Re: [Koha] Koha Fundraising Committee Draft Terms of Reference
At 05:58 AM 7/5/2015 -0700, Brendan Gallagher wrote:
Hi Paul -Â
Yes the bylaws that we are voting on are listing on this page on the wiki.Â
 <http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Fundraising>http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Fundraising (it's the bottom sections)
Brendan -- thanks. The Wiki page seems to call them "terms of reference" rather than "bylaws", hence my confusion. Best -- Paul
Thanks, BrendanÂ
On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 7:16 AM, Paul A <<mailto:paul.a@navalmarinearchive.com>paul.a@navalmarinearchive.com> wrote: At 05:53 PM 7/3/2015 -0700, Brendan Gallagher wrote: Hi All -
Just a reminder - the general IRC meeting is in a few days - we (the committee) need your comments and thoughts on the bylaws before that meeting.
Brendan,
Firstly, thank you for all you are doing.
A couple of points re: the draft MoU at <<http://kete.library.org.nz/site/documents/show/368-draft-mou-v2-for-koha-fund>http://kete.library.org.nz/site/documents/show/368-draft-mou-v2-for-koha-fund>:
1) Given recent discussion on this list, I might suggest dropping 6.12 and references to 'Listed Koha Support Company[ies]' in 11.2 and 11.6. (All "companies" are equal, unendorsed by the community.)
2) Is it 4? or 6? "representatives of the Koha Community" (there seems to be some difference between the [current version of the] Wiki page and the draft MoU.
We're going to be voting on the bylaws at that meeting as we've had more than a month with the bylaws.
Is a draft copy of such bylaws available? And do these correspond to 11.4 of the MoU?
Quorum [Wiki page] -- "at least 50% of the membership." I agree with the 50% (even 50% + 1 if there are an even number; certainly not a minority), but find the word "membership" confusing. I'm fairly sure you mean 50% of the representatives elected by the community, but could you be more specific?
Best regards -- Paul
We are all ready to move forward with getting money ready for the project and we've got tons of innovative ideas for fund raising!
The American Library Association meeting was just last weekend - and there are tons of librarians and libraries that are interested in Koha and know of Koha.  Let's keep the momentum going and show them we're a large and active group.
Thanks, Brendan
On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 8:37 PM, Brendan Gallagher < <mailto:info@bywatersolutions.com>info@bywatersolutions.com> wrote:
Done. If anyone has more please send them along.
On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 11:31 AM, Brendan Gallagher < <mailto:info@bywatersolutions.com>info@bywatersolutions.com> wrote:
I will add in those thoughts to the doc tomorrow (I will be returning to full time work then). If others have other suggestions let's hear them :)
Thanks Jo - hopefully you got the ball started in the right direction we all needed.
Cheers, Brendan
On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 2:51 PM, Joann Ransom <<mailto:JoannR@tetakere.org.nz>JoannR@tetakere.org.nz> wrote:
I have had some thoughts:
1. Structure: I see no reason why a person should be limited to 3 years of service. I am happy for people to offer themselves up for election as many times as they like; the community will decide if they are still adding value to the committee;
2. Meetings: In addition to monthly formal meetings, my expectation is that the committee will make heavy use of email for discussion and debate in order to accommodate a globally disbursed committee straddling many timezones. This includes the ability to pass motions via email PROVIDED THAT such decisions and resolutions are recorded in the minutes of the monthly meetings;
3.  Quorum: how about at least 50% of the membership. The reason being that 3 is only 30% of a 9 member committee. If the committee is 7 then you require 4 for a quorum. I am loath to support a 'miniority' rules situation.
I have not considered what might be missing so I may well come back for second bite at this!
Cheers Jo
-----Original Message----- From: Koha [mailto:koha-bounces@lists.katipo.co.nz] On Behalf Of Brendan Gallagher Sent: Wednesday, 17 June 2015 9:33 a.m. To: Mirko Tietgen Cc: <mailto:koha@lists.katipo.co.nz>koha@lists.katipo.co.nz Subject: Re: [Koha] Koha Fundraising Committee Draft Terms of Reference
Great anyone have more thoughts?
BTW nothing has been done "behind the scenes"... All discussions have been posted to the mailing lists and talked about and presented at conferences / hackfests. Nothing has or will be hidden. I just want to make sure that we're clear on that :)
Has anyone reviewed the document at all? And there was no push to get the bylaws voted on at the last meeting because we fell short of a long enough review period (but since we had finished the doc we wanted to make sure it was available for some discussion at the general meeting)... Not to vote on.
Mirko we need more volunteers - are you willing to help here? You have good opinions.
Thanks, Brendan
On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 10:42 AM, Mirko Tietgen < <mailto:mirko@abunchofthings.net>mirko@abunchofthings.net> wrote:
I don't know how to say this without stepping on anyone's toes, but I think this discussion is taking a problematic direction. I don't think it is good to tie the general discussion and decision on all things fundraising to the personal situation of people that may be funded once all is settled.
I refuse to agree I ûhave put somebody in a difficult situationë
because I opposed voting on things that were made public on very short notice before meetings. I was not informed I was discussing anyone's situation. A situation I knew nothing about.
It seems like behind the scenes it has already been agreed to 1) put money into the fund 2) pay somebody with that money
so I have a simple proposal for the parties involved. Please consider contracting people directly until the fundraising stuff is actually up and running and everybody is happy.
Hope that does not anger anyone,
Mirko
PS. Yes, I would like to see Jonathan continue his fine work on Koha. Just to make that clear.
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Yeah Yes - Terms of reference (I call them bylaws). On Sun, Jul 5, 2015 at 2:56 PM, Paul A <paul.a@navalmarinearchive.com> wrote:
At 05:58 AM 7/5/2015 -0700, Brendan Gallagher wrote:
Hi Paul -Â
Yes the bylaws that we are voting on are listing on this page on the wiki.Â
 <http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Fundraising> http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Fundraising (it's the bottom sections)
Brendan -- thanks. The Wiki page seems to call them "terms of reference" rather than "bylaws", hence my confusion.
Best -- Paul
Thanks,
BrendanÂ
On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 7:16 AM, Paul A <<mailto: paul.a@navalmarinearchive.com>paul.a@navalmarinearchive.com> wrote: At 05:53 PM 7/3/2015 -0700, Brendan Gallagher wrote: Hi All -
Just a reminder - the general IRC meeting is in a few days - we (the committee) need your comments and thoughts on the bylaws before that meeting.
Brendan,
Firstly, thank you for all you are doing.
A couple of points re: the draft MoU at << http://kete.library.org.nz/site/documents/show/368-draft-mou-v2-for-koha-fun...
http://kete.library.org.nz/site/documents/show/368-draft-mou-v2-for-koha-fun...
:
1) Given recent discussion on this list, I might suggest dropping 6.12 and references to 'Listed Koha Support Company[ies]' in 11.2 and 11.6. (All "companies" are equal, unendorsed by the community.)
2) Is it 4? or 6? "representatives of the Koha Community" (there seems to be some difference between the [current version of the] Wiki page and the draft MoU.
We're going to be voting on the bylaws at that meeting as we've had more than a month with the bylaws.
Is a draft copy of such bylaws available? And do these correspond to 11.4 of the MoU?
Quorum [Wiki page] -- "at least 50% of the membership." I agree with the 50% (even 50% + 1 if there are an even number; certainly not a minority), but find the word "membership" confusing. I'm fairly sure you mean 50% of the representatives elected by the community, but could you be more specific?
Best regards -- Paul
We are all ready to move forward with getting money ready for the project and we've got tons of innovative ideas for fund raising!
The American Library Association meeting was just last weekend - and there are tons of librarians and libraries that are interested in Koha and know of Koha.  Let's keep the momentum going and show them we're a large and active group.
Thanks, Brendan
On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 8:37 PM, Brendan Gallagher < <mailto:info@bywatersolutions.com>info@bywatersolutions.com> wrote:
Done. If anyone has more please send them along.
On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 11:31 AM, Brendan Gallagher < <mailto:info@bywatersolutions.com>info@bywatersolutions.com> wrote:
I will add in those thoughts to the doc tomorrow (I will be returning to full time work then). If others have other suggestions let's hear them :)
Thanks Jo - hopefully you got the ball started in the right direction we all needed.
Cheers, Brendan
On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 2:51 PM, Joann Ransom <<mailto: JoannR@tetakere.org.nz>JoannR@tetakere.org.nz> wrote:
I have had some thoughts:
1. Structure: I see no reason why a person should be limited to 3 years of service. I am happy for people to offer themselves up for election as many times as they like; the community will decide if they are still adding value to the committee;
2. Meetings: In addition to monthly formal meetings, my expectation is that the committee will make heavy use of email for discussion and debate in order to accommodate a globally disbursed committee straddling many timezones. This includes the ability to pass motions via email PROVIDED THAT such decisions and resolutions are recorded in the minutes of the monthly meetings;
3.  Quorum: how about at least 50% of the membership. The reason being that 3 is only 30% of a 9 member committee. If the committee is 7 then you require 4 for a quorum. I am loath to support a 'miniority' rules situation.
I have not considered what might be missing so I may well come back for second bite at this!
Cheers Jo
-----Original Message----- From: Koha [mailto:koha-bounces@lists.katipo.co.nz] On Behalf Of Brendan Gallagher Sent: Wednesday, 17 June 2015 9:33 a.m. To: Mirko Tietgen Cc: <mailto:koha@lists.katipo.co.nz>koha@lists.katipo.co.nz Subject: Re: [Koha] Koha Fundraising Committee Draft Terms of Reference
Great anyone have more thoughts?
BTW nothing has been done "behind the scenes"... All discussions have been posted to the mailing lists and talked about and presented at conferences / hackfests. Nothing has or will be hidden. I just want to make sure that we're clear on that :)
Has anyone reviewed the document at all? And there was no push to get the bylaws voted on at the last meeting because we fell short of a long enough review period (but since we had finished the doc we wanted to make sure it was available for some discussion at the general meeting)... Not to vote on.
Mirko we need more volunteers - are you willing to help here? You have good opinions.
Thanks, Brendan
On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 10:42 AM, Mirko Tietgen < <mailto:mirko@abunchofthings.net>mirko@abunchofthings.net> wrote:
I don't know how to say this without stepping on anyone's toes, but I think this discussion is taking a problematic direction. I don't think it is good to tie the general discussion and decision on all things fundraising to the personal situation of people that may be funded once all is settled.
I refuse to agree I »have put somebody in a difficult situation«
because I opposed voting on things that were made public on very short notice before meetings. I was not informed I was discussing anyone's situation. A situation I knew nothing about.
It seems like behind the scenes it has already been agreed to 1) put money into the fund 2) pay somebody with that money
so I have a simple proposal for the parties involved. Please consider contracting people directly until the fundraising stuff is actually up and running and everybody is happy.
Hope that does not anger anyone,
Mirko
PS. Yes, I would like to see Jonathan continue his fine work on Koha. Just to make that clear.
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