joann Ransom <JoannR@tetakere.org.nz> wrote:
I have had some thoughts:
1. Structure: I see no reason why a person should be limited to 3 years of service. I am happy for people to offer themselves up for election as many times as they like; the community will decide if they are still adding value to the committee;
2. Meetings: In addition to monthly formal meetings, my expectation is that the committee will make heavy use of email for discussion and debate in order to accommodate a globally disbursed committee straddling many timezones. This includes the ability to pass motions via email PROVIDED THAT such decisions and resolutions are recorded in the minutes of the monthly meetings;
3. Quorum: how about at least 50% of the membership. The reason being that 3 is only 30% of a 9 member committee. If the committee is 7 then you require 4 for a quorum. I am loath to support a 'miniority' rules situation.
I have not considered what might be missing so I may well come back for second bite at this!
Cheers Jo
-----Original Message----- From: Koha [mailto:koha-bounces@lists.katipo.co.nz] On Behalf Of Brendan Gallagher Sent: Wednesday, 17 June 2015 9:33 a.m. To: Mirko Tietgen Cc: koha@lists.katipo.co.nz Subject: Re: [Koha] Koha Fundraising Committee Draft Terms of Reference
Great anyone have more thoughts?
BTW nothing has been done "behind the scenes"... All discussions have been posted to the mailing lists and talked about and presented at conferences / hackfests. Nothing has or will be hidden. I just want to make sure that we're clear on that :)
Has anyone reviewed the document at all? And there was no push to get the bylaws voted on at the last meeting because we fell short of a long enough review period (but since we had finished the doc we wanted to make sure it was available for some discussion at the general meeting)... Not to vote on.
Mirko we need more volunteers - are you willing to help here? You have good opinions.
Thanks, Brendan
On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 10:42 AM, Mirko Tietgen < mirko@abunchofthings.net> wrote:
I don't know how to say this without stepping on anyone's toes, but I
think this discussion is taking a problematic direction. I don't think it is good to tie the general discussion and decision on all things fundraising to the personal situation of people that may be funded once all is settled.
I refuse to agree I »have put somebody in a difficult situation« because I opposed voting on things that were made public on very short notice before meetings. I was not informed I was discussing anyone's situation. A situation I knew nothing about.
It seems like behind the scenes it has already been agreed to 1) put money into the fund 2) pay somebody with that money
so I have a simple proposal for the parties involved. Please consider contracting people directly until the fundraising stuff is actually up and running and everybody is happy.
Hope that does not anger anyone,
Mirko
PS. Yes, I would like to see Jonathan continue his fine work on Koha. Just to make that clear.
--
Mirko Tietgen mirko@abunchofthings.net http://koha.abunchofthings.net http://meinkoha.de
Koha mailing list http://koha-community.org Koha@lists.katipo.co.nz https://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha
-- --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Brendan A. Gallagher ByWater Solutions CEO Support and Consulting for Open Source Software Installation, Data Migration, Training, Customization, Hosting and Complete Support Packages Headquarters: Santa Barbara, CA - Office: Redding, CT Phone # (888) 900-8944 http://bywatersolutions.com info@bywatersolutions.com
2015-06-16 14:42 GMT-03:00 Mirko Tietgen <mirko@abunchofthings.net>:
I don't know how to say this without stepping on anyone's toes, but I think this discussion is taking a problematic direction. I don't think it is good to tie the general discussion and decision on all things fundraising to the personal situation of people that may be funded once all is settled.
Mirko and friends, I've had some troubles this week hence the delay to answer. I agree 100% with what you say. I actually didn't mean to push any decision about the Koha Fund with my comment. At all. I just wanted to publicly support the move from ByWater, Biblibre and PTFS-Europe to hire Jonathan full-time to work on the project as an independent developer. And ask them to get creative in solve this with whatever legal/contractual tool they can find to do it WHILE the discussion about the Koha Fund (and everything related to it) takes place as it needs to happen with such an important thing. Once the Koha Fund is established we can discuss this from another POV. For now, other decision has to be made by the interested parties. Kind regards -- Tomás Cohen Arazi Prosecretaría de Informática Universidad Nacional de Córdoba ✆ +54 351 5353750 ext 13168 GPG: B76C 6E7C 2D80 551A C765 E225 0A27 2EA1 B2F3 C15F
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